I think by now, we all know Ruger CS can 'copy & paste'. :bthumb:

 

Yes, that is the standard response to the complaints about plastic.

There is also a standard reply for requests for LH firearms. It goes something like "keep checking our website for exciting new products" and mentions neither specific products, concepts, or time frames for these wonderful new inventions.

 

Are the plastic triggers on every model including the Target version?

 

I want my Glocks to be plastic and my Rugers metal! (but I'm not sure why....)

 

I know why. Because that is the way it's "supposed" to be. Just like walnut-and-blued steel M1As, blued steel 1911s, mirror-polished S&Ws, and things of the sort.

 

I have a question...

I have two of the older model 10-22's with the metal triggers, but, has anyone had any problems with the newer "plastic" triggers. Or is it just the thought of a "plastic" trigger that bothers everyone. If there are no problems that can be a result of the new triggers, what is the complaints..

Dave

 

I have a question...

I have two of the older model 10-22's with the metal triggers, but, has anyone had any problems with the newer "plastic" triggers. Or is it just the thought of a "plastic" trigger that bothers everyone. If there are no problems that can be a result of the new triggers, what is the complaints..

Dave

My new DSP has a plastic trigger and i t works fine, cn see no problem.

 

The three I have tried have been CRAP. Easy to pick up the rifle by the trigger and not set it off. Long gritty trigger pull as well.

Last week I rebuilt one with an adjustable sear, Power hammer (have not been able to get a VQ trigger for over 6 weeks) and polished internals. The is STILL a major hitch in the pull. I will work on it again tomorrow to see if I can get rid on that w/o changing any more components. It seems to me the plastic trigger is "dragging" on the plastic housing. I'll know more tomorrow.

 

I was going to say...can't the trigger assembly just be replaced if somebody is unhappy with plastic? Seems most every other part of the Ruger 10/22 is replaced sooner or later with an after market product of some sort. Just asking.

 

yup even the Target models have the plastic.

Wish I was a Mod. so I could delete every new thread complaining about plastic trigger groups.

and yup, Kidd trigger will fix this "problem"

 

...Wish I was a Mod. so I could delete every new thread complaining about plastic trigger groups...

Like you say 'if you don't like them, don't buy one' if these bother you so much, don't read them. The single reason I don't read the "Ultimates" section at all because I tired of noobs slapping on a new barrel and a new stock and calling them Ultimates.

Life's too short, brother!

 

If you were a "mod" you would not be allowed to delete those threads nor should you. They break no rules here and "Mods" can not delete threads that do not break rules.

That is not how it works at RFC.

 

well its annoying as hell either way.

Something about seeing the same complaint 10x/ week...

consider this my rant.

 

or more, I say if you do not want one then don't guy one. My local smith reworked the one on my DSP and the gun shoots fine or maybe I am not that particular??????

 

Rant Considered..

Next..

 

I contacted Ruger customer support regarding this plastic parts, as I was interested as to their reasoning for making the change. here is my letter, and the responce.

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Hello!

I'm a fan of Ruger, and own a few of your rifles. the 10/22 is a fine product, and for years you have sold it at a very resonable price. The rifle has a large following, including entire websites basically dedicated to it. With the change of the trigger housings to plastic, as well as the barrel band, you are recieving a lot of bad reviews on some of the forums I have gone to. You may want to reconsider this change, and perhaps raise the price a bit instead...

Nick

Response:
The new trigger group of the Ruger 10/22 carbine features injection molded components of high tech polymer for an improved product with closer manufacturing tolerances. The firearm is as reliable and, because the color is incorporated into the polymer of the injection molded components, the finish will never wear off due to normal use or unexpected abrasion. Also, the heat stabilized, glass filled polymer will withstand impacts that would bend or even break the die cast aluminum parts previously used in America's most popular rimfire autoloading carbines. Overall, we feel that these new components are just one example of our efforts to produce high quality firearms at an excellent value.

*****

Plastic isn't always bad - however, I still wish they went back to aluminum

You have to laugh at that last line just a little bit.

"Here, look at all the effort we put into polishing this turd. It's just one example of our efforts. You should like it because of the "effort" we put into it."

Maybe Ruger is blowing some high tech glass filled polymer smoke up someone's

 

Squirt guns are plastic.

 

Just how much strength is required for a trigger mechanism, it does not take and great stress. I am not a youngster, probably older than most of the guys on this forum, have worked as an engineer, machinist and a service tech on high performance 2 and 4 stroke vehicles and I see no problems with my DSP. It is shooting close to 1/4 centers at 25 yard and other than the trigger the gun is stock except for a plastic e foam pressure pad at the forend. Do not know what the coating is on the receiver but it don't look bad and the barrel is Parkerized jut like my SA Loaded 1911.

