Looking at a Jager AP-74 but I've never heard anything about this AR-15 clone or Jager as a brand until now.
Can anyone tell me anything about them?
Thanks
Can anyone tell me anything about them?
Thanks
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I had one years ago,sold it and regret selling now,it was for me a reliable,and accurate rifle,I in particular liked the sights,it seemed to have fewer jam problems(very few) than various friends 10/22's,it having been out of production for quite a while,have heard parts are hard to come by now,and that there have been firing pin problems.mine survived on a diet of mostly stingers,in retrospect likely not the best thing for it,but it never gave me any trouble,others may know more about it now,but that was my experiance with it.
long nap?
iirc they along with some other "famous military" clones were brought in by Mitchell.
They were available in 3 calibers and iirc, a "carbine" version.
I have a couple of the ARs clones, but they havent been out.
Mags are rare like Kriptonite.
iirc they along with some other "famous military" clones were brought in by Mitchell.
They were available in 3 calibers and iirc, a "carbine" version.
I have a couple of the ARs clones, but they havent been out.
Mags are rare like Kriptonite.
Not sure of models numbers v caliber but heard them called by jager, adler, jaeger and mitchell arms. They were made in 22LR, 22Mag and .32acp. The 32 is rare but is costly and costly to shot compared to the 22's. They are rare to find NIB
Heard only issues were firing pins but take it to heart because some people do the no-no dry fire thingy.
Sorry, don't know how they shoot/feed cause mine never were shot yet by me.
Heard only issues were firing pins but take it to heart because some people do the no-no dry fire thingy.
Sorry, don't know how they shoot/feed cause mine never were shot yet by me.
Jager made several different .22 caliber assault rifle look alikes back in the 1980's. They were made in Italy and imported by Mitchel. Most of these rifles I see now days usually look well used.
The AP74 came in carbine and full length. The full length also came with wooden stocks on the deluxe version.
I use to own a deluxe version in like new condition and wasn't that impressed with it. It looked like it was made of cheap materials that won't last under a lot of use. Spare magazines are also hard to find and expensive if you do find them. Spare parts are even harder to find.
I sold mine after building a dedicated AR15 .22 upper and never looked back. A real AR15 in .22 is much better made and has a lot of options for customizing it.
The AP74 came in carbine and full length. The full length also came with wooden stocks on the deluxe version.
I use to own a deluxe version in like new condition and wasn't that impressed with it. It looked like it was made of cheap materials that won't last under a lot of use. Spare magazines are also hard to find and expensive if you do find them. Spare parts are even harder to find.
I sold mine after building a dedicated AR15 .22 upper and never looked back. A real AR15 in .22 is much better made and has a lot of options for customizing it.
No their mags were straight. They had mags straight because of the fake m-16 looking magwell profile that only had a tiny hole cut out under for them to be inserted.
Those are for something else, look like 25 or 30 rds, most of these only took 10rds.
Those are for something else, look like 25 or 30 rds, most of these only took 10rds.
As is those will fit the AP-80 (AK-22), AP-84 (FAMAS style rifle).
There are cosmetically correct mags that have a metal housing around them, but on the inside it's the same as you have pictured and will function as is.
That housing isn't for a Ruger 10/22 at least I don't think there was such a mag adapter like that, but it looks like a mag for the PPS, Bingham LTD .22 rifle.
Those are hard to find and in today's market will bring some good money :gun4:
There are cosmetically correct mags that have a metal housing around them, but on the inside it's the same as you have pictured and will function as is.
That housing isn't for a Ruger 10/22 at least I don't think there was such a mag adapter like that, but it looks like a mag for the PPS, Bingham LTD .22 rifle.
Those are hard to find and in today's market will bring some good money :gun4:
Jaeger AP74
Jaeger
Jaeger was one of the names of Mr. Armando Piscetta firm, a gun maker in Northern Italy (but not in the gun district of Brescia). His firm names were (not in order) Adler, Jaeger, Nuova Jaeger. Nuova Jaeger is still in business (see www.nuovajager.it) and mainly imports/demilitarizes military guns for the civil market, but is no longer runned by Mr. Piscetta, due to his old age.
