What are you using the scope for?

 

50 and 100 yard target shooting. From the bench.

 

I have the Arken ELP-4 not sure about the other one

 

Same here. It’s a great scope, you really do have to spend a lot of money to get something better

 

Hawke, Element, Blackhound too many to choose from Meopta is another.
Let's see, give it a minute and more will come to mind.
Watch the one eyed guy from Texas.
Think he's a pretty honest guy on YT.

 

Cyclops is the one eyed guy . And he does seem to do honest reviews

 

I don't have a discovery scope, but I do have an arken elp-4 and a vortex diamondback tactical. Both are 6-24x50. The vortex has turrets that are a little mushy compared to the arken. The diamondback has a much more forgiving eye box. The focus/ parallax is better on the vortex also. I like the arken, but like the vortex more. I am not a vortex fan as this is my first vortex scope.

 

Thanks for the advice.

 

The arken EP-5 5-25X56 FFP it’s a bit bulkier than the SH. I’m using it for everything. I don’t go over
20x no need to. I can see my hits at 200 yards on paper, that’s a plus. I can’t justify a $2500 Leupold any more, I would like to but nah.
Shoot Mini-Palma at my club a lot.

 

I have 3 Discover Scopes, good enough for the price. Arken, NO NO NO. Just my experiences

 

I own both those scopes. The Discovery is a LARGE scope. Bigger than the SH4J.
The glass seems similar to my eyes. Maybe a tad better in the Discovery.
I do like them both for the price. The Athlons are good also at this price!
JMHO!

 

Thank you sir.

 

I bought an Arken 6X24X50 and it was clear even on full power 24x but it had something on the glass on the inside looked like tiny bubbles made in the glass and didnt notice it unless it was on full power or close to full power so i contacted Arken and they offered to fix or replace it and i told them i wanted a refund and i sent it back and bought another brand i buy it to use now not try another and hope it works they are not wasting my time anymore

 

At least they offered to make it right.

 

I can't help the OP on those scope choices other than I was looking at the SH4j for a bit. It's enticing. But the more I researched the FFP vs SFP scopes and compared it to what type of shooting I was doing... FFP just didn't make sense to me for shooting groups at a known distance. Shooting steel plates at varying distances... yeah FFP would probably be my choice.

Anyway, I ditched the idea of arken and ended up with a Sightron S-TAC 4-20x50 with the MOA 2 reticle, which is SFP...for me, it suited my purpose and budget well and, I believe, money better spent than on an arken.

 

Yes sir they did and i liked the scope but i needed one to use and not have to wait any longer . I might try another one at some point

I watch a lot of the guntubers on YouTube and they all speak very favorably of the Arken scopes. Of course for the price they won’t be as good as the high end ones, but they say they do everything well and they track more precisely than the ones costing many times more. I really won’t be using one for long range shooting. Just 25-100 yards. But I need the extra magnification because of the extremely small aiming points.

He's referring to the fact that, most people that shoot ARA shoot at near max magnification. With a FFP scope, the reticle size, at near max magnification, covers up a lot of the bullseye. I would bet that you could ask 100 people that shoot RFBR seriously and not find anyone using a FFP scope. I have never seen anyone with one other than the guys that show up once in a blue moon to shoot. It is a challenging game under the best conditions, using a FFP scope just makes it harder.

I appreciate your advice. I’m totally new to the 22lr bench rest shooting game. The guys I follow on YouTube use FFP scopes that have a small dot in the middle of the reticle and the reticle itself is very fine even on max magnification. These are 5-25x56 power scopes. Unless you’re shooting out past 200 yards 16x -20x is the highest magnification you would use which would give a small reticle. With the dot being by itself in the center, the rest of the target is plainly visible. I’ll have to check out a SFP scope and see how it works for me. Right now I’m using a Vortex Venom 5-25x56 on my son’s Ruger precision rimfire and It is extremely easy to get on target. It’s a FFP.

 

I watch a lot of the guntubers on YouTube and they all speak very favorably of the Arken scopes. Of course for the price they won’t be as good as the high end ones, but they say they do everything well and they track more precisely than the ones costing many times more. I really won’t be using one for long range shooting. Just 25-100 yards. But I need the extra magnification because of the extremely small aiming points.

I appreciate your advice. I’m totally new to the 22lr bench rest shooting game. The guys I follow on YouTube use FFP scopes that have a small dot in the middle of the reticle and the reticle itself is very fine even on max magnification. These are 5-25x56 power scopes. Unless you’re shooting out past 200 yards 16x -20x is the highest magnification you would use which would give a small reticle. With the dot being by itself in the center, the rest of the target is plainly visible. I’ll have to check out a SFP scope and see how it works for me. Right now I’m using a Vortex Venom 5-25x56 on my son’s Ruger precision rimfire and It is extremely easy to get on target. It’s a FFP.