 

One of he problems that are becoming all too apparent from posts here is that these new trigger groups are effecting the trigger weight (pressure needed to fire). I have seen reports of from 6 to 9 pounds. I very much doubt you would find that problem with the metal ones. Another complaint I have seen here is that the trigger actually flexes and I'm damned sure that you wouldn't have that problem with a metal trigger. The other problem I see is, (with all due respect to your engineering experience) that injection molded parts no matter how good will not meet the same tolerances that machined metal parts will.

just as an afterthought, I too have experience as a machinist and have worked in the mechanical field for some 40 years. I have background in the manufacturing of robotics, CNC Machinery and currently work as a repair technician for one of the largest aircraft warning instrument companies in the world. So you See have some expertise to back up my opinions not to mention that my dad (now deceased)was a professional gunsmith for over 30 years.

Say what you will, Plastic (no matter what it's called) will not be as tight or wear as well as Metal. The only advantage it has is that it weighs less.

 

I contacted Ruger customer support regarding this plastic parts, as I was interested as to their reasoning for making the change. here is my letter, and the responce.

**********

Hello!

I'm a fan of Ruger, and own a few of your rifles. the 10/22 is a fine product, and for years you have sold it at a very resonable price. The rifle has a large following, including entire websites basically dedicated to it. With the change of the trigger housings to plastic, as well as the barrel band, you are recieving a lot of bad reviews on some of the forums I have gone to. You may want to reconsider this change, and perhaps raise the price a bit instead...

Nick

Response:
The new trigger group of the Ruger 10/22 carbine features injection molded components of high tech polymer for an improved product with closer manufacturing tolerances. The firearm is as reliable and, because the color is incorporated into the polymer of the injection molded components, the finish will never wear off due to normal use or unexpected abrasion. Also, the heat stabilized, glass filled polymer will withstand impacts that would bend or even break the die cast aluminum parts previously used in America's most popular rimfire autoloading carbines. Overall, we feel that these new components are just one example of our efforts to produce high quality firearms at an excellent value.

*****

Plastic isn't always bad - however, I still wish they went back to aluminum

So this explains why all the little nicks and marks in my trigger assembly turn white, or in the case of the receiver it exposes the aluminum. It doesn't even take much to wear the finish off, just an ejected shell, or a little scratch from the stock when reassembling is all it takes. And to top it off, to wear the bluing off my barrel all I had to do was touch it, when I took it apart, the barrel was scratched up all along were ever the barrel and stock would touch. My brothers didn't have this problem though, but his receiver scratches just as easily as mine.

*EDIT*

I'm going to an addition to my post. My trigger guard may be aluminum but it's difficult to tell, I don't see any exposed metal through any of the scratches

 

i just bought a new 10-22 the trigger pull was right at nine pounds with my elec. gauge you cant even begin to shoot it good very dissapointing

 

Right on, dads_addiction..........you hit that one right on the head.

 

Mrcarcrazy, ther is a lot of truth in your words,if you don't like one don't buy one or change the trigger and throw the plastic one away, Yes it is not metal qand Yes it seems to work fine. Formula One and Indy cars are made of plastic and they take a lot more stress that the trigger on a 10/22 ever will. My guns are sometimes altered to my own particular likes, told once that by altering them I would destroy the value, told the Youngster "It is my gun and I will most likely never sell it, so after I amd deaqd aqnd gone I do not reqally care of what it's value is. I did not buy them as showpieces to impress anyone, I just shoot them and enjoy.Old menspeak their minds a lot.

 

Like I mentioned above most people seem to be changing the trigger assembly anyway. What's the big deal? It is what it is at this point. That is how the gun is going to be manufactured. Case closed.

And I agree the personal attacks in this thread are really out of line. The man is clearly entitled to voice his opinion.

Mrcarcrazy's point is well taken. If you don't like the product don't buy it. Complaining and hating on Ruger isn't gonna do you one single bit of good.

 

Like I mentioned above most people seem to be changing the trigger assembly anyway. What's the big deal? It is what it is at this point. That is how the gun is going to be manufactured. Case closed.

Not everyone is changing the triggers out. It might seem that way because of the activity that goes on here. You have to remember that A LOT of 10/22 owners are not on this forum, and have never considered modifying their 10/22 at all. My father has 3 of them and if you asked him if he was going to turn one of them into an ultimate he would look at you and politely ask "Ulitimate what?". (He has a way with words)

"It is what it is at this point"... a lot of folks aren't ready to just roll over and say good bye to the quality they have grown fond of. The "case" is never closed.

And I agree the personal attacks in this thread are really out of line. The man is clearly entitled to voice his opinion.

Mrcarcrazy's point is well taken. If you don't like the product don't buy it. Complaining and hating on Ruger isn't gonna do you one single bit of good.

Actually... "hating on Ruger" can be effective. Manufactures do listen to the market. They listen to $$$ which is what the market brings them. WE are part of their market (only part), and when we come on here and discuss these matters it brings us together.