Some comment abour firm history
In the seventies, Piscetta made nice .22 LR (and 7.65ACP) copies of M16, AK47, Galil and perhaps FAS assault rifles. A pity that he stopped this kind of business I believe in the eighties.
AP74 versions and related comments
Among the used gun offers of some italian shops, I saw several version of the AP74. Probably the oldest has 3-prong flash hider and triangular handguard (like mine), but I saw also bird-cage flash hiders and even a collapsible stock version. There were also 7.65ACP versions, versions with wood stock, short barrel versions.
All versions are not functional replicas of the M16, the hold open and magazine releases are in different positions, and the magazine is inserted into a dummy magazine integral with the lower receiver. The oldest version does not have the forward assist button, the same, but not abolutely sure, the newer versions.
Some internals appears also to be different, mostly the bolt shape (bolt in Numrich drawings is 'new' shape).
The M16 handguard scope adapters appears to fit, not sure about other accessories (it's not a 15-22...).
It disassembles very easily (loose the front pin chicago screw, take out the back pin with some tool, open action, remove charging handle then bolt). The recoil spring is hold inside a tube in the butt stock, and requires butt stock disassembly (just 2 screws) to be accessed.
Receivers are in some alum alloy, and are painted/anodized black. Barrell is screwed in the upper receiver.
The magazine holds 15 rounds, can easily be disassembled, and, in my gun, does not drop free when pushing the release. A small screw in the follower, that enables the bolt hold open, may be used as aid in lowering the follower while loading rounds.
My AP74
I bought my AP74 .22LR in the mid-seventies, shot it for a year, then shelved it until 2010, when I restarted shooting. I stored it well lubed, so it was not harmed by the long time it spent unused.
It came with one magazine, a multifunction tool mainly intended for sight tuning, nylon web sling and a black canvas rifle case, cartoon box and a clear manual.
Reliability
It was jamming prone, and still is after too many rounds to be able to invoke break-in as excuse. It seems to like to be shot around 30-50 rounds dirt - less stoppages. I usually load magazine with 5 rounds, and a such magazine with no jams is rare. Tipically, it jams with the spent case trapped between breech and bolt, with a live round in the chamber.
It is impossible to load a round slowly cycling the action, the round gets trapped between bolt and the upper edge of the chamber. Leaving the bolt go home under recoil spring action, as when live fire, the round gets loaded, but if extracted the ball has a clear mark when it impacted the chamber edge. This more with Fiocchi than with CCV SV, probably due to the more pointed ogive.
For some reasons, I get less jammings when shooting offhand than when shooting from a rest/bag.
I had also issues with the hold open lever, which in my gun appears to be too soft and with a too small bolt engagement surface. I am also concerned with the play it may develop in the upper-lower receiver mating surfaces, so I limit disassemblies ferociously, and do routine clean from the ejection opening with Patchworm.
I cannot comment about the firing pin (finger crossing here) because I never intentionally dry fire it.
Accuracy (me and my AP74)
With Fiocchi Maxac and CCI SV it groups on average 2in at 50m, but once in a century it is capable of going down to 1in. This latter using every shooting skill I am capable but out of a not-so-stable rest, with a 4x scope of less-than-desirable quality.
Sling tension moves POI by a significan amount (let's say 2in or more at 50m).
Suggestion
If you want it, buy it. In Italy, an used AP74 goes from 190 to almost 300 euros, depending on model and status.
If you want an M16 clone, and not really the AP74, go for a gun of current production.
Hoping this helps
Blackhabu
Jaeger
Jaeger was one of the names of Mr. Armando Piscetta firm, a gun maker in Northern Italy (but not in the gun district of Brescia). His firm names were (not in order) Adler, Jaeger, Nuova Jaeger. Nuova Jaeger is still in business (see www.nuovajager.it) and mainly imports/demilitarizes military guns for the civil market, but is no longer runned by Mr. Piscetta, due to his old age.
Some comment abour firm history
In the seventies, Piscetta made nice .22 LR (and 7.65ACP) copies of M16, AK47, Galil and perhaps FAS assault rifles. A pity that he stopped this kind of business I believe in the eighties.
