To me, seems like a solution searching for a problem.

 

You have to order them in lots of 50, ridiculously expensive. I bought an old kit from a member for the novelty of it. It uses a case just like that with a small rifle primer to shoot .22 cal. pellets. The review on the product was dismal to say the least and they are out of business. Reported accuracy was very poor, on the order of couldn't hit a target at 10 ft. out of a handgun.

 

That figures, and I probably wouldn't have bought them anyway, but I figured somebody here might know. Thanks for the info.

 

Ballenxj--

This is sort of a statement of the obvious, and I am not trying to insult you, but have you realized that this expensive experimental ammo would not even be usable in existing 22LR rifles? The firing pin that hits the outer diameter of a rimfire round would completely miss the center-located primer cup of this new cartridge. In order to use this new ammo you would need to re-engineer a rifle and modify the firing pin (and very likely a whole bunch of the rest of the innards) to hit the center, and then your expensive new custom rifle would not work for normal 22LR rimfire ammo.

This idea is just plain dumb.

 

This is sort of a statement of the obvious, and I am not trying to insult you, but have you realized that this expensive experimental ammo would not even be usable in existing 22LR rifles? The firing pin that hits the outer diameter of a rimfire round would completely miss the center-located primer cup of this new cartridge. In order to use this new ammo you would need to re-engineer a rifle and modify the firing pin (and very likely a whole bunch of the rest of the innards) to hit the center, and then your expensive new custom rifle would not work for normal 22LR rimfire ammo.

This idea is just plain dumb.

Thanks, I believe I covered the incompatibility when I said;

I have to wonder how it will work, since rifles chamberred for .22 LR are rimfire?

And yes, however novel it is, it's far from viable. I figured since a lot of you guys are into .22's, you might get a kick out of this?

 

There are better options....

If one were needing a reloadable small caliber cartridge, the 32 S&W long or 32 mag or 327 are all useful. Henry's 327 rifle is on my want list in time. The 32 caliber centerfires are more reloader friendly than 22 long rifle with a great variety of bullets and moulds available. Bullet weights for 22 LR are pretty much limited to 40 or maybe 50 grains and well under 1300fps as a reloading option. The 32 caliber gives one access to 60 to 115 grain bullets that are commonly available and cast designs around 100 to 115 grains work best in the 1000 to 1100 fps range or about what you might expect from a 22 Long Rifle but with a lot more mass and power. Brass is relatively cheap and available.

But as a curiosity, thanks for sharing. It's just not a practical endeavor. rc

 

There are several centerfire alternatives in cartridges that can be loaded down to .22 rimfire power levels. .22 Hornet, .25-20 Win., FN 5.7x28, .22 Cooper CCM, even .222 and .223 Rem.

 

Another one is the .22 TCM. Could have a rifle and a pistol in the same caliber, same dies, etc.

 

I fail to see the point. Even without the cost of the case, the rest of the components would cost more than a typical .22 rimfire cartridge. You would also need a special rifle in which to shoot them, and dies to load them.

As mentioned - it looks like a solution trying to find a problem.

Hector

 

I fail to see the point. Even without the cost of the case, the rest of the components would cost more than a typical .22 rimfire cartridge. You would also need a special rifle in which to shoot them, and dies to load them.

As mentioned - it looks like a solution trying to find a problem.

Hector

For sake of argument, would these not work in a T/C Contender? I believe these have a "selectable" firing pin that works for EITHER centerfire or rimfire, depending on the barrel and caliber installed on the frame. At least the T/C frame that I have has this capability. Would still need suitable dies, though. My question is WHY would anyone want to fool with these cases? To each his own...

 

Just what I would need for a S&W Model 53 Revolver. Who would want to shoot the 22 Jet Magnum when they could shoot this.

 

I have 8000 rds of primed new unfired SK brass I'm bot going to use since I got into 204 Ruger.

 

Economically speaking it probably wouldn't make much sense to duplicate rimfire cartridge ballistics, but if you wished to do so you could make some super precise cartridges for accuracy sake. Benchrest components, brass preparation and individually measured powder charges and such. It would be great for bench shooting but could be pesky having to save each piece of brass upon ejection for hunting use. Depends on where a shooters interests lie; and state hunting laws for that use. I live in Alabama and centerfire rifles are prohibited for small game. Not sure about handguns here. Something like a Taurus Raging Hornet would be great.

 

Thanks for the post, I found it very interesting. It may not be practical or economically feasible but hey its shooting related and we have been known to be very impractical in the past. Just look at the 357 sig. Someone out there or many someones are going to want to play with this if for no other reason than to prove how accurate a 22 could be if the ammo was better, its how this sport advances. If I won the megamillion I might have to have one just to screw with the guys at the range.

 

This is the spirit in which it was posted. :bthumb:
I asked my buddy who happens to be a very knowledgeable gunsmith about the Thompson Center as mentioned above, and he said some of them did have a selectable firing pin that will change between center, and rimfire. This would still be an expensive way to go.

 

Center Fire .22LR

I'm very sure the accuracy could be made more consistent , better I'm not sure . My 40x will shoot better than me at this point in my life . So what's the point . It would require a rebuild or a new action to shoot a center fire , unless I'm missing or missed something . Which is very possible for me . I would much rather put my coins into more ammo that I know works better that I can , than try to maybe do much better . As stated , What's the POINT for me also ?

 

I forgot to add in my original post that the novelty kit I bought was supposed to be used in a T/C Contender with a pistol barrel, and that all T/C receivers have selectable firing pins.

 

They do? I'll have to look into that, thanks.

 

It was done before. A long time ago a shooter developed a centerfire straight wall .22 target revolver on a 38 spl frame to be used in competition. Evidently it worked too well as it got banned. Reliable even ignition along with precision jacketed bullets were too much of an advantage. When you compare the price to 20 cent each target ammo there is an advantage but it wont be allowed in competition unless everyone starts using it. There is an even smaller straight wall round in 4.5 mm centerfire.

 

Mister Browning invented .25 ACP as a solution to .22 rimfire being undependable for vest pocket guns. That is the smallest case that a centerfire primer would fit at the time, and apparently still the smallest that's practical.

 

before WWII Askins had a Colt woodsman converted to .22 lr centerfire using 5.5 Velo dog cases -

 

22 ladybug

http://www.saubier.com/articles.html
http://saubier.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34300

I like this fellow's wildcat Centerfire 22 based on the 25 acp.
There are a lot of other small calibers on this site as well on the articles page. E.

 

I hope I'm not offending anyone, but my personal opinion is that this cartridge would be about as desirable and successful as a hemorrhoid transplant!