Hi there tmg, I have seen that rifle in Armscor website and been looking to purchase one last year. Called several dealers but none has them. If you search for Squires Bingham rifles, the bolts action are same as that M14y. There's one particular model that has the bolt lever located behind,farther back. That's the action I want cuz I plan to install another action screw in that area and have the rifle barrel floated. Just got a barrel from Numrich from a 1400 TS model which is a heavy barrel. Guess what, other side of barrel is marked High Standard Mfg. Co. ,Houston Texas "Sharpshooter " " 22LR! There's a thread in Misc Rifles, Sterling 1400 TS. I guess they are branded as Sterling rifles in Australia. So going back to the M14y, for that price, I'd like to acquire one if you can direct me to the store. Thanks in advance PS, they would be a handy truck rifle! I have one semi auto SB rifle at present and is fun to shoot, accurate too.

Noyp54

 

Thanks for the info. I'll do more research on the Squires Bingham and Sterling. I can see why these rifles would be available down under.

The store is Atwoods. Don't know if there are any Atwoods in your area, but you can check their website.

The stores close to me here in Mena and in Ft. Smith are both sold out.

I don't really NEED one of these; would just like to try one out. I think this is basically the same rifle I bought for my grandson several years ago.

I accidentally posted this in Open Rimfire. Realized it right after I did it. Thanks, administrator, for moving it.

 

That's a Stirling made in the Philippines. Very popular in Australia and NZ as a cheap fun shooter. I have the target version with heavy barrel and a nicer trigger which shoots like a dream(for the $)
The stock is some crappy timber that looks like fake wood but who cares? You buy these to shoot not look at!

 

The rifle that I looked at (before the sale and they were sold out) also had pretty crummy wood. The picture of the 14Y that RIA has on their website looks almost as good as a CZ. Kinda like frozen dinners that never are as good as the picture on the package.

I dug thru my gun receipts and found that it was indeed a 14Y that I got for my grandson 15 yrs. ago. Don't know what the price was back then, because I traded another gun for it.

 

A mate of mine has a 'Webley-Scott' m1500 which is the 22mag version rebranded to sound very English.
We actually thought the stock was fake plastic wood till he pulled off the stock and looked inside. Shoots pretty straight but the trigger fells like it's lubed with a bucket of sand...perhaps it can be polished up and made into a reasonable gun.

 

I have found that a good thing to do before buying a particular gun is to download the owner's manual and look through it, especially the exploded parts breakdown. The 14Y action looks similar to the Brazilian-made Mossberg 802, which I have and have improved its trigger, and is also a nice little plinking rifle.

I don't think it would be hard to improve the trigger on the 14Y by replacing the trigger spring with one that is lighter and doing a little polishing here and there.

Nice thing about buying inexpensive guns IMO is that they are a tinkerer's delight.

I have noticed that Sterling (or Stirling) and the various other names like Webley-Scott are indeed very English-sounding; smart marketing. :t

Looked up Armscor in the Standard Catalog of Firearms and found that they also made besides the 14Y:

14P w/ 23" bbl., 5-shot mag.
14D w/ checkered stock 1987 only
12Y single-shot w/ 18" bbl.
1400 22.5" bbl., 10-shot mag.
1500 .22 Mag, 22.5" bbl. (as you mentioned)
and various other military look a like semi's.

 

I did a search in Australia and they start around $340 here! Can't believe how cheap stuff is in the states, except Lithgow rifles, they are one thing cheaper here!

 

What is the exchange rate nowadays Dollar for Dollar?
That might explain the difference in prices.
Gabby

 

Went back to Atwoods today and they had received several more 14Y's so I bought one at the sale price. Below are my first observations about the rifle (not complaints.)

1. Barrel is threaded and comes with thread protector. Don't know yet what thread size/pitch. This surprised me.

2. Hooded bead front sight and simple open rear sight (not tangential) with elevator blade.

3. Stock wood is light-colored wood that looks like mahogany or balsa, but is well made with very close fit to barrel, receiver, butt plate, and trigger guard. No checkering. Plain forearm (not Schnabel like the one on their website).

4. No cocked striker indicator.

5. Trigger is very crisp at just under 4.5 lbs. About 3 lbs. of the trigger pull is the trigger spring. Trigger blade is narrow and could benefit from a trigger shoe.

