Such a deal! The ammo cost you $12.99 a box and they will give you a coupon worth $10??

Sounds like they took lessons from congress!

 

and its only good for a purchase of other Remington ammo...

 

I love the "Oh, by the way, the 597 .17HMR is recalled too" buried in the notice. Fortunately I gave up on Rem ammunition a long time ago. However, I'm big league ticked at the $250 offer on the rifle. I paid more than that for it. Rem's only .17HMR is a bolt (I'm OK with that) with no other options available like bull barrel (which is not OK). Methinks Remington sucks a big one on this.

 

As I said earlier, we don't manufacturer this product. This information is forwarded to us from the manfacturer of this ammo. This is not an issue if you choose to use the product in a bolt rifle.

Kris

 

I think it's getting mis-read.

I don't read it as "all" Remington 17hmr ammo is bad. What they are saying is that they don't want you to use the 17hmr semi auto's that Remington made (597) They way they word it is lawyer talk.

They are thinking that you don't have any other 17hmr guns and only buy Remington brand 17hmr ammo to use in your Remington 597 17hmr gun.

So, they are going to recall all the guns and if by chance you use their ammo (which isn't bad) they will take that off your hands too, because once they buy back the 597 you won't have a need for the ammo. LOL

Craig...

 

For what its worth.

We (Remington) do not make this ammo. To my knowledge, there is only one manufacturer of .17 HMR ammo. Therefore this issue will pertain to all "Re-boxed" brands.

However, I can only speak for Remington.

I don't know how CCI, Federal, Winchester, Hornady are handling any of the above mentioned issues.

And to clarify what Craig said, the combination is with ANY semi-auto, not just ours. You would need to work with any specific semi-auto manufacturer accordingly.

Kris

 

So,

If you can use this same ammo in a bolt action 17hmr rifle, then the ammo is O.K. ??

So, the ammo is o.k. and the real problem is the Remington 597 17hmr rifles. ??

Craig...

 

So,

If you can use this same ammo in a bolt action 17hmr rifle, then the ammo is O.K. ??

So, the ammo is o.k. and the real problem is the Remington 597 17hmr rifles. ??

Craig...

No, that is not how that should be read.

We made a 597 semi. .17 HMR ammo is not safe in ANY semi. We are interested in getting our semi's back. The combination with a bolt gun is different. I can not go in to a whole lot on here. Just trying to get the information out there. I don't know if any other mfg's even post on here, so don't kill the messanger.

I haven't seen any warnings posted on other mfg's website. Should be out later.

Kris

 

Apparently all those 17 HMR Semi-automatic ridle blow-ups finally got someone's attention..
Personally, if I had a 597 17 HMR, that baby would go in the safe as a collectable.. Ten years from now the selling price would probably triple..

Dave

 

Kris...

Thanks for the headz-up on the ammo and rifle. Very much appreciated.

Silvertp

 

It would appear the notice is written by a lawyer for a lawyer as most such are, don't get upset with the OP, just doing his job. Frankly I've wondered when something like this was going to be done, with the number of Out of battery detonations posted about I'm frankly a bit surprised as many folks persist with the round in semi-autos. Frankly the ammo is not the problem, the ammo in a semi-auto is the problem, that should be pretty apparent by now but seems not to seep in. Oh and every brand is made in the same plant, only one plant period.

 

Thanks Kris. :t

I got the jist now, just wanted to clarifiy.

I understand why some things are worded the way they are, just wanted to see how far you would clarify it.

Craig...

 

Wow! I am not a lawyer nor do I play one on TV but the recall was very understandable. :read:

If you use any 17 HMR ammo in any semi auto DON'T.

If you own a 597 chambered in 17hmr DON'T use it anymore. They will give you a coupon for 200 or 250 dollars IF you send them the gun. It will take a god awful long time for them to send the coupons and even longer to pay the shipping should you return the gun.

(Kinda like the 60 dollars in rebates I was supposed to get for buying their HD Shotgun ammo. I never saw that. Rebates and coupons from them are very iffy.)

I just added that last because it still ticks me off.

 

Wow! I am not a lawyer nor do I play one on TV but the recall was very understandable. :read:

If you use any 17 HMR ammo in any semi auto DON'T.

If you own a 597 chambered in 17hmr DON'T use it anymore. They will give you a coupon for 200 or 250 dollars IF you send them the gun. It will take a god awful long time for them to send the coupons and even longer to pay the shipping should you return the gun.

