Anyone?

Has anyone had a Beyer barreled 10/22 that shot 0.5" at 50yds?

Has anyone had a Beyer barreled 10/22 that did not shoot 0.5" at 50yds and you're sure the issue was with the barrel?

 

Well after 2 threads asking questions on 2 different barrels over a period of 5 months, zero responses. I'm not sure where these manufacturers barrels end up, but apparently not in the possession of RFC members who are willing to share their experience.

Good shooting all - guess I'll work it out for myself.

 

Don't feel bad, Paul. I've seen next to no information here re Beyer barrels (other than an occasional question or mention), so it seems there are very few folks here who have one or know much about them.

Doug

 

Paul,

The Beyer CF barrel can shoot right around half inch groups at 47yards off sandbags. It was the lightest barrel sold in the USA at the time. The rifle is under 4pounds so it rarely sees sandbags and quality ammo. The CF barrel isn’t on his website and has been listed as out of stock for over a year when I check Brownells. No experience with his Aluminum barrels. The Kidd heavy barrel will outshoot the Beyer CF.

 

Beyer 10/22 Barrels

Listed in the sticky "Aftermarket 10/22 Barrels?" page 2 post #20. I'm with Doug... just don't hear much about them, they seem to specialize in the ultra lightweight .920 bull barrels. If you get one, post a review here on RFC! ...... AH

https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=777313&page=2

 

Thanks for the replies guys. If I get one I'll review it, but in the absence of other information I'll wait for the manufacturer to get back to me before committing. After my last barrel - once bitten, twice shy!
I wasn't aware that Beyer ever did CF sleeved barrels though - I'd seen no mention of that anywhere else. Interesting.

 

Get the Kidd. It has the accuracy guarantee that you're looking for or chance getting "bitten" again. I realize it's twice the money but do you really want the hassle of returning another dud barrel? Good luck

 

KID Option for you.......

If you're willing to give up some of the light weight, I suggest this.......

A Kidd 10" Charger Barrel. You could order it threaded and add a nice looking compensator to add a bit more length.

Kidd's comp's are 2" long. Not sure the length of Volquartsen's or others, but with a little snooping around, you might be able to find something that's right for you.

:bthumb:

I've been thinking of doing a SBR with a KIDD Charger barrel & a Volq. front blow comp. mounted in a shortened Evolution style stock. I mocked one up a couple of months ago & the look was really sexy!

 

I've been thinking of doing a SBR with a KIDD Charger barrel & a Volq. front blow comp. mounted in a shortened Evolution style stock. I mocked one up a couple of months ago & the look was really sexy!

Sounds like a useful setup to me :bthumb:

 

Along that line, Brownells may be able to special order the Beyer aluminum 10" threaded Charger barrel. That would save you the machining and recrown.

 

Good thoughts thanks, but unfortunately a 10" barrel is too short. Firstly that wouldn't clear the fore-end without stock modification, and more importantly it would put the overall length of the rifle below 30". Under NZ law that would be a no-no without the correct endorsements.

I did consider a VQ 12.375" charger barrel (threaded), but ran into a potential import problem. The charger is a pistol, therefore a charger barrel may be classified as a pistol part as it comes across the border (I'm not licenced for pistols), despite the fact that it also fits rifles and the rifle with the barrel fitted should be perfectly legal under a basic licence.

Do Brownells accommodate special orders? Have any of you had them source something not listed on their website? That would be a useful bit of information for me to file away.

For your interest, my 77/22 as fitted with the (now returned) 12.5" barrel and a suppressor:

 

I have no idea if SS exports but you might want to check them out:

https://www.stockysstocks.com/barrels/rimfire.html

I am pertaining to the aluminum Majestic 10/22 barrel, which is 14" long.

 

Thanks for the suggestion - I hadn't looked closely at those before. Their website says they won't ship barrels outside the US however, and even if they did the 'charger' classification might cause me issues at this end as I mentioned above.

At this stage it looks like it's between the Beyer and the 16.5" VQ THM, but if anyone has further suggestions I'm still listening.

 

Majestic barrels, as I recall, seem to have good reviews re accuracy.

 

https://www.brownells.com/.aspx/bapid=129/ClientPage/Special-Orders

I've never tried it. Here in the states we can call Beyer, Volquartsen, Kidd, Whistle Pig and have it shipped to the front door. Brownells is honest about not billing for backordered items until they're ready. My card was billed 4 weeks after the order and it shipped the next day.

