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CZ 457 Synthetic American or a Scout?

8.1K views 35 replies 17 participants last post by  KrzHorse  
#1 ·
I saw a CZ 457 Synthetic American at my LGS this weekend. I think CZ has finally offered a reasonable configuration for small game hunting. A relatively short and light rifle for a 457. I looked up the specs at it is 4" shorter barrel and almost a pound lighter (or 3/4) than the standard American. Not real pretty, not super light, but seems well proportioned. Probably as close as I can get to a hunting carbine unless someone offers an alternative adult stock for the Scout. The scout is 5 pounds with wood. Even with little extra LOP a wood scout could come in at 5 1/4. Beauty and practical. But no 22mag in the Scout. Kills that idea. For now, the Syn Am looks like the best option. And that is ready to go, out of the box.

If I had the money to spare and a needed another woods gun, this offering looks good. Or is there any option for slim adult size stock for the scout? That Synthetic American had a real good feel to it. I have a concern is with an added scope how would it be them?

Below is a cut & paste, from CZUSA webpage. Had I seen a 22mag, I might have resorted to plastic. I also gave some casual thought to cutting the barrel to 18 on my lathe. It might not look right. The synthetic stock is still a bit long in the forearm for a carbine barrel.

Anyone think this stock should have a monty carlo or higher cheek support? That would be ideal for offhand. For hunting or silhouette (which mimics hunting) a higher comb would help. I think.
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#3 ·
Thank you for the reply. For my taste the American stocks are to long up front and bulky for a scout barrel. The LUX is also long and heavy stock but worse yet optimized for open sights. Kind of a deal breaker, I need some kind of magnum, preferably 22. It is so close, but so far away.

I struggle to understand CZ steadfast refusal to offer an adult hunting rimfire carbine like the old 527 Carbine center fire. That aside this new Synth Amer feels very good in hand (with out any scope). Really quite good.
 
#4 ·
I own a 457 American Synthetic with an Athlon 6-24x50 FFP scope used primarily for squirrel hunting and it does a great job. It took a little time testing for a really accurate load from what I had on hand which yielded Norma Tac-22 Subsonic to be the most accurate. I also added a LimbSaver Harmonic Dampener which I adjusted while sighting in (shown on target below) to get the groups even tighter, ymmv.

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#5 · (Edited)
I see you made good use of the threaded barrel. I would go with a plain barrel and lighter scope, but there is no arguing with your excellent results. That device really works! It hurts to change my opinion - but I may have to consider that Limb Saver device. At the least a toy for time at the club. That picture is pretty dramatic. I dont have a threaded barrel, rimfire. Is this an excuse to buy more guns?

Edit: No excuse! I did not understand the damper design. it is s slip fit rubber device. I just added to my Midway basket for the next order. Just to play with .... Ten bucks.
 
#6 · (Edited)
I replaced the factory bbl on my 457 American with a Shilen ratchet in their #5 contour after giving up on ever getting the OEM bbl to shoot accurately. The #5 contour has a 1.220" dia shank that's 3" long, which I parted off. I then turned the radiused transition portion down to tenon diameter (around .805" IIRC), and chambered it with my EPS reamer, cut the extractor slots on the mill, and finished the bbl at just a hair under 24". The slightly larger overall diameter of the Shilen added 1/2lb over the previous weight with the OEM bbl. With a 30mm tube Athlon Midas Tac 6-24x50 scope mounted in aluminum TPS TSR rings on a BScar 25MOA rail, the finished rifle weighs 9lbs, compared to the 8.25lbs that the Anschutz 1712 with a Leupold VX-II 6-18x40 scope in the photo weighs. I think that the Turkish walnut that CZ uses is more dense than the walnut on the Anschutz; the 1712 also has a bbl that's 21.5" long, and weighed 6.3lbs w/o scope. I really like the looks of the Anschutz - the stock shape, grain, & color are very attractive to me. But the CZ is more comfortable to me in offhand, and I shoot it better in that position than I do the Anschutz - that may also be due in part to the 2lb+ break on the Anschutz 2-stage trigger, compared to a very crisp 1.2lb break for the 457's trigger. They both print very nice groups off the bench, but the CZ's feeding, extraction, and ejection is 100% smooth & reliable, whereas the Anschutz is a work in progress where ejection is concerned. If I were hunting, I'd do my best to take advantage of any sort of rest I could find to insure a clean kill, passing up any shot where I didn't have good confidence of good shot placement, and either of these two rifles would probably be fine - can't say more than that with confidence, as I've been shooting the CZ for several years, but only recently bought the Anschutz, and have shot mainly off the bench with it while testing ammo to find what it likes. I like 'em both quite a lot, though the 457 & its Shilen bbl & bigger scope might not suit your needs worth a hoot.

From looking at the CZ457 synthetic stock, I think it'd feel pretty good in offhand or other limited support positions, so the extra power of 22 WRM is that important to you, you could always look to CZ for a 22 WRM conversion kit from CZ USA for it...

ETA - Even though I went to great pains to insure that the threads I cut on the Shilen's muzzle were concentric to the bore, I've yet to shoot any of my custom barreled 22RF repeaters with either my Spectre II or 22TD suppressors without getting slightly larger groups than w/o suppressor mounted. The effect the extra mass of a suppressor on the muzzle has had a negative effect on the harmonics of all the bbls. I've tested. The only time it didn't was when I tested a Vudoo V22 with a borrowed adjustable suppressor mount that acts as a tuner. Considering the $200 price of that tuner/mount, I just decided not to shoot matches suppressed. It's not worth the risk of missing small targets at 200-300yds - at least, not to me.
 

