CZ

 

I’d start with CZ speaking from experience, if cz is to much then next down from there would be a Savage .22 of your choice with the accutrigger.

 

I hope a savage II TR measures up cause I just ordered one. I currently have cz, Christian armes, Volquartsen, Annie 64 and a RPR but my favorite is a bergara B14r.

 

The accutrigger is reall easy to get it into low numbers of your choice and the barrels “example of 2” tend to be accurate. My first one is super accurate and my second seems to lead fowl midway in the barrel but shoot real well for the first 100 or so rounds.

 

CZ or Tikka T1X.

 

I just ordered a CZ 457 varmint MTR, I wasn’t impressed with the Ruger RPR I had.

 

You won't be disappointed

 

My Savage MKII TR shoots consistently tight groups with bulk CCI Blazer. Even tighter with CCI SVs.
However, your expectations for accuracy may be different from mine.....

I just wanted to add that I paid $400CDN for a lightly used one. I have more expensive .22's but this one's a keeper and I don't have to use white gloves handling it.

 

Skip the RPR, IMHO a Great Concept, executed poorly. Will a CZ keep up with an Anschutz, yeah if you spend the additional money on a barrel a trigger and a trued receiver. But for $800 the MTR is a great deal. And a great shooter. You could go back a generation to the 455 and buy a great gun , already up graded , for $500 , but you will have to shop around . You can buy a used Annie from these guys Stoney Mountain Gun Repair | Phoenix Gun Repair | Arizona Gunsmith | We build guns, repair guns, restore old weapons, repair broken stocks, build original and custom stocks, sell obsolete parts – laveen

 

Skip the RPR, IMHO a Great Concept, executed poorly. Will a CZ keep up with an Anschutz, yeah if you spend the additional money on a barrel a trigger and a trued receiver. But for $800 the MTR is a great deal. And a great shooter. You could go back a generation to the 455 and buy a great gun , already up graded , for $500 , but you will have to shop around . You can buy a used Annie from these guys Stoney Mountain Gun Repair | Phoenix Gun Repair | Arizona Gunsmith | We build guns, repair guns, restore old weapons, repair broken stocks, build original and custom stocks, sell obsolete parts – laveen

Anschutz is king of the mountain but pricey. Can one upgrade a CZ, the trigger, square the receiver and install a Walther barrel? thanks

 

T1x or a cz

 

Will any of these keep up with Anchutz accuracy?

Not likely. Anything but the RPR.

 

Based on the RPR I had I couldn't recommend one. Never shot a CZ. Have a few Savage MKIIs and a Christensen Ranger, they all shoot fine.

 

Your asking a broad question without specifics.
A target rifle as in Benchrest shooting?

 

Cz 457 varmint then upgrade as desired ..

 

@VA-outlaw is that the regular varmint model you are saying or the MTR. I was just looking at varmint to save a few $$ to put toward a chassis. Seem as if the difference is the match chamber and the stock but plan is to ditch the stock anyhow.

Tks

 

Just to be contrarian, the whole Anschutz product line to top notch. The 1416HB is a very very nice gun and yes, I agree with rnj66. The OP has provided no budget or purpose. The 1416HB is not an extravagant gun and it is light enough to shoot off hand or any position or just sit on the bench and dream of the day you can hold steady enough to get up. It is ok for hunting as much as a general purpose do-all gun could be. Kinda reminds me of the old Winchester 75T. I assume old guns are out, or I might mention the Winchester 52. Anyway, the 1416 is not a lot of money to blow on a target rifle, if one is looking for a step up from a Sporter class gun. Around 1k and change.

The CZ MTR is a beast of a gun. Kind of a single purpose gun. And the OP has not provided any purpose. This would be a good sit down and shoot all day gun. You could say the same for the Winchester 52. Or Anschutz 54 Match. (both used guns) All three good solid choices. The last two are versatile enough for position shooting. Too heavy for me, then shooters used to work out to handle those last two. These are all plus/minus grand.

There is up and down from here. Anschutz makes a real class act Silhouette rifle. It shoots as good as it look and ideal for off hand (real shooting). This is serious money for a rimfire, but it would be a no regret purchase. With an open ended budget this would be a great rifle to consider. I wish I had one. IIRC, around 2k+. This is the 1712:

 

It would also be helpful to know if the OP is interested in using aperture sights. OR at least does he plan to get off the bench? And a honest total budget, including sights and/or scope.

Edit: I just read a person is having problem with his 1416 ejecting round up and hitting the scope. I assume that would be fixed after all these years, since I got mine. That 1712 is a different design. A 54 based action. Not so "very very" after all.

 

If you have deep pockets maybe take a look at Vudoo rifles.