 

That's good to know, thanks. Even if I don't end up trying the 'special order' feature this time around it might be of use in the future. I'll look over my options again with this in mind.
I've ordered from Brownells a handful of times previously, they've always been good to deal with.

 

You may not have too many choices with barrels, but I do wish our suppressor law was the same as yours, sir.

This seller had the same barrel and price not too long ago but for the 77/22:

https://1022racerifle.com/volquarts...olquartsen-ruger-10-22-22lr-1-9-twist-muzzle-weighted-stainless-tapered-barrel/

 

Watch the twist rate:
"Please note this barrel is 1:9 twist and is designed to shoot the Aguila 60 grain ammo only"

 

Mr Paul, Sorry I didn't see your post earlier, I met Mr. Clint Beyer at a Washington Arms Collector show. I had him make a barrel .920 fluted, threaded for my 77/22 with SK standard + or CCI SV without the spectre 2 can I can shoot 1/2" groups @ 50 yards. The can opens the group to minute of squirrel. He lives in Forks, Washington is a veteran and stands behind his products. He started his business by building 10/22 barrels. Give him a call, Pacific time. Good Luck, Notime2 :bthumb:

 

Thanks Notime2, I appreciate you sharing your experience. That's the kind of performance I was hoping to hear of. Interesting you're finding a marked change with the suppressor installed - do you think it is just a matter of harmonics?

I actually did give Mr Beyer a call yesterday. Nice guy to talk to - friendly and helpful. Careful not to over-promise on performance, but I think confident in the quality of the barrels he is producing.

At the moment I'm waiting for the import paperwork. If I can get that in hand coinciding with the barrels being back in stock at Brownells, I'll be ordering one. :bthumb:

 

I had one of the sporter profile lightweight barrels and it shot really well. I don’t really measure my groups but if they weren’t 1/2” they were very close. I think you would like the barrel.

Iron

 

Mr. Paul, From what I've seen especially with a rimfire suppressor it will change the harmonics no matter who makes the barrel, so for shooting paper I remove the can. For pleasure it's on, because it makes me smile BTW Would love to visit and fish some streams :bthumb: Notime2

 

Thanks iron85 - great to hear another positive experience.



As the barrel is responding to the suppressor, I wonder if you would have success in tuning the barrel by experimenting with spacer washers between the suppressor and barrel? As long as the spacer washers were parallel - it wouldn't take much of a taper across a poorly stamped washer to kick the suppressor out of line! It's something I've wondered about before, but haven't yet experimented with. With the suppressor I'm using I can add and remove baffles to change the mass and length.

You should definitely come over and visit NZ once the world is slightly more normal. I'm hoping to get out next week myself to do a bit more of this:

 

I owned a Beyer 16” lightweight sporter barrel. It could just barely shoot 1/2” groups at 50 with the right ammo. I think it is more difficult to shoot tiny groups with a 4 lb rifle vs a 8 lb rifle. It cycled all ammo great and customer service from Beyer was excellent. I had an early model that has a thin finish that was easily scratched. I sent it back to him and he refinished it for beautifully for free and threw in a free muzzle break.

 

I think RFC searching is difficult and doesn’t give great search results. I have better luck using google and limiting the search to RFC.

You can do this by typing the following into the address bar...

site:Rimfirecentral.com Beyer

 

I think RFC searching is difficult and doesn't give great search results. I have better luck using google and limiting the search to RFC.

You can do this by typing the following into the address bar...

site:Rimfirecentral.com Beyer

Thanks for the tip - it is a useful one to remember and one I use often. I find the worst is trying to use the RFC search engine on a model number.

I expect you're exactly right regarding shooting groups with a light rifle, and that's just the price you pay for the weight reduction. Sounds like a good outcome overall for you though.

 

These look nice too but backordered:

https://summit-precision.com/

The owner can cut the barrel to any length for an extra $40.

His barrel blanks are all 18.5" in length.

 

Paul,

First off, that Ruger 77/22 of yours is just gorgeous, nice work.

I've got three Beyer barrels right now. a custom length charger 8-inch barrel, the idea being to just clear the forend, a 0.750" (at the muzzle) and a 0.920" (that is on my adult son's 10-22). The Charger and My son's 0.920" barrels are both set up with red dot sights on a No-Dak receiver sight rail.

