[Jammer22]

Like I said, I've done enough reading to not expect match accuracy from the mag, but even a lot of quality(not match) lr ammo will shoot mostly moa in a good gun. Think of all the sk, rws, cci etc. hv stuff. I dont hear anyone say that those rounds are useless in lr like I do about the wmr.. and they are very similar bullets and velocity.

Let me clarify...

I've gotten some REALLY good groups with my WMR rifles. I've just never gotten anything contestant. Heck my Marlin 60 will put 15 rounds into a 3/8 hole at 25 yards with boring regularity. When I use the chrono (I keep 6 different types of WMR ammo for testing) I get spreads of 100-140fps it's just not consistent. I use it for 50 yards MAX and am happy there.

 

[carbine]

For my 2 cents =
I get bored quickly with a rimfire cartridge or gun that isn't accurate enough off the bench to test my skill and shoot less than 1/2" at 50 yards on a calm day. I'm not happy unless I get cloverleaf groups, truth be told.

That said, the 22 Mag rarely bores me. I wouldn't own as many 22 magnums as I do if I didn't think the cartridge was capable. True, not all rifles will shoot that well but many do. True, not all ammo will shoot tiny groups either. You also have to match the ammo to them just like the Long Rifle, but that's the fun part for me. I have a Kimber 82 and a Remington 40X that will put Hornady or CCI Vmax 22 magnums into nice, tight little groups most days. I've posted targets here in the past to show what they can do.

My friends and myself are always on the lookout for quality 22 magnums, because they shoot well and are fun to shoot at the range when I feel like shooting a rimfire with a little more "oomph".

 

[buckeye85]

Well, I wasnt talking about anyone's off-hand ability. Mine personally is probly more like 25-30 yards offhand, but that doesnt speak to my ability to successfully use my weapon to take small game, I just sit or brace on a tree. My point was why spend the money to build, or continue to use a mag that gives you way less accuracy than a lr, with minimal(almost negligible when talking practical field performance and not just numbers) increases in velocity/energy? Round and round we go but is it worth it over just getting some velocitors, stingers or super extras?
By questioning the sub forum, I meant it more like talking to that one friend who keeps going back to the girl who's no good for him... from the sounds of it you could at least partially agree to that I think.

 

[buckeye85]

So I ran a ballistics calculator and it showed .42 inch difference in bullet drop between same bullet(cci jsp) with 125fps difference in mv(all w/a 50 yr zero). That doesnt seem like a deal breaker to me (?), is there any other reason you keep it to 50? Or maybe something I'm not thinking about?

 

[buckeye85]

Sorry, .42 inch difference at 100 yards-with a 50 yard zero.

 

[MacR]

I have a 452 American that has produced sub MOA groups. Not every group, but usually once or twice every range session with poly tip ammo. Particularly Rem 33 gr Premiers. 40 grain averages 1.5” or so, but generally what I use as this is a varmint-hunting rifle. Don’t buy a 22 mag for paper punching.

 

[buckeye85]

As I initially stated, I'm looking to extend my tree squirrel/rabbit hunting range. As also stated, I never expected match ammo results. The reason this conversation is getting weird is because I can get 2-3 MOA at 100 with *any* 22lr ammo out of a $500 rifle, so I guess I assumed(wrongly) that with a top tier semi-custom hunting rifle and even equal ammo quality I could improve on that accuracy with a wmr.
What I also find weird is that no one is coming to the mags rescue. Go to the cz section and tell someone your 452 groups like a shotgun and the conversation would go a very different direction...js

 

[buckeye85]

If you all are saying that .75-.90(inside a quarter/roughly squirrel brain size) at 75-80 yards is "paper punching" or the results of "target ammo", then i think I've found my answer.. I'm sorry but that seems like an extremely reasonable request from ANY gun/ammo combination.

 

[buckeye85]

For the record, if I decide to buy a .22 wmr, I will probably go with a cz 455. I could get a blued/synthetic right now for $300 on gunbroker, and if it sucks I could always try the different calibers out with cz or lilja's barrels. Then maybe buy a s/a in those calibers, or not. But, it's a cheaper way to experiment since you all killed my confidence in the wmr 😉

 

[wkd]

For the record, if I decide to buy a .22 wmr, I will probably go with a cz 455. I could get a blued/synthetic right now for $300 on gunbroker, and if it sucks I could always try the different calibers out with cz or lilja's barrels. Then maybe buy a s/a in those calibers, or not. But, it's a cheaper way to experiment since you all killed my confidence in the wmr 😉

You might want to look at the CZ 512.

 

[jaia]

Previous threads

https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1133749

https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1137341

What I found to be most depressing, was no one was willing to post their results
from 50 shots at 100 yards. Except me. Where were all those sub moa rifles
when given the opportunity to show they were capable of tree rat craniotomies
using the 22wmr at 100 yards, from any setup they wanted.

 

[Barksdale123]

Wow, what a downer thread for me. I have an IZHmash 7-2 in WMR. Bought it about eight years ago for $ 300.00. Seller also had some 7-3s for $ 400 in .22 lr. I cheaped out for the cheaper gun. Wish I'd ponied up the other hundred. Anyway I have some Hornady v max on order. Lets see what happens. I don't have a 50 yard range close so it might be awhile.