6. The plastic trigger guard needs some of the flashing trimmed off.

7. Good fit of bolt to action.

8. Easy to single load with empty mag inserted.

10. I shot it a few times off the deck. Shoots and ejects quite well.

I really like this little gun. I think it is well made especially for the price. I plan to work on the trigger and maybe get it a little lighter, scope it, and make an adult-size stock w/ sling studs.

 

tmg, thanks for the info, will try Atwoods again and see if I can score one. Yup, enjoy shooting that rifle. But, mags are hard to come by and cost a more than other 22 rifles. Let us know about your planned trigger job.
Noyp54

 

I will closely guard the one mag. that I have. :t

As far as the trigger job, your post inspired me to bite the bullet and dig into it. Here's what I did.

Took the 14 Y barreled action out of the stock.

Moved safety off and removed the bolt.

Removed the front and rear screws that hold the trigger group to the receiver; nothing moved or went flying. According to the parts breakdown these two screws are different, so I kept track of which went where, although they both look the same to me. Next time I take them out, I'll measure them.

Removed the sear pin and removed the sear and spring. This is a 1/8" pin and is splined on the left end, so it must be driven out toward the left. And, of course, the sear is under pressure from the spring, so it must be restrained and gradually released. It should be obvious when you look at it, but the sear pin is the pin right in the middle of the top.

The trigger spring was then clearly visible and easily removed from the top. Found a much weaker trigger spring (looked like a ball point pen spring), installed it, and reassembled everything.

Trigger pull is now slightly less than 1.5 lbs. (was 4.5). Was planning to do a little polishing on the trigger and sear but for right now am going to hold off. Passed a bump test.

This was one of the easiest trigger jobs I've ever done. Liking this rifle more. Nice crisp, light trigger. :t :t :t

BTW, the trigger group housing is made of some kind of fiber-impregnated synthetic substance.

 

Hello everybody new here just wanted to say i bought one today and like it alot but one thing i dont really like is the fat front sight hard to get my sight align where I feel it should be to shoot true but other than that I do like the rifle a lot so far

 

May not be worth it but you can get mags for the model 14 in Australia pretty easy. $75 new but that's almost the price of a ratty rifle... plenty for sale at the moment since our government has announced an amnesty for unregistered guns to be handed in.

 

:yikes: Hate to hear about things like that. You have my sympathy.

It's probably beyond my capability, but I have thought about making my own mags. Another forum member made some for a different rifle. He used a 3D printer.

Another option would be to adapt mags. from a similar gun. There is a pawnshop near me that has a lot of miscellaneous old mags., even one from a Feather AT-22.

In other news, I mounted a 4X scope on my 14 and did a little shooting at about 15 yards with CCI SV. Groups were pretty good, but I need a better scope. May have to steal one off another one of my rifles. I have too many guns for the number of scopes that I have.

I painted an orange dot on the front sight and two white dots on the rear sight, so I may just take the 4X off and do some open-sight plinking to run a few rounds through it and break it in. I also opened up the rear sight notch with a round needle file.

I also whittled a trigger shoe out of some poplar wood and reinforced it with some JB Weld. Changes the trigger width from 3/16 to 7/16, which is much more comfortable even if it does look a little dorky. The shoe slides on from the left side and is just a friction fit (JB Weld made it a perfect fit.)

Can't decide whether to whittle out a new stock or just extend the existing stock. I am 6' 2", so the 12" trigger pull is a little short.

 

Doing some research, I found this site. Is this the M14Y magazine?

https://advancedtactical.com/products/magazines/Rock-Island-Armory-M1400-Magazine-10-rnd-22LR

 

From the Rock Island Arms/Armscor website FAQ's:

Where can I get magazines for my Rock Island Armory Firearm?
Factory magazines are available at Advanced Tactical.

Where can I get replacement parts for my Rock Island Armory firearm?
Replacement parts are available at Advanced Tactical. You'll be able to select and purchase available replacement parts for your firearm. You can contact us via support@armscor.com or using the chat feature below.

 

Don't think it is the same as the M14Y. Can't see whether there is a notch on the back for the mag. catch and there looks to be a projection on the front that is not on the 14 mag. and might get in the way.

HOWEVER, the one they list for the M20 appears to be identical to the M14 (and not a bad price, either.) :t

Thanks for posting this.