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#8 · (Edited)
I replaced the factory bbl on my 457 American with a Shilen ratchet in their #5 contour after giving up on ever getting the OEM bbl to shoot accurately. The #5 contour has a 1.220" dia shank that's 3" long, which I parted off. I then turned the radiused transition portion down to tenon diameter (around .805" IIRC), and chambered it with my EPS reamer, cut the extractor slots on the mill, and finished the bbl at just a hair under 24". The slightly larger overall diameter of the Shilen added 1/2lb over the previous weight with the OEM bbl. With a 30mm tube Athlon Midas Tac 6-24x50 scope mounted in aluminum TPS TSR rings on a BScar 25MOA rail, the finished rifle weighs 9lbs, compared to the 8.25lbs that the Anschutz 1712 with a Leupold VX-II 6-18x40 scope in the photo weighs. I think that the Turkish walnut that CZ uses is more dense than the walnut on the Anschutz; the 1712 also has a bbl that's 21.5" long, and weighed 6.3lbs w/o scope. I really like the looks of the Anschutz - the stock shape, grain, & color are very attractive to me. But the CZ is more comfortable to me in offhand, and I shoot it better in that position than I do the Anschutz - that may also be due in part to the 2lb+ break on the Anschutz 2-stage trigger, compared to a very crisp 1.2lb break for the 457's trigger. They both print very nice groups off the bench, but the CZ's feeding, extraction, and ejection is 100% smooth & reliable, whereas the Anschutz is a work in progress where ejection is concerned. If I were hunting, I'd do my best to take advantage of any sort of rest I could find to insure a clean kill, passing up any shot where I didn't have good confidence of good shot placement, and either of these two rifles would probably be fine - can't say more than that with confidence, as I've been shooting the CZ for several years, but only recently bought the Anschutz, and have shot mainly off the bench with it while testing ammo to find what it likes. I like 'em both quite a lot, though the 457 & its Shilen bbl & bigger scope might not suit your needs worth a hoot.

From looking at the CZ457 synthetic stock, I think it'd feel pretty good in offhand or other limited support positions, so the extra power of 22 WRM is that important to you, you could always look to CZ for a 22 WRM conversion kit from CZ USA for it...
That is two beautiful guns which I do believe offer you great performance. You did a lot of work with the CZ. I did less, too swap a stainless Lilja on my 455. I have some heavy rimfires. I enjoy those shooting at the club. Anschutz, Winchester and CZ my trifecta. I am also hunting with a Ruger Rimfire American carbine. I would not swap one for the other. I really like my 527's CF. One short light carbine and other in a hvy Varmint configuration. Again, they are not interchangeable in use.
 
#7 · (Edited)
Now I am really irritated. This is just stupid!! Why does CZ do this? They offered a synthetic 452 with a stock that actually looks good and had an elevated comb. It could still be a bit higher. Anyone remember this? I am at a loss for words, trying to keep it civil and at the moment .... I better stop typing.


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#10 ·
CZ used that same stock on the 452 Styles (satin nickel finished) as well as blued versions which i think they called the Silhouette model.

I took one of those stocks off of a 452style, and stuck it on a 452american in .17mach2...made for a nice light woodswalking squirrel rifle that shoulders well & is comfy for offhand shooting. The grip is also contoured nicely , and feels good in the hand; forends are slender, which i much prefer on my sporters.

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#11 ·
Flatlander, Another beauty! Very nice. Now I really feel sick. Having old school CZ and then loosing her. Heart breaking.

I too loved the 527 and dearly miss that offering. In a strange twist of fate, I see more and more 'interesting' mini rounds. The 762x39 and 6.5G were both tempting. Given time, I probably would have tried one or both. Now there is 350 legend and 450BM in the AR family. As a deer rifle, I like heavy for caliber rounds, but if I cannot have that then I will settle for heavy. If the 527 was still offered, I expect I would grab another of those two heavies, if ever offered. I dont remotely 'need' anything but I like to have some excuse. I would try a 450 but my preference would be a bit harsh for most shooters. That 350 throws 200 grains of lead. Just right? Or for some jurisdictions, just right. I googled that 6mm RAT and it is another hot round.

For me, part of the appeal of these AR rounds was they were developed to run with AR length barrels. Dropping one in a 527 carbine did not sacrifice much. A longer barrel would just be a bonus.

Where does it end? There was so much promise and CZ just dumps the whole family.
 
#16 ·
CZ had a real winner in the 527 Kevlar Varmint w/HS Precision stock. Then poof, gone and replaced with a cockamamie hideous looking contraption that nobody I've ever talked to felt any positive reaction to. I have had a coup[le of the original Kevlar Varmints, gave one away to a nephew who was in love with it and traded a guy out of a stock and put it on my 17 Hornet Varmint. Nobody who has ever looked at or picked either of them up has expressed any negative reaction to either, quite the opposite. Usually they say they want one just like it.

Why CZ does this is an enigma to me.
 
#30 ·
I'd like to see CZ offer a Synthetic 457 with a 16.5 inch medium threaded barrel or even a heavy, I sort of did one in .17m2 with a Lothar Walther .17m2 18 inch stainless threaded barrel.

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Gerald,

I had to make 2 of them, I took 2 CZ 457 Varmints At-Ones, with 16.5 threaded barrels and relocated the Varmint barreled action into the Synthetic stocks
 
#32 ·
I have the 457 Synthetic in 22WMR. I topped it with a Burris 3-9x40 with medium rings. The comb height works out perfect for that setup.

I make full use out of the threaded barrel and run it suppressed. Although it obviously cracks the sound barrier, it's way quieter to the ears. I had to prove it to myself one day and there was a big difference especially around reflective structure such as trees.