I had a Beyer Sporter configuration barrel (muzzle dia. 0.600"?), but sold it as the POI change from going suppressed/unsuppressed was something like 5 inches. Had no issues with wild POI change with my other Beyer barrels, and now I just never shoot them without a suppressor.

Far from the best testbed, my 10-22 is very light, the barrel is not bedded, had a 4X on it which I replaced with a 6X for this test, but it's a centerfire scope so parallax is set for 150 yards.

Out of Lapua Center-X and who knows with our self-inflicted ammo shortage when it will be back in stock. I found a box of Wolf MT in my stash. I have had very good results with Wolf MT in the past, but the last brick I bought was the worst Wolf MT I have ever shot. CCI Standard Velocity is pretty good, but not as consistent as match ammunition.

I tried posting this a couple of days ago with just one group and just before I loaded the pictures my computer choked. So I figured I would shoot a couple more groups, which would be more representative. Also decided to shoot it side X side with my CZ 452.

Shot with my 10-22 Beyer 0.750" barrel at 50 yards The squares are one inch and the group measurements are with a caliper and are CTC. The one picture has the CZ groups on the right and the 10-22 on the left. The vertical stringing of the Wolf MT is probably from my 10-22 not being bedded (on light rifles I use downward pressure on the scope to keep the rifle sitting firmly in the bags).

The CZ is bedded & has a 2-7X scope. I did not season the barrel (by shooting a few magazines of this ammo prior to the test) and the first shot with the CCI SV was to the right (could have just been a flyer due to the ammo, or gasp! just me?).

If light was my highest priority I would go with the Beyer barrel, If accuracy were my highest priority I would go with a Kidd (Walther) barrel.

Jerry


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Jerry, thank you for your detailed post! I greatly appreciate the obvious effort you've gone to.

I would be happy with the performance you show with 2 out of the 3 groups with the Beyer-barreled 10/22, although certainly something was going on with the Wolf MT group. Given the limitations you mention regarding scope and rifle weight etc. I think your shooting with CCI SV is excellent.

That 77/22 of mine has quite a long and checkered history. It actually came from the factory as a 77/17m2, and the story of my trials and tribulations of getting it to shoot well as a .17m2 is a long one. Among other things I went through 3 different barrels (original factory, aftermarket, and custom) and all sorts of other avenues. For instance, I wonder whether anyone else in the world has a Ruger 77 rimfire with Borden Bumps installed on the bolt? Anyway, after being a .17m2 I had the last barrel re-chambered to .17HMR - with which it shoots very well. But I have a custom Anschutz .17HMR in the works, and don't need two HMR's. What I can find a use for is a short, handy .22 hunting gun and hunting/training/target gun for my daughters to shoot with. Hence the focus on light weight and why the stock is now fitted with a thin plastic buttplate instead of the usual thicker rubber pad.

It looks like chances are good that a Beyer barrel will give me the level of performance I'm looking for. The barrel shown in the photo would shoot 1" 5-shot groups at 50m only with the ammo it liked best (RWS Target Rifle), and I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for better than that. This was with a tested, bedded rifle, 2 different scopes (Leupold VX2 2-7x33 w/ 50m parallax-free and VX3i 4.5-14x40 w/ 100m parallax-free), a good rest, good conditions, Eley/SK/RWS/CCI ammunition etc.

Good or bad, I'll be sure to report back how this works out one I have the new barrel fitted and tested.

 

And forgive the off-topic post, but for the interest of Notime2 I did manage to get out to the river earlier today:

I showed my daughter before filleting it. She asked where I shot it

 

Awesome. Where or what state are you in!
Beautiful work

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Thanks. Central North Island, New Zealand.

 

Mr. Paul, That brown is a beauty. :bthumb: Great photo, makes me hungry. Did you tie the orange fly? Sorry to take this off topic. Our fisheries are in a mess, that's why I went to the darkside and started shooting rifles... Notime2

 

No need to apologize, I took this off topic and not you. Happy for the diversion, though I suppose if anyone does want to continue discussing fishing in depth we should probably move that to one of the other subforums.

No, I didn't tie that particular fly. With more hobbies than time, I find it money well spent to buy most of my flies. That's a cicada imitation from here: https://www.stusflyshop.com/browse-by-fly/dry-flies/cicada/stus-deadly-cicadahi-viz-tan/ The orange is the post only, which can be useful when fishing a nymph underneath. I did build the rod from a kit though, so I suppose I 'tied' something in the picture.

Sorry to hear about your fisheries. Hopefully it's a temporary 'mess' only.