(Kinda like the 60 dollars in rebates I was supposed to get for buying their HD Shotgun ammo. I never saw that. Rebates and coupons from them are very iffy.)

I just added that last because it still ticks me off.

Got my Rebate on my SPS in 2 weeks.

 

I'm going to hazard a guess that this campaign will be a huge failure, but it will give the lawyers the fall back they need to fight a personal injury law suit. It's all about the Benjamin's as they say.

 

mine works fine...will not sell for 250.00 thats a slap in the face

 

HHAAA Remington better give me the money i have in it if they want it back. $200 is just flippin ridiculous!! :Blasting_ :Blasting_ :Blasting_

 

Quality of the ammo has put Remington to question.

I don't see anyone concerned with quality of the ammo product. If it says 2550 ft. per second it should not be something else way out there, this is 2009 not 1909. Semi's will do fine with the correct load of powder and primer. How can you have 150-200 ft. per second over the 2550 box spec.? It's all about quality control and testing the finished product, in this case the lack they're of. I have tested Remington it is over the 2550 by 100. Like I say shooters should be getting consistent ammo not something thrown together, which is what I call out of specification ammo. So why are the gun manufacture's doing damage control for the ammo manufacturer?

 

I don't see anyone concerned with quality of the ammo product. If it says 2550 ft. per second it should not be something else way out there, this is 2009 not 1909. Semi's will do fine with the correct load of powder and primer. How can you have 150-200 ft. per second over the 2550 box spec.? It's all about quality control and testing the finished product, in this case the lack they're of. I have tested Remington it is over the 2550 by 100. Like I say shooters should be getting consistent ammo not something thrown together, which is what I call out of specification ammo. So why are the gun manufacture's doing damage control for the ammo manufacturer?

Like I've said before- "WE DO NOT MAKE THIS AMMO". We received notice from the manufacturer that the 17 HMR ammunition should not be used in semi-automatic firearms.

I cannot tell you when and or if any other company that sells this product will put out a notice.

 

What they should offer is the following...

Remington should give people a free replacement barrel and retrofit these "dangerous" guns to .22 magnum if the 17hmr is in fact the problem and not 22 mag. In addition, they should offer to exchange box for box 17 Remington vmax for 22 mag vmax and pay the shipping for their lack of product testing before release. But that would make too much sense and cost too much money. After all they sold the guns to make money. This is like a lame government buy back program where they'll give you $50 and a slurpee for a $1500 kimber or a Stevens 15 Oh and I'm glad I never have been a 597fan. They feel good but had too many problems in .22LR let alone 22 mag 17hmr etc. They should have made a CNC Stainless Model 121 pump in 17HMR and then they would have had a winner instead of another turd. Recall the viper...

 

Does anyone know for sure that the problem with HMR ammo' is out of battery firing in semi-autos - and what is the underlying cause ?

Also, why no safety warning on the ammo' manufacturer's site ?

 

Test it you self, the factory had there chance, that gets them!

Every one should test the ammo and publish the results on RFC. That will stick it to the factory that did not do it's job. It's quick and easy painless to, plus it's the only way to know what you really are shooting it sure opened my eyes as to what is going on. Then the semi-auto guys can sell the hot stuff to the bolt action close breach guys. At least no kaboom problems. Of course you will need a bolt action to test in the in-spec ammo should not be a problem for the semi-auto.
I am thinking now that I should send just enough back for them to test and no more.
Once they get it I am kind of at there mercy.
I bought 500 Remington in June I would be real up-set at $10.00 per box, I paid $15.00. If they won't exchange out of spec for good ammo I will bolt action it what fails testing.
If they want to be stupid, maybe a class action would get there attention, which is just un-thinkable in political air today? Are we also now held hostage to the ammo builders that, do what ever they like, and give you back what ever they like, not eye sad the blind man.

 

Every one should test the ammo and publish the results on RFC. That will stick it to the factory that did not do it's job. It's quick and easy painless to, plus it's the only way to know what you really are shooting it sure opened my eyes as to what is going on. Then the semi-auto guys can sell the hot stuff to the bolt action close breach guys. At least no kaboom problems. Of course you will need a bolt action to test in the in-spec ammo should not be a problem for the semi-auto.
I am thinking now that I should send just enough back for them to test and no more.
Once they get it I am kind of at there mercy.
I bought 500 Remington in June I would be real up-set at $10.00 per box, I paid $15.00. If they won't exchange out of spec for good ammo I will bolt action it what fails testing.
If they want to be stupid, maybe a class action would get there attention, which is just un-thinkable in political air today? Are we also now held hostage to the ammo builders that, do what ever they like, and give you back what ever they like, not eye sad the blind man.