Edit: As far as my M14 is concerned, I decided to make a butt stock extension (versus a new stock.) I found some mahogany in my wood stash and made a 2" extension. Wow! big difference in the way the rifle feels. Not finished with it yet; need to find/build a new butt plate and do the final sanding and finishing.


Will try to post pics later.

 

Farm and home has these listed in their current flyer for $99.99, (reg $129.99 while supplies last). Its kind of tempting to get...they also have other deals going right now.

 

They obviously are not Annie's or CZ's but from my limited experience with them I think that they are well-built, accurate little guns, especially for the price point.

Can't hardly go wrong IMO.

BTW, I checked the threads on mine and it seems to be 1/2-28. Thinking about getting a fake can just for looks.

 

$100 Usd is 124 Aus right now.

The ones in the add don't look or say they are threaded, If I get over to see one and they are, I may just grab one? Hard to say.

Its one of those...so many guns, so little money...things.

 

Pictures

Model 14Y and 200 .38 Spcl. I wrapped the end of the magazine with electrical tape because of the sharp edges. Added sling attachment points. You can see a couple of knots in the stock around the wrist area (which is OK with me.)


Close up of trigger shoe. You can also see the white dots I painted on the rear sight.


Close up of butt stock extension. I need to sand, stain, and apply a finish. LOP is 14 1/4", which is about right for me. I couldn't find a butt plate large enough, so I made one of maple.

 

According to the manuals I downloaded for the M!4 and the M20, the M14 mag. part number is 2059A and the M20 mag. part number is 2059/2059A.

From this I am guessing that the mags. are interchangeable between the bolt-action and the semi-auto. Possibly the difference between the 2059 and the 2059A is just capacity, but I don't know.

 

Very likely you are right. The "A" probably denotes 15 rounds vs. 10.

 

So toomanyguns, have you had a chance to take it out and see what it'll do?

 

Yes. I mounted a better scope, a 3-12X, and got the proverbial one-ragged hole at 25 yards. That's pretty fair shootin for an old dude like me. That was with Remington subsonic, Caldwell front bag and sandbag rear.

Another thing I did was shim the sear where the trigger notch is. The notch is about 0.024" deep. I added two 1/8" wide strips of aluminum tape. The tape is about 0.003 thick, so in theory that should have reduced the engagement to about 0.018. In actuality, it brought the pull from 1.5 to 1.0 pounds. Could go further with the trigger probably.

I'll try to post some pics of the trigger mod soon.

This rifle IMO is about the ugliest gun I own, but it is cheap, accurate, and works well. I just wish it looked as nice as the one they show on their site. I did get the stock extension sanded, stained, and finished.

 

Yes. I mounted a better scope, a 3-12X, and got the proverbial one-ragged hole at 25 yards. That's pretty fair shootin for an old dude like me. That was with Remington subsonic, Caldwell front bag and sandbag rear.

Another thing I did was shim the sear where the trigger notch is. The notch is about 0.024" deep. I added two 1/8" wide strips of aluminum tape. The tape is about 0.003 thick, so in theory that should have reduced the engagement to about 0.018. In actuality, it brought the pull from 1.5 to 1.0 pounds. Could go further with the trigger probably.

I'll try to post some pics of the trigger mod soon.

This rifle IMO is about the ugliest gun I own, but it is cheap, accurate, and works well. I just wish it looked as nice as the one they show on their site. I did get the stock extension sanded, stained, and finished.

Glad to hear it's shooting well. I'm having trouble picturing what your shimming looks like.

 

Here are a couple of pictures showing my trigger mod and the finished stock extension.

I added one more layer (total of 3) of aluminum tape to the sear notch (the snap cap points to the notch) and brought the pull down to about 10 ounces (consistent), and it is VERY crisp. After shooting a few groups with different ammo, I will probably increase the trigger pull some; maybe just take the alum. tape off. It DID pass the bump test BTW. I have not stoned, filed, polished, etc. anything. I should have removed the trigger from the housing to show how it fits in the notch, but I was lazy.

To make sear disassembly/assembly easier, I replaced the splined pin with a smooth pin. The pictures show the sear, sear pin, sear spring (the big one), and the ball point pen trigger spring. The notched wooden block is a tool that I made for compressing the sear on a Mossberg 702; it also works here.