What SFP scopes are you guys using. I want what works best. Being I am learning I’m open to any suggestions.

 

I like the Simmons 22 Mag series scopes.

 

I’m sorry if I’m being a nuisance. My background is with open sights. Predominantly in the Army with an M60 and M16. Hundreds of thousands of rounds. So scopes are totally new to me. I’m here for the knowledge others have to pass on.

 

Dig deep and learn to use less magnification, equals much better Resolution.
No FFP for me, or mil this or that.
Not being a jerk but resolution beats mag every time when your aiming at a golf ball at 50 to a 100 yards.
Straight 4x Leupold. Done.

 

Dig deep and learn to use less magnification, equals much better Resolution.
No FFP for me, or mil this or that.
Not being a jerk but resolution beats mag every time when your aiming at a golf ball at 50 to a 100 yards.
Straight 4x Leupold. Done. View attachment 558891

Are you talking to me?

 

Not sure, just my two cents to the OP.
Thought he was on a bench at 50-100 yards. 4 power luepy works for me.
Sharp as a tack.
By the way hello.

 

Not sure, just my two cents to the OP.
Thought he was on a bench at 50-100 yards. 4 power luepy works for me.
Sharp as a tack.
By the way hello.

Hello to you. I do shoot more accurately with less magnification. Less perceived movement of the reticle.

 

None of my optics are first focal plane?
All moa.
Focus the diopter (reticle) and let's plink.
Here's a cheap SIG Whiskey 3-9x40.
Didn't want to ruin the paper and it was 10 above, blowing and snowing.
Cheap BCA 350L upper.
Maybe I'll learn to hold a weapon correctly some day if I ever meet some of you guys on here.

 

None of my optics are first focal plane?
All moa.
Focus the diopter (reticle) and let's plink.
Here's a cheap SIG Whiskey 3-9x40.
Didn't want to ruin the paper and it was 10 above, blowing and snowing.
Cheap BCA 350L upper.
Maybe I'll learn to hold a weapon correctly some day if I ever meet some of you guys on here. View attachment 558904 View attachment 558903

What are you even talking about? What do you mean by "None of my optics are first focal plane?"...I never said they were. "All moa."...ok...your point? "Maybe I'll learn to hold a weapon correctly some day if I ever meet some of you guys on here."....where was anything said about how to hold a weapon? It's like you are responding to a different conversation. You are weirding me out dude.

 

Nice setup. I have an Sig Buckmaster 3-9 SFP on a CVA Scout chambered in 35 Whelen. Just dialed it in today. The discipline I’m asking about now is 22lr such as ARA shooting. I got it confused with 22 PRS. I’m a newby so I’m kind of green. 😀 I would definitely want a FFP scope if I were shooting centerfire long range. But anything under 300 yards a SFP is fine. I want something that gives a good sight picture on a tiny target out to 100 or 200 yards. So I guess I had it turned around. Thanks for the advice. Is that a Springfield 2020 in the picture you posted?

 

Yes it is.
Sorry cavedweller29
To many confusing notifications.
I was referencing that the eyepiece gets larger and hides point of aim and gets so small some guys can't see the reticle on low power?
Don't know.
Im just following along.

 

I bought a Monstrum Hornet 4x16x50 scope for $119.99 they have a 6x24x50 for $169 on Amazon with MOA and MIL versions but i was impressed with quality vs price when the 4x16x50 came in the mail and i checked it out i ordered another one for another rifle. Its clear through all power levels comes with decent 30mm rings with built in bubble level ,zero stop turrets , 3" sunshade, flip up covers and xmas tree reticle, side focus and illuminated reticle that just lights center not the whole thing the only thing i didnt like is 1/4" per click adjustments the 6x24x50 has 1/8" per click but if you are on a tight budget i would check them out they have lifetime warranty also a friend of mine told me about them and for the price ive not found anything better

 

I have been looking at those myself. I’m really on the fence now because I was reviewing all the FFP scopes and found out that SFP is what I need. Very few SFP scopes actually have reviews. The consensus is that SFP scopes are cheaper than FFP, however, the ones I was recommended are actually more expensive. I guess I have some more digging to do.

 

The center dot on my Arken is .14moa this is the same thru all magnifications. I shoot .25" dots at 25 and 50 yds all the time. .25 inches is pretty darn close to 1/4 moa. I do agree most BR shooters use SFP scopes, also alot use fixed power scopes making an FFP worthless. I am pointing out you can BR shoot with a FFP and proper reticle .

 

The center dot on my Arken is .14moa this is the same thru all magnifications. I shoot .25" dots at 25 and 50 yds all the time. .25 inches is pretty darn close to 1/4 moa. I do agree most BR shooters use SFP scopes, also alot use fixed power scopes making an FFP worthless. I am pointing out you can BR shoot with a FFP and proper reticle .