AP74 versions and related comments
Among the used gun offers of some italian shops, I saw several version of the AP74. Probably the oldest has 3-prong flash hider and triangular handguard (like mine), but I saw also bird-cage flash hiders and even a collapsible stock version. There were also 7.65ACP versions, versions with wood stock, short barrel versions.
All versions are not functional replicas of the M16, the hold open and magazine releases are in different positions, and the magazine is inserted into a dummy magazine integral with the lower receiver. The oldest version does not have the forward assist button, the same, but not abolutely sure, the newer versions.
Some internals appears also to be different, mostly the bolt shape (bolt in Numrich drawings is 'new' shape).
The M16 handguard scope adapters appears to fit, not sure about other accessories (it's not a 15-22...).
It disassembles very easily (loose the front pin chicago screw, take out the back pin with some tool, open action, remove charging handle then bolt). The recoil spring is hold inside a tube in the butt stock, and requires butt stock disassembly (just 2 screws) to be accessed.
Receivers are in some alum alloy, and are painted/anodized black. Barrell is screwed in the upper receiver.
The magazine holds 15 rounds, can easily be disassembled, and, in my gun, does not drop free when pushing the release. A small screw in the follower, that enables the bolt hold open, may be used as aid in lowering the follower while loading rounds.
My AP74
I bought my AP74 .22LR in the mid-seventies, shot it for a year, then shelved it until 2010, when I restarted shooting. I stored it well lubed, so it was not harmed by the long time it spent unused.
It came with one magazine, a multifunction tool mainly intended for sight tuning, nylon web sling and a black canvas rifle case, cartoon box and a clear manual.
Reliability
It was jamming prone, and still is after too many rounds to be able to invoke break-in as excuse. It seems to like to be shot around 30-50 rounds dirt - less stoppages. I usually load magazine with 5 rounds, and a such magazine with no jams is rare. Tipically, it jams with the spent case trapped between breech and bolt, with a live round in the chamber.
It is impossible to load a round slowly cycling the action, the round gets trapped between bolt and the upper edge of the chamber. Leaving the bolt go home under recoil spring action, as when live fire, the round gets loaded, but if extracted the ball has a clear mark when it impacted the chamber edge. This more with Fiocchi than with CCV SV, probably due to the more pointed ogive.
For some reasons, I get less jammings when shooting offhand than when shooting from a rest/bag.
I had also issues with the hold open lever, which in my gun appears to be too soft and with a too small bolt engagement surface. I am also concerned with the play it may develop in the upper-lower receiver mating surfaces, so I limit disassemblies ferociously, and do routine clean from the ejection opening with Patchworm.
I cannot comment about the firing pin (finger crossing here) because I never intentionally dry fire it.
Accuracy (me and my AP74)
With Fiocchi Maxac and CCI SV it groups on average 2in at 50m, but once in a century it is capable of going down to 1in. This latter using every shooting skill I am capable but out of a not-so-stable rest, with a 4x scope of less-than-desirable quality.
Sling tension moves POI by a significan amount (let's say 2in or more at 50m).
Suggestion
If you want it, buy it. In Italy, an used AP74 goes from 190 to almost 300 euros, depending on model and status.
If you want an M16 clone, and not really the AP74, go for a gun of current production.
Hoping this helps
Blackhabu
First post but this one has me intrigued....
I have an early production one with the flip safety rather than the push button safety. Had to make a replacement firing pin for mineas the original tip was broken off. Finish was badly worn so I resprayed it after stripping the original paint with alumahyde @ in colt gray. shot this group with it w cci blazers 2 week ago w a red dot sight(generic walmart brand BSA) @ 50 yds
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I have an early production one with the flip safety rather than the push button safety. Had to make a replacement firing pin for mineas the original tip was broken off. Finish was badly worn so I resprayed it after stripping the original paint with alumahyde @ in colt gray. shot this group with it w cci blazers 2 week ago w a red dot sight(generic walmart brand BSA) @ 50 yds
The mag you show can't fit the commando rifle or others if they have that fake mag attached to the rifle mag well. Those rifles need straight shape mags to fit.
The mag I showed fits ap 80-84-85, but not the 74...
The AO 22 requires an ejector tab on the rear of he left feedlip.
The AO 22 requires an ejector tab on the rear of he left feedlip.
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