 

Discuss the topic, stop the personal attacks and insults all around, please.

 

I will try to stay on topic...as much as I want not to:
I like many others have bought many many older pre-tupperware 10/22's and have created some pretty out of the norm and interesting rifles with the platform that was once do-able...NOW IT IS NOT...for those just jumping into 10/22's and have never known any different than they now see it's a no-biggie.."pretty good stuff", "can't be all bad", "good enough for me", "wow..this is cool", "just like my Glock" and the list of comments goes on and on. Go ahead and argue the pros and cons..and for you Tupperware Lovers I present this: Taps is being played in the distance

 

My friends, it is not just the "external plastic panels" in a modern single-seat racing car that are made of composite materials, it is the very "tub" itself - the monocoque - which is sure and by golly a structural part of the automobile. That said, that material and the material of which the new Ruger trigger housings are made have almost nil in common with each other.

 

Right in both respects but the plastic trigger works, at least mine does.

 

Comparing Injection Molded trigger housing that sells for $14 or something to a carbon fiber Formula One ANYTHING is perhaps the biggest joke and bit of silliness I have seen on this site in 4 years.

You either do not understand Formula One/injection molding or you are being very disingenuous.

I spent 27 years in Injection Molding. I have followed F1 and their construction methods for much longer than that. Let me assure you the two have not a SINGLE thing in common.

 

Comparing Injection Molded trigger housing that sells for $14 or something to a carbon fiber Formula One ANYTHING is perhaps the biggest joke and bit of silliness I have seen on this site in 4 years.

You either do not understand Formula One/injection molding or you are being very disingenuous.

I spent 27 years in Injection Molding. I have followed F1 and their construction methods for much longer than that. Let me assure you the two have not a SINGLE thing in common.

Cheers... that is what I was getting at. Some how you say it mo'bettah.

I figured someone would come back with the "carbon fiber brake rotors" or "carbon tube suspension components"... you just can't compare billions of dollars of R&D to a P.I.M. trigger/housing.

 

Got one....swapped it out

I have one gun which came with the "new" trigger housing. It's a Charger. I installed a VQ hammer in it and attempted to install a VQ mag release while I had it apart. There is no problem with the function of the factory mag release. I just think it looks cheesy. The VQ hammer made no obvious improvement. I don't have a trigger gauge but I do have several 10/22s with VQ hammers and this one did not improve. There was inadequate clearance to install the VQ mag release. Finding the "new" trigger (even with the above-mentioned hammer) to be well the other side of sorry, I swapped in a complete trigger assembly from another gun. This one has had exactly the same treatment plus a auto-bolt release mod. The Charger is now a very pleasant gun to shoot and pretty accurate. :bthumb:

Whether or not the issue is plactic vs. metal housing, I don't know and don't care. The reality is the plastic-housed trigger assembly is sad and did not improve as expected from what I consider standard mods. Maybe, hopefully, some of the sharper guys here will come up with mods to improve the "new" trigger. In the meantime, I think it's the solution to a problem that didn't exist.

DRob

 

I installed a VQ hammer in it and attempted to install a VQ mag release while I had it apart. There is no problem with the function of the factory mag release. I just think it looks cheesy. The VQ hammer made no obvious improvement. I don't have a trigger gauge but I do have several 10/22s with VQ hammers and this one did not improve. There was inadequate clearance to install the VQ mag release.
DRob

My findings exactly,

I have two of the new plastic trigger housings to play with and a plethora of Volquartsen, Power Custom and mod-ed factory parts. I've had every intention on doing a lot of testing this summer but lack of time slowed the different set-ups and fitting.

Your right on about the aftermarket mag releases. The pocket in the alloy housings measure .500 and the new plastics are .475 = new releases will have to be made to function properly in these housings or you will have to hand fit them.

Like you, I have only set-up and fitted the Volquartsen parts on one so for. On every alloy housing I've done just replacing the hammer brought the pull weight down to a AVG. of 2 lbs. consistantly. Installed on the plastic housings the drop was significant....if you consider going from a AVG. pull wight of 6 to 9lbs stock to Avg. of 4 - 4 1/2lbs with a hammer and sear swap. In addition, the pull weight is all over the scale (no pun intended) ten pulls would produce 3lbs, 5lbs down to 2lbs back up to 4lbs and as low as 1lbs...you get the idea. The only explanation I can find is the housing flexing at the rear under the weight of the hammer spring compressing and results in the sear engaging the hook on the hammer at different points each time. This also makes for very unpredictable and dangerous trigger, lots of take up and creep one pull then the next could be tripped with a small breeze!

When time allows, I will work up each one every which way possible and also subject them to different temperatures/conditions and really see whats what.

In all honesty, every time I look at them I lose motivation to get this done