I have been looking at the Arken SH4J. I just want to shoot for recreational purposes and will never actually compete. I looked into the SFP scopes that were recommended by a person who knows what they are talking about. They are more expensive than the Arken.

Just make sure You can live with the reticle.
SFP is best for target shooting provided the center dot is small.
Illumination is not vital but can be helpful sometimes.
I prefer my scope to come equipped with a sunshade. These can be very useful
when needed.
Good luck!
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I truly appreciate the help. It’s good to have someone else who knows what they are doing to lend a hand and advice.

 

If you don't like it, send it back and look elsewhere. I thought they were worth the gamble based on reviews and a friends purchase and still think they are.

 

They say most variable power scopes work best in the mid range. Looks like your good to go. Good luck with the journey.

 

Thank you buddy.

 

get the arkin very good scope, i have 4 of them they are great of the price and i am fixing to buy the 7x35x56

 

I've owned a ton of different scopes primarily used for target shooting including air rifle field target and 100 yd benchrest. My benchrest rifle has a Sightron S3 10-50 mounted on it, but I have another with an Arken 6-24 SHJ which works exceedingly well. Someone mentioned SFP vs FFP. My preference is SFP because the reticle doesn't change size with magnification. The Arkens are all FFP, but if you intend to use them at full magnification, then they are a good choice. I have 7 different Arkens of various models mounted on airguns and rimfires. They are excellent scopes and are better than many in the higher price ranges. You can't go wrong with the excellent optics.

 

I have an Arken 6-24 50. Bought for a 10/22 with some upgrades and needed optics better than my hunting scopes (Simmons 4x, Leopold 2-7x, Bushnell 4x) since my eyes are getting old. The Arken is rated pretty high for scopes under $1000, and I appreciate the mil dot reticle. I appreciate its
Not a squirrel rifle scope since it doesn’t focus under 20 yards or so, but above that it’s pretty good.

Ten shots at 25 yards CCI Minimags.

 

Sorry about the triple pics.

 

Hi. Although I'm an official OF, I've been shooting scoped rifles for more than 5 decades, so that experience does count for something. This is a LONG post.......

I have a LOT of newer scopes of all brands from Arken to high end Sightron Sllls.
First, I no longer compete or hunt, but I have 2 private ranges and can shoot any time I want.
Here's a list of my current inventory and choices....
4 Arken EP5s 5-25X56
1 Arken 7-35X56\
1 Arken SH4J
Several older Arken 6-24 models from when they first hit the scene
4 Discovery PRS Gen ll ED 5-25X56
1 Discovery PRS Gen l ED 5-25X56
1 Discovery 5-40 ED ELR meh
1 Orcair 5-25X56
4 CV Life 'Bear Swift' 5-25X56
1 (new) Vortex Strike Eagle 5-25X56 ($800) waste of $
2 DNT 5-25X56

Deciding what I like best is a difficult question. I'm a retired Engineer, so I look at performance/cost ratio for MY needs. I just punch paper and ring steel.

Don't judge Arken based on the older 6-24 models. They have constantly had the OEM upgrade the glass from Chinese to Japanese. Yes, you CAN tell the improvements.
All my Arkens are what I consider the 'standard' all others would be +/-.
I have a lot of older varmint rifles that have Vortex Viper 6.5-20X50 scopes which were the 'hot ticket' back then. They were pretty good, but recent optics have made a HUGE improvement!

My Choice? (in this mid-priced category)
If $ was of no concern, I would go DNT.
If budget factors in, the Discovery ED PRS Genll is my choice. I bought another yesterday!
Like a lot of 'reviewers'. I can honestly say the Discovery PRS scopes are actually BETTER than the Arken EP5 (Genl). Not just optically, but mechanically as well.
One downside? They are BIG, but I like big scopes.

I have been buying Discovery scopes for 30+ years and NEVER had a single issue, but the important thing to understand is that Discovery REALLY listens to feedback and customer reviews.
I take ALL 'free' scope reviews with a grain of salt. However, all 4 of the new Discovery PRS Genlls have seen a small (but significant) 'upgrade within the new Genll models.
The first ones came with 3 sunshades. They quickly dropped that.; Next, they added a rear 'flip up' cover instead of the silly rubber cap.
They recently changed the mag lever to the newer DNT/Arken style. See a thread there?
Lastly, the included rings, are the newer 'honed' type. Although the supplied 1.25" rings are fine for a AR-15, they are too high on a HB bolt action. However, Amazon allows you to select the scope with the ring height of your choice. I use the .97" (34mm) rings on all my bolt actions.

Bottom line.... It appears that a LOT of these brands come from the same OEM, despite some FALSE claims stating otherwise. I have proved this in my Amazon review of the Orcair 5-25X56.

Have fun, this is a wonderful time for the optics consumer.
ron

 

Thanks for the info. I was looking at the Discovery already.