 

CZ is a great start. Accurate and affordable

 

The 1761 line is getting good reviews

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This is not a Target model, but it sure beats complaining about the styling on the current CZ 457 line.
You can probably tell by now, I like the classic style rifles. Well, as long as I am spending someone else's money

 

I have Bergara B14r, PWS Summit, Annie 1416 D HB Beavertail, 10/22's, and CZ 457s. For the first timer, I would recommend the CZ 457 all day every day.

 

If we are going to start suggesting various top end new production rifles then may I suggest one of these.
1-Walther
2- Vudoo
3-B14

 

I was where you were 10 years ago. I started out with a CZ 455 American (for use with a scope) and a Marlin (for use with open sights). I guess if I were going to start now, I'd take a slightly different approach. There are a couple of things that I have found out about my own shooting.

1) The quality of your barrel is, in my opinion, the most important single piece of this equation. All factory barrels are a bit of crap shoot -- you get what you get, and half of them are, definitionally, below average. So if accuracy is your goal, one consideration is whether your platform can be upgraded easily. CZ fits the bill here. The Ruger 10/22 does too. The barrels on these can be swapped by the shooter with no gunsmithing skills for barrels made by modern masters. So can the triggers. So consider the pathway rather than simply the entry level rifle. I did have a Ruger American Rimfire and you couldn't easily swap the barrel on the thing.

2) Stock shape is almost as important to accurate shooting as the barrel. Consider that for five shots to make a ragged hole in paper at 50 yards, everything has to be nearly the same from shot to shot. This includes rifle placement on your rest/support. Sporters are a real challenge for this, because the fore-ends are rounded and hard to control for cant, and the butt-stock is angled sharply to the wrist, causing the muzzle to change elevation with every shot. I am not saying you can't put five shots in the circumference of a dime with that Anschutz pictured above, but your work will be easier with a stock that has a flat foreend and a buttstock that is parallel to your shooting surface.

3) I agree with those that say that a CZ can be made to shoot with an Anschutz . . . and that it will cost money to get you there. I have done this a couple of times and it has required: barrel swaps (Lilja $500), new triggers (around $250), bedding jobs to fix stock fitment issues and take action-screw torque out of the equation. All in all, I might have been better off just buying a used Anschutz, because that's the price territory I got into with all my modifications.

4) Save some money in your budget for a scope. 14x minimum at the high end. 24x is much better. Think used -- search the classifieds here.

5) Everyone has their own rules of thumb about these things. I think of the ratios as 1/3-1/3-1/3: shooter, rifle and ammo. A great rifle will never shoot inconsistent ammo into small, repeatable groups even if it does occasionally commit a random act of accuracy. And you can spend all the money you like (I did) and unless you master the basics you won't be able to buy a bullseye (at least, I couldn't). You may laugh at this -- but the reason you shouldn't sweat the buy-in price for your rifle is that you are likely to spend a lot more money on ammunition over the rifle's life than the price of the rifle itself.

6) Don't forget to have fun.

 

I was where you were 10 years ago. I started out with a CZ 455 American (for use with a scope) and a Marlin (for use with open sights). I guess if I were going to start now, I'd take a slightly different approach. There are a couple of things that I have found out about my own shooting.

1) The quality of your barrel is, in my opinion, the most important single piece of this equation. All factory barrels are a bit of crap shoot -- you get what you get, and half of them are, definitionally, below average. So if accuracy is your goal, one consideration is whether your platform can be upgraded easily. CZ fits the bill here. The Ruger 10/22 does too. The barrels on these can be swapped by the shooter with no gunsmithing skills for barrels made by modern masters. So can the triggers. So consider the pathway rather than simply the entry level rifle. I did have a Ruger American Rimfire and you couldn't easily swap the barrel on the thing.

2) Stock shape is almost as important to accurate shooting as the barrel. Consider that for five shots to make a ragged hole in paper at 50 yards, everything has to be nearly the same from shot to shot. This includes rifle placement on your rest/support. Sporters are a real challenge for this, because the fore-ends are rounded and hard to control for cant, and the butt-stock is angled sharply to the wrist, causing the muzzle to change elevation with every shot. I am not saying you can't put five shots in the circumference of a dime with that Anschutz pictured above, but your work will be easier with a stock that has a flat foreend and a buttstock that is parallel to your shooting surface.

3) I agree with those that say that a CZ can be made to shoot with an Anschutz . . . and that it will cost money to get you there. I have done this a couple of times and it has required: barrel swaps (Lilja $500), new triggers (around $250), bedding jobs to fix stock fitment issues and take action-screw torque out of the equation. All in all, I might have been better off just buying a used Anschutz, because that's the price territory I got into with all my modifications.

4) Save some money in your budget for a scope. 14x minimum at the high end. 24x is much better. Think used -- search the classifieds here.