 

[buckeye85]

Previous threads

https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1133749

https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php? Uht=1137341

What I found to be most annoying, was no one was willing to post their results
from 50 shots at 100 yards. Except me. Where were all those sub moa rifles
when given the opportunity to show they were capable of tree rat craniotomies
using the 22wmr at 100 yards using any setup they wanted.

Oh wow! I've read a LOT for threads on here.. hours, and hours, and hours over the years.. I have never seen the term "craniotomies".. I was feeling a bit of this downer thread too, but that was a razor sharp burn right there.. nice

 

[coloradokid]

Speaking as a rancher, trapper and hunter the .22 magnum does exactly what it was designed to do. Killing game animals up to coyote size out to 100-125 yards. Yes i do use many .22lr as well, especially prairie dogs, rabbits and squirrels. Also know accuracy is very dependent on gun, ammo and shooter. My dad and father in law both have 9422 magnum, but are most accurate with different ammunition. Myself, use 3 different ammunition choices for 3 different guns. So grab your gun, go for a walk and enjoy.

 

[Shenandoah]

Buckeye, if you can afford the Volquartsen and want one, then I think you should buy it. Buying a better rifle "should" increase your chances for better accuracy. I read on RFC of people "upgrading" their rimfires with Volquartsen parts , so I am assuming better components should translate into better accuracy. All that you can do is go with averages. And the average Volquartsen should out shoot the average $300.00 to $500.00 rifle.

 

[Bradical]

What part of the country do you hunt squirrel and rabbits were you could regularly have 100 yard opportunities for a clean shot without a forest of branches to interfere? I hunt some farms where there may on occasion have an unobstructed shot line to my target from the open fields, but at that range to a squirrel's head? Seriously, even a slight breeze will deflect a 40 grain round plenty enough for a miss. This is an exceedingly low probability shot in the field on a target that size and I don't think it matters how much money you want to spend on hardware, even if there were match grade ammo in .22WMR. Even within more reasonable ranges, you'd have to harvest your daily limit for a very long time to get the price per pound for squirrel meat to start to make sense after dropping $2,000 on the rifle, not even considering the cost for optics.

The 22lr is the ideal cartridge for your quarry. You could buy a used CZ455 with two barrels and keep $1,500. Hunt squirrel and rabbits with the 22LR and switch the the 22WMR when the small game season ends and go after groundhogs out to 100 yards.

 

[profsrgary]

What part of the country do you hunt squirrel and rabbits were you could regularly have 100 yard opportunities for a clean shot without a forest of branches to interfere? I hunt some farms where there may on occasion have an unobstructed shot line to my target from the open fields, but at that range to a squirrel's head? Seriously, even a slight breeze will deflect a 40 grain round plenty enough for a miss. This is an exceedingly low probability shot in the field on a target that size and I don't think it matters how much money you want to spend on hardware, even if there were match grade ammo in .22WMR. Even within more reasonable ranges, you'd have to harvest your daily limit for a very long time to get the price per pound for squirrel meat to start to make sense after dropping $2,000 on the rifle, not even considering the cost for optics.

The 22lr is the ideal cartridge for your quarry. You could buy a used CZ455 with two barrels and keep $1,500. Hunt squirrel and rabbits with the 22LR and switch the the 22WMR when the small game season ends and go after groundhogs out to 100 yards.

Very well said. A 40 grain 22 mag has almost 6 inches of wind drift at 100 yards. That would take a big squirrel head to cover that spread.

 

[coloradokid]

Out West not all squirrels and rabbits are small game. They are classified the same as prairie dogs, thus body shots are common. Longer ranges are also the norm. Best part of shooting the vermin is it helps bring in coyotes, foxes and even bobcats. Happy hunting!

 

[buckeye85]

What part of the country do you hunt squirrel and rabbits were you could regularly have 100 yard opportunities for a clean shot without a forest of branches to interfere? I hunt some farms where there may on occasion have an unobstructed shot line to my target from the open fields, but at that range to a squirrel's head? Seriously, even a slight breeze will deflect a 40 grain round plenty enough for a miss. This is an exceedingly low probability shot in the field on a target that size and I don't think it matters how much money you want to spend on hardware, even if there were match grade ammo in .22WMR. Even within more reasonable ranges, you'd have to harvest your daily limit for a very long time to get the price per pound for squirrel meat to start to make sense after dropping $2,000 on the rifle, not even considering the cost for optics.

The 22lr is the ideal cartridge for your quarry. You could buy a used CZ455 with two barrels and keep $1,500. Hunt squirrel and rabbits with the 22LR and switch the the 22WMR when the small game season ends and go after groundhogs out to 100 yards.

As I said at the start of the thread, I dont even know if I've seen a squirrel at 100 while hunting, thus 80 would likely be my max..
I dont buy firearms on the basis that I will get enough meat to "justify" the expense. It's a hobby and a passion. I'm talking about a Volquartsen here, Im not worried about the "price per pound" of game meat..Also, 5mph cross-wind is 1.5 inch drift at 80 yards, pretty doable.
But all in all, I am taking the experience shared here and reconsidering. I read the entire thread on 50 at 100 for wmr. Lots of info, lots of good points to be had, probly need to read it again..

 

[JTJ]

Right now there are rebates on Federal Premium 22 mag. $5 a box up to $100. That brings the price of V-Shok down to 10 cents a round. I have not found any federal V-Max. I have not shot any 30 grain so I am hesitant to buy 500 or 1000 rounds. Is it any good?