I'm kind of irritated. I mean why not just have me send the rifle in to Remington and send a bolt action .17 to my local FFL? I'll pay the transfer fee. I'm not going to just eat the dealer markup. I paid good money for my 597/.17 and I'm not going to eat 50% of it after firing like 150rds.

If they wanted to do right then they would trade gun for gun and keep the dealers out of it aside from the transfer aspect. I would be plenty happy with a nice Remington bolt 17. I wonder if there is any way that I could convert my 597/17 to a straight pull bolt.

Jon

 

On Monday I sent Remington an email stating that I am not interested in their buyback program, the amount offered is insulting. Instead, I offered to trade it for a bolt rifle in .17HMR. Today I am informed the program is for a redeemable voucher only and the value allegedly is based on the current Gun Values Blue Book. I sent an email back acknowledging receipt of their communications and advised I find their response "unacceptable."

 

At $10 a box shipped I am interested in buying some for use in my VQ semi.

 

FYI,

I did see that Magnum Research has posted a notice on their web page.

 

I really would like to set the record straight on the 597 magnums.

1. the problem is NOT the ammo. I have shot my .17hmr with all kinds of ammo. including remingtons. NO PROBLEMS.

2. I wanted to state that the 597 mag can have a OOC fire with either the .17hmr or the 22 mag. , I think its easier with the .17 but it can and does happen on the 22 mag. hence when i say that the rifle must be kept clean... I know what Im talking about. If the bolt gets gummed up, it wont full latch and the trigger can still realease the hammer, leading to a out of chamber fire

3. the OOC fires are a real thing, but very unlikely , and I would say improbable if you keep the rig clean, the chamber, the bolt and the guiderails.

 

I really would like to set the record straight on the 597 magnums.

1. the problem is NOT the ammo. I have shot my .17hmr with all kinds of ammo. including remingtons. NO PROBLEMS.

2. I wanted to state that the 597 mag can have a OOC fire with either the .17hmr or the 22 mag. , I think its easier with the .17 but it can and does happen on the 22 mag. hence when i say that the rifle must be kept clean... I know what Im talking about. If the bolt gets gummed up, it wont full latch and the trigger can still realease the hammer, leading to a out of chamber fire

3. the OOC fires are a real thing, but very unlikely , and I would say improbable if you keep the rig clean, the chamber, the bolt and the guiderails.

I'm sorry sir, that is not the entire case with this.

Kris

 

Remington-KC: You are indeed correct. Magnum Research has posted its notice and offers to buy the guns back at list or exchange them for one in a different caliber. It's refreshing to see that at least one of the manufacturers will "man up" to the situation. Shame it isn't yours.

 

Jim,

I have forwarded the concerns you guys are having about the rebate value. I'm just trying to provide everyone with some info.

Kris

 

This will be interesting as it unfolds. I for one, for the time being, will not send mine in for several reasons.
1~It works fine with a clean and dry chamber with less than 100 rounds through it before cleaning.
2~My cost with laminate stock was 480$+sh.
3~I like it and its now in collector status.
4~The thumbhole($155) has been bedded, trigger @ 24oz., barrel Moly-Fusioned X4.

For the record on 2 occasions Remington verbally via land-line reassured me a clean and dry chamber is the key to no OOBs. "Al, there are thousands and thousands of 597-17s out there working just fine; just keep the chamber clean!"
EDIT~a clean and dry chamber; not barrel as previously posted.

 

Remington-KC, I'm curious why I haven't received anything from Remington on this. I did the warranty on line. (When S&W did a recall on their Walter PPKs, I received an e-mail on it and how to get it to them at no cost to me and how long it would take for them to return. They didn't miss it by much and even polished the feed ramp as an extra.) As I read all the posts on this issue, it comes down to Remington does not want the guns fired due to some issue which causes an unsafe gun. The best guess is the gun fires when the round is not fully chambered or some similar malfunction which you can't discuss. To date I've put a little over a 1,000 rounds (20gr XTP Hornady) without any problems, except the mag issue. It would be nice on Remington's part to just inform the owners what the exact probem is, so the owners can make an informed decision. However if Remington thinks I'm going to turn in my 597 for only a $200.00 coupon good only for another Remingtion product they are in their own little world. Book value only applies if someone wants to either buy or sale a weapon. I wish to do neither. To bