I looked at one at the Shot Show and thought it was a nice scope...the A/O goes down to 7 yards IIRC but indoors and well lighted its hard to tell how it would be in the field...there are plenty of members here who have this scope and will chime in very soon.


I was on a mission to check out every brand of scope that was there. Too many to list. I also checked out how the turrets were: soft, mushy or nice strong positive clicks. How big the oculars were...too many of them were huge and would not fit on my CZ rifles without high or very high rings.

Signalman

 

I looked at one at the Shot Show and thought it was a nice scope...the A/O goes down to 7 yards IIRC but indoors and well lighted its hard to tell how it would be in the field...there are plenty of members here who have this scope and will chime in very soon.

I was on a mission to check out every brand of scope that was there. Too many to list. I also checked out how the turrets were: soft, mushy or nice strong positive clicks. How big the oculars were...too many of them were huge and would not fit on my CZ rifles without high or very high rings.

Signalman

It is down to a Weaver and this Burris Signalman. Im playing hookie from work today. In order to go check out scopes at the local Cabelas. Im dragging the Mach 2 in with me, in order to make an educated decision.

 

I have one on a CZ Lux in WMR that I use around the farm for pest control. In my experience, the optics are not quiet what the Leupolds have, and I also have several of the Leupold 2X7s to compare to. The windage and elevation adjustments can be manipulate with the fingers but are a bit mushy feeling on mine......though they seem to work well. No issues with the adjustable objective. The eye relief is fairly generous, but my impression is that they have a bit more limited field of view.



That's my impression....... a decent scope for the price.

 

I've owned the Timberline for a long time. Many scopes have come and gone over the years but this one remains. Most of my rifles are sporters and I don't like hanging huge scopes on them just for a moderate amount of magnification. The glass is very good, the AO works as it should, the turrets are finger adjustable and have a coin slot as well for people who are all thumbs. It's comparable to my Leupold 3-9 EFR scopes in size and weight though not the equal glass wise, but with more power. I've never had a single problem with it though it is covered by the Burris "Forever" waranty. For the price, I think they are very good scopes.

 

Thanks Ray :bthumb:

Signalman

 

Armtx,
I sent you an email, if you are interested.

Glen H

 

Glen, I didnt see a PM from you. My inbox appears to have enough space to receive one though.

 

Hey Armtx sir you might want to keep the Leupold brand you like.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/3...product/329516/leupold-vx-freedom-efr-rifle-scope-3-9x33mm-duplex-reticle-matte

might get lucky and see one at Cabelas.

SM

Edit: Armtx sir I would still like to have more power than just a 3-9 that is why I bought so many 4-16x scopes...4x for those chasing rabbit shots and 16x for that up close and personal touch on paper or game when needed. Cabelas has lots of scopes to look at don't be in a big rush...this new scope your about to buy will last your life time. the only thing is it has to have a A/O or side focus so you can still use it ten years from now.

 

Hey Armtx sir you might want to keep the Leupold brand you like.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/3...product/329516/leupold-vx-freedom-efr-rifle-scope-3-9x33mm-duplex-reticle-matte

might get lucky and see one at Cabelas.

SM

Edit: Armtx sir I would still like to have more power than just a 3-9 that is why I bought so many 4-16x scopes...4x for those chasing rabbit shots and 16x for that up close and personal touch on paper or game when needed. Cabelas has lots of scopes to look at don't be in a big rush...this new scope your about to buy will last your life time. the only thing is it has to have a A/O or side focus so you can still use it ten years from now.

I am a self admitted Leuy fan boy and Cabelas had that exact scope. So, I got a chance to handle it and IMO, the Freedom line feels cheap, looks cheap and are priced accordingly(not neccesairly a bad thing)...it was a huge dissapoint, for a fan boy like me.

With that being said, I went back to Cabelas in the evening to look through scopes at twilight and the Leuy was the best of the 3, that are in the front running. It is just the chunky,blocky look of it that is really turning me off. It is going on a CZ 452 American...I know it is silly, but I want the scope, to have the same clean lines as the rifle.

Never had scope issues before, but thinking back on some of those long shots made on squirrels with the 7x power. I rembere telling myself that having more magnification power, would have been nice.

 

I have the Burris. I find it to be a great scope. I use it for hunting. Just remember that it is a 32 and not a 42 and at 14x it can get a little touchy. Once you use it some you won't notice. It is on a CZ right now. I like the overall size. It is NOT a junk scope and it is one that I will keep! IMO when you are talking about quality firearms why ruin that with a cheap scope. Just me.

 

bucko sir quick question...how do you like the reticle in your scope...I looked at so many scopes at the Shot Show I can't remember what it looks like thickness wise...is it normal or a littler thinner ?? I like medium size reticles nothing too thin or too thick.

thanks :bthumb:

Signalman

 

-Clarity of the optics through the power ranges.
-The turrets, they appear to be slotted for a coin, but reviews say they are easily manipulated with your fingers.
-Eye relief seems generous. Does anyone have any issues with having to mount it more forward than usual and than getting a fuzzy picture at higher magnification?
-What are your thoughts on the AO...easy to adjust...hard to see the markings...etc?
-For those of you who have hunted low light situations...how did it transmit light?

Keep in mind that scope was originally part of Burris' "Short Mag" line of scopes that it later renamed "Timberline." This is important because the original intent of the design was to provide a rugged, compact scope with very generous eye relief to keep that ocular away from your eyebrow. That necessarily means a narrow field of view and a limited "eye box," making eye placement more critical than most scopes, especially at 14x. I've owned three or four, because they represent the most magnification in the smallest available package, the light transmission was very good, and the scope focuses down to 10 yards or so, but that narrow FOV and twitchy eye box were too much for me on a rimfire rifle, so they all went down the road. At some point, production of the Short Mag (Timberline) shifted from the US to the Philippines, but I had both and could tell no difference in quality.

The adjustments were more vague than I would like, and the A.O. was a little stiff as I recall, but those would be minor points for me. Mostly, that blinking of the view was the killer. I don't recall having any issues with forward mounting.

I hope this helps.

TBR

 

TBR sir you are correct there are very few scopes above the 14x magnification that are very short...heck even most 3-9x scopes are about 12" long. the Weaver Grand Slam 4-16x is 11.5" long and what I use on my CZ rifles with tangent sights and has a side focus down to 25 yards.



Signalman

 

armtx sir I know what you mean...just like new cars...each couple of years they get uglier and it make me upset that companies think they need to change...just like my brand of scopes they are changing also...and it make me mad that reticles they have had for years are gone now.

I like Leupold scopes they are one of the best out there but I really don't care for their reticles...There is a old saying "if it ain't broke don't fix it". Well that did not happen. If scope makers want to change something replace the box it comes in. put some stripes on the box or an American flag. What ever...but leave our scopes alone. :cuss:


Sorry this hit a nerve. I will calm down now.


Signalman