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Discussion starter · #41 ·
So I think I can add three things to the discussion:

1) The case failures may be ammo dependent; hotter ammo with 40 grain loads causing more pressure and making it prone to rupture. Tomorrow I'm going to shoot more Browning where I can find the cases afterward, and anything else hot I can find (I don't have Stingers and don't think I have any Velocitor's...I don't think they shoot well and I primarily target shoot subsonics). Certainly Nevodany's Winchester rounds at 1300 were higher, and I don't know what Aguila ColonelHogan44 was using.
2) I don't think ColonelHogan44 said what barrel length he bought. If it's the 16", it may be that the longer barrel causes more pressure and hence makes it more rupture prone. Mine is the 10.5"
3) Temperature may indeed play a role; I shot today at 60F and it was only partially sunny.
I was using a 16" barrel and 38gr Aguila Superextra (1260fps), Orbea 40gr SV (1200 fps) and Orbea 40gr HV (1300 fps). The cases that ruptured were Aguila. The orbeas were all swollen.

Looks like everything 22 is on sale now -- I should request a refund and re-purchase the upper to expedite the process of getting one back out to the range.
 
Fired 30 more rounds through it. CCI Minimag 40 grains, Winchester HV 40 grains (1255 fps), and the Browning 40 grain from yesterday' recovered 25 cases, 9 CCI, 8 Winchester, 8 Browning. CCI and Winchester were bulge-less and 2/8 Browning cases showed mild bulging. temps were a little higher, about 70F at the time of shooting.

I'm guessing it's a combo of all three factors for you Hogan; longer barrel, hot ammo, and higher temps, all stressing that unsupported area.
 
I contacted BCA Friday afternoon. After some back and forth with some questions, I was told to send it in for replacement (or rebarrel...I'd be fine with that too). It's packaged up and ready to get shipped out tomorrow.

Mine is working pretty good so it was a tough one to send back, but in the long run it think it's the better, safer option.

It'll be a couple weeks before I can report what I get back from them, but I'll do an update when the time comes.

DW
 
I contacted BCA Friday afternoon. After some back and forth with some questions, I was told to send it in for replacement (or rebarrel...I'd be fine with that too). It's packaged up and ready to get shipped out tomorrow.

Mine is working pretty good so it was a tough one to send back, but in the long run it think it's the better, safer option.

It'll be a couple weeks before I can report what I get back from them, but I'll do an update when the time comes.

DW
Are they saying it's a manufacturing defect or it was designed that way?
 
Are they saying it's a manufacturing defect or it was designed that way?
The Rep didn't say one way or another. Because mine has been good for over 500 rounds, he thought it would have been fine, but asked for a picture of the chamber area to confirm. I sent a picture showing the unsupported chamber, he said send it in...which leads me to think it is a manufacturing error, not a design error as colonelhogan44 says.

DW
 
BCA expressed a replacement to me, and the chamber looks a lot better:

Colonel---That is good news that BCA has sent a replacement upper out to you, but that chamber entry chamfer still looks unnecessarily generous, even more so at the feed ramp itself. Methinks that this will still generate "ringed" cases just above the case rims, and a bulge at the feed ramp. Perhaps not enough to be an ongoing safety issue, but please post some pics of the fired cases when you get a chance. I'm very curious what they will look like.
 
Discussion starter · #52 ·
I have to agree with @Triggershoe . The chamfer looks way too big. Let us know if you get bulged cases with that barrel please.
I also agree -- by better I mean it doesn't have 0.050" completely unsupported. I'm also guessing there will be rings and some bulging at the ramp and I'll take photos of fired brass. I'll probably get out to the range on Sunday with it.
 
Some of the LW 17m2 barrels had a chamfer right at the feed ramp which was causing case bulges and/or case ruptures. That was on top of the changes that CMMG made to the barrel stub and collar lengths.
I remember that. I could never understand why they did that. They could have machined the breech just like the .22LR barrels and things would have been fine. The fallout from that mess is now you can't even get a .22LR AR barrel from them anymore.
 
I'm gonna tone this down, out of respect for a company (BCA) that is apparently family-owned and trying their best, however....

Based on the sometimes sub-par assembly and disappointing parts quality I have seen in BCA products, I would never buy something they designed in-house. In other words, if they screw up a proven design that numerous other companies like Colt, Bushmaster, Palmetto, Fulton, S&W, etc. can build just fine, why take a chance on stuff they come up with themselves? :unsure:

Be well gents.

(Edited to fix typo)
 
On the other hand, I have a second pistol-length WMR upper coming. The plan is for one to have a dot optic, and the second to have a variable scope. If this one works as well as the first two, I'll be quite happy.
 
Discussion starter · #60 · (Edited)
So took the replacement upper out for some range time. I did get case swelling as expected (moreso on HV than SV ammo), but no ruptures or malfunctions of any kind. Here are the cases:

Standard Velocity (minimal bulging)


High Velocity (consistent bulging to the full depth of the chamfer/feed ramp)


The stock pin (right) was a bit light on the imprints due to the huge footprint, so I modified the profile a bit (left):


Stock pin:


Modified pin:


The firing pin positioning seems to be quite a bit more towards the inside than the CMMG. I may cut the stock pin with a dremel to be a half-moon shape rather than the round pin profile. The round pin lit them all off without any issues, so it may be just fine too.
 
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