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Choke for cci shotshells?

4.7K views 75 replies 31 participants last post by  Horsefly  
#1 ·
Yesterday I did something silly but that actually sparked and idea....

I was outside my shop and this big ole bee kept flying near me and hovering in front of me and sometimes almost flying into me. So yea, I walked in my shop and grabbe a 10/22 I have setup for cci shotshells. The receiver and bolt are both 3d printed. If he was further than 5 or 6 feet from me, i didn't hit him. I imagine the spread was too much... really rendering this ammo almost useless except at almost point blank range. On the third shot when he flew right at me, I obliterated him. Which made me think. on a threaded barrel, I could possibly make a screw on choke. I thought about trying an aluminum first and if its successful, I can make it out of stainless. What's your thoughts on this? I need to do some reading on choke design.
 
#6 ·
When I was a kid Ted Trueblood, an outdoor magazine writer, did a review when the Winchester Model 62A smoothbore was introduced. His quarry fit in an empty .22 cartridge box and consisted of a few grasshoppers. He didn't know the daily bag limit on them. LOL It was a very funny article. I found it on line and posted it on a forum, but I can't remember where and I can't find it now. I have killed rats using a rifled barrel Model 62A.
 
#3 ·
I have and have fired 22LR shotshells and they are IMO worthless..
I have graduated to making my own 357 and 44 Mag shot shells.
Here is one procedure:
 

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#4 ·
You may look to a Paul Harrell video for some thoughts on this. He made a video showing a Rossi Judge rifle that had a thread on adapter supplied with the rifle for use with shotgun shells. It appeared to be a straightener more than a choke, I guess the idea was that the rifling in the barrel caused the shot to be spread out radially and this adapter helped mitigate that some. He shows the adapter and demonstrates its effectiveness, might be a start for some ideas.
 
#5 ·
3d print yourself a choke first, and see if it works...

admittedly, back in the day I fired quite a few rounds of .410 out of my 10" vent ribbed/choked Contender .45 Colt/.410 barrel at clay birds (off of the Trius trap thrower in the back yard) with friends, but I've never fooled around much with any of the commercially available rounds from CCI...the cost of a box of .410 shells was bad enough, without splurging for those little boxes of snakeshot.. :(
 
#8 ·
If the rifle is set up for shot shells, bore out the barrel. The rifling spins the shot and makes a donut pattern. A screw on smooth bore tube might help realign the shot. Interesting thought. I have one that came with my Tacsol SBX barrel as a dummy suppressor that I am not using. Maybe next time I go to the range if I think of it.
 
#11 ·
Well from what I understand, having or making a smooth bore is illegal? Silly if you ask me. But whatever.

I figured I could make a 1" or so long add on piece that slightly tapered down and it would tighten up the spread.

What would I use it for? Lol.... not much. Small snakes, mice, rats and.....bees... it would also reduce collateral damage when i shoot a mouse or something in my shed. Right now, they are pretty much useless past about 5-7 feet. I guess when i get around to this project, I'll post some before and after patterns just for kicks, whether I'm successful or not.
 
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Thanks
 
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#16 ·
Way back in the day, I believe one of the companies sold a smooth bore 22lr and targets for the .22lr shot shells.
I'd say rifling and shot don't go well together. Very short range to shoot a mouse/rat/snake at point blank range, maybe.
 
#17 ·
About the weird smooth bore law. How are the Mossberg shockwave shotguns legal? I don’t own one, but seen them advertised. Barrel looks really short with a straight pistol grip.
 
#19 ·
As a comparison of (maybe weird) barrel length performance, I was having trouble with a small flying pest and grabbed my shotshell 22rf pistol, a 2.25" barreled Ruger SP101 that I keep around for such jobs, dashed around the corner of the house and managed to get 1 shot at 8-10 feet. The pest dropped like a rock and lay there, on the ground, quivering a little, so I killed it with a second shot as I stood over it. Ammo was the same as your situation, CCI shot shells.
 
#20 ·
The Mossberg shockwave isn't a shotgun. Since it has no stock or pistol grip and a short barrel it's classified as a "firearm." Check your state and local laws they may still be illegal where you live.

There was also made a Remington Model 572 BDL Smoothbore .22 Caliber Pump-Action Rifle designed to shoot crackers as skeet.
 