This is a very simple, easy to work on trigger group with 4 pivot pins for the safety, sear, trigger, and mag catch and 3 more pins that are just to prevent overtravel of the moving parts. The sear spring doubles as the mag catch spring. Replacing the sear pin while compressing the sear spring does require some facial contortions during reassembly.

After lifting the bolt handle, the bolt is loose in the receiver to the extent that it will slide back and forth under its own weight when the rifle is tilted up or down. There are dual extractors that are not pinned but rather are held in place with springs and plungers (like a Crickett). If you can see the screw on the bottom of the receiver, that is the screw that holds the ejector.

As far as the fit of wood to metal is concerned, it is almost as though the wood grew around the metal; very good.

According to the FAQ's on the RIA site, the reason their guns are shipped with only one mag is to keep the price low.

I don't know how long I will keep this rifle, but I've already had $100 worth of fun with it. :t :t :t

EDIT: BTW, the two housing screws are the same (interchangeable) on my rifle.

 

Excellent pics, thanks. That's why I was having trouble visualizing your alum. tape mod: I thought the trigger group was the same as on my SB20, but it clearly isn't.

 

I was looking at one of these. They look very much like the new mossberg 22 bolt action the plinkster I think. Might be worth looking into to see if the mags are the same.

 

I have one of the Mossberg 802 Plinksters (very aptly named) and although I think it is a nice little rifle, IMO the RIA M14Y is better made and more accurate. I made a lightweight stock for the Mossberg 802 and added a carry strap so that it is a handy little rifle to carry when I take the dog for a walk (I live in the country.) The RIA M14 is much heavier, especially with the scope, and not as easy to carry.

As far as mags, the M14 mags are bigger and will not fit into the 802 mag well and the notches for the mag catch are in different places. The Mossberg 802 mags will not even interchange with the Mossberg 702. On the other hand, the mags for Marlin 795 will interchange with the mags for a Marlin XT.

 

I was under the impression that the 802 and 702 mags do interchange, but the 802's will not do the LSHO trick in a 702, due to a shorter follower.

 

I have sent an email to Armscor support, inquiring about getting a longer LOP stock and/or heavy threaded barrel versions of the M14. We'll see what they say.....I would love to have one of these, based on how my SB20 shoots. High quality/accuracy + inexpensive = cool.

 

:bthumb:

From all indications, the M14 mags would interchange with the SB20; another incentive for you to buy another rifle.

 

Hi, All.

Few motnts ago I bought Armscor mod. M14PTM (it's the same model as M14Y, but with thread on the barrel for some devices - muzzle brake, silencer, etc.)

And my first shooting made me sad:

- distance 50 meters (55 yards), accuracity is about 3-4 MOA, from the table.
I think it's bad result.
I have used 3 types of cartridges -
1 column: Lapua Polar Biathlon
2 column: Norma Match
3 column: KSPZ Biathlon (some russian arms company).

Okay, next time I fix my rifle on the table with a mount, and make 4 shots with 40 meters (45 yards) distance:

It is more better, then unfixed rifle, despite lower distance.

After all, I guess that the problem with accuracy because of the trigger. It's too hard/tight, without free move. (I can compare it with my Winchester SXR Vulcan)

Could somebody tell me, what can I do with trigger (tuning, changing, replacement) for improving accuracy?

(please don't suggest me to throw this rifle away, I hope that I can solve this problem)

 

That's good shooting for a stock trigger and 45 yards. See post #28 and others for trigger mods.

 

My local Rural King is now stocking them. I wasn't impressed when I saw the muzzle. It was threaded but it appears they forgot to crown it properly. For 139.99, no thanks. After rebate my new Savage MKII FV-SR cost me right around $27.00 more OTD.

 

After rebate my RIA M14 was only $100. The crown on mine looks fine and the accuracy is good enough that the crown can't be bad.

OTOH, I may just have to get one of those MKII FV-SR's for a side-by-side comparison. It would be much better looking.

 

Info here on the Armscor/RIA 10/22 clone situation.

Short writeup of testing one of the RIA M22s.

 

Thanks for those links. I had seen them earlier, but had forgotten about the 10/22 clone and the resulting lawsuit. It seems ironic to me that Ruger would sue someone for cloning one of their guns after they cloned some self defense pistols of others.