5) Everyone has their own rules of thumb about these things. I think of the ratios as 1/3-1/3-1/3: shooter, rifle and ammo. A great rifle will never shoot inconsistent ammo into small, repeatable groups even if it does occasionally commit a random act of accuracy. And you can spend all the money you like (I did) and unless you master the basics you won't be able to buy a bullseye (at least, I couldn't). You may laugh at this -- but the reason you shouldn't sweat the buy-in price for your rifle is that you are likely to spend a lot more money on ammunition over the rifle's life than the price of the rifle itself.

6) Don't forget to have fun.

Well written sir! I have been shooting PRR for about a year and a half and find your remarks dead on target to capture a phrase. I so agree with number 6 as I have two (2) goals for every shoot not matter the competition discipline and that is to 1) Be safe and 2) have fun! When I no longer can achieve both goals I will find another recreational outlet. Again; Excellent advice write up for the new comer.

 

I'm getting flashbacks reading this.
I wanted a bench gun but did not want to spend $$$ and then more $$$ to upgrade it. I wanted a $$ out of the box shooter to learn on.

I passed on the RPR for the same reasons of other posters. CZ, Tikka, and all the others were on my list too.

I ended up with a darkhorse; the Howa M1100. 1st box of basic CCI-SV to zero and fig the gun out. 2nd box down the pipe was with Ely Contact, their low end ammo, and I was shooting cloverleafs off a very improvised bench/bag at 25yrds. Nothing special but I went home happy from that little demo drive. I've been dying to get that gun out for a real test but other gun opportunities came up and then some club events have taken up my 'group-therapy' time.

The #1 thing I have learned about accuracy is the trigger and using it correctly. Barrel and platform are further down the list. YMMV.

 

I know the previous posts cleared things up for you but if I may add my 2cents. I have a Tikka 1x . I am very happy with it, synthetic stock and all. Just got a Mark 2 fvsr for my wife, had it out once so still getting used to it. If you go with the Mark 2 be sure to get one without a synthetic stock. Savage didn't do a good job of securing the receiver to the stock on this model.

 

I am going to be that guy...

My RPR is an excellent shooter and has been near perfect. It is not an Anschutz (I spent 4 years behind one shooting for my college) and they are tops in my book. My used RPR will outshoot my CZ trainer, my 10/22 (Kidd barrel) and my Savages. I know this is not the norm but the thing will shoot (can put 5 on a dime with CCI SV at 50 yards with the suppressor on it).
Now if I was betting on an out of the box gun, I would take an Anschutz over anything. If price is a factor a Savage is my go-to choice, and if the budget is larger a CZ would be on the short list.

Good luck

 

I am going to be that guy...

My RPR is an excellent shooter and has been near perfect. It is not an Anschutz (I spent 4 years behind one shooting for my college) and they are tops in my book. My used RPR will outshoot my CZ trainer, my 10/22 (Kidd barrel) and my Savages. I know this is not the norm but the thing will shoot (can put 5 on a dime with CCI SV at 50 yards with the suppressor on it).
Now if I was betting on an out of the box gun, I would take an Anschutz over anything. If price is a factor a Savage is my go-to choice, and if the budget is larger a CZ would be on the short list.

Good luck

That a miracle 🙏 How did you deal with the floppy magazine retention latch, and the not so wonderful trigger?

 

I'm still waiting for more info from the OP about what kind of target shooting he intends to do: serious, casual, bench, standing, etc. before making any recommendations. It would also help to know total $ budget for rifle and scope because that'll help narrow it down.

 

My guess from reading his opening post he wants to stay in the ruger RPR CZ ir tikka price range abd was asking in general if any of these can be as accurate as an Annie

 

Since the OP didn't list a shooting style or budget, I'd suggest just buying one that fits the budget and how they plan to shoot first. Sometimes you just have to get something, shoot it a while, figure out what works and doesn't. Improve it to where it's works for you or sell it and buy something that fits what you plan to do better.

There really isn't a one size fits all rifle. That's why everyone has multiples. I have guns for the bench, off hand guns, iron sight and scoped rifles, Appleseed guns, PRS/NRL, rimfire speed challenge, a few oddball and some that are just plain fun. They are all very different rifles.

If the OP gets bit by the bug, they are going to have more than one, and you have to start somewhere.

I have an RPR, it's a good value if you want to try a chassis gun.

Ask @Boilerjack22 what he thinks of Ruger RPRs.

It is either accurate enough or move it on to the next person. I wouldn't go spend lots of $ on a trigger or barrel improving an RPR, I'd sell it, take that $ and put it with what I was going to spend on improvements and get a different rifle.

Is it as accurate as an Anschutz...no but it is ⅓ the price of a new one, ½ of a used one.

There have been a lot of good suggestions, but OP, if you give us a budget and a plan for the rifle, we'll help you avoid some if the mistakes we as a group have made. Learn from the mistakes of others...it's the cheapest way.