#24 ·
The CCI .22 LR shot shells are pretty wimpy, try the crimped brass ones. They are still super short range but still capable of taking out a bee, I have killed barn rats the up to the size of squirrels at 8 feet and under.
 
#25 ·
Years ago I saw smoothbore liners advertised for .22 rifles. Not sure anyone is making them these days. You would think somebody could market a simple single shot bolt action in .22 Smoothbore for a reasonable utility rifle price. Say $150.
 
#29 ·
Out of sheer curiosity, I whipped up a choke this evening to try out. It was a bust, then then it wasn’t. I didn’t want to go too small and risk blowing something up so I only tapered it down .020. It may have helped just a tad, but I learned a few things. Number one is it didn’t blow up. Number two, I got a good taper on it so no bb’s appear to be getting caught. I’m gonna make another one at .020 smaller and see how it goes.

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#32 ·
Out of sheer curiosity, I whipped up a choke this evening to try out. It was a bust, then then it wasn’t. I didn’t want to go too small and risk blowing something up so I only tapered it down .020. It may have helped just a tad, but I learned a few things. Number one is it didn’t blow up. Number two, I got a good taper on it so no bb’s appear to be getting caught. I’m gonna make another one at .020 smaller and see how it goes.

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That’s cool that you have the machinery to make that. I’d bet you could make a nice linear compensator.
 
#33 ·
I’ve killed several in the past with daisy BB gun. Shot a rat in the face a couple years ago with a pellet gun. He did a barrel roll slinging blood everywhere. Had to get the mop out on that one.
 
#49 ·
This is the solution.

The rifling is the problem.

My childhood Model 68 Winchester was used for years by my dad to kill gophers in the back yard. He could kill them at ten to 15 yards with .22 shot shells.

He thought the rifling was worn out...........actually it was just filled in...........making it a smoothbore.

After I got it back I did some deep cleaning and..........lo and behold...........nice sharp rifling appeared.

It shoots normal ammo fine now.

But I suspect any .22 could be made a smoothbore simply by not cleaning it and shooting cheap lead bullets.
 
#34 ·
With your mad machine skills, I'd like to see you un-rifle a trashed 10/22 barrel and cut it to 18" I'd imagine just having a smooth bore would be 90+% of the issue
 
#36 ·
Hmmmmmm.....now thats an idea. And very doable. I just don't have any trashed barrels at the moment. I could actually make chokes for it too that screw in like in a shotgun. Now you got me thinking.
 
#42 · (Edited)
An Archangel QBD stock turns a standard 10-22 into a take down. They work very well. It allows you to easily interchange barrels so you could have a rifled barrel and a smoothbore barrel. Smoothbore barrels have to be 18" to be legal so the standard 18.5" 10-22 barrels would work perfectly.
I just gave my QBD 10-22 to my grandson's wife. Gave him my accurized SS 10-22. He was shooting it a lot better than I can. Early inheritance. I will turn 84 shortly. I need to put name tags on my guns.
 
#51 ·
thx, have a dedicated shotshell gun for rats and snakes already though. It even has a big yellow piece of tape on it that has a warning to not shoot regular ammo in it should I somehow forget.
 
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ElGamo made a 22cal barrel cocking smooth bore air rifle for awhile. With a local Walmart remodeling they cleared them all out. I stocked up on birdshot shells and a rifle. The plastic shells are reloadable as well if I could just find my stockpile. At a 1000fps it shoots quite well with pellets as well at 25yards. Likely choked but don’t recall shooting much shot through it. Will have to load up some shells and pattern it. Who knows may show up to shoot Spirting Clays this Saturday with it.
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#46 ·
Oh what fun boo haha. Picked up a spent large rifle primer off the floor, hmm perfect diameter for my base wad. Nine #5 shot drop in the air rifle shotshell and sealed with candle wax. Twenty foot pattern on the old leaky water heater nobody will carry up the stairs. Wicked!
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#52 ·
Now curiosity has me wanting to buy some .22 shot shells and shoot them at a pattern board. Also out of curiosity I decided to look up some specs on CCI shot shells. CCI lists them as being 31grains with a shot size of #12. #12 shot is roughly 0.053" diameter and in lead about 0.25grains per pellet. This would mean there's ~(31/0.25)=124 pellets per shell. That's roughly 1/3 of the amount of #8s in a 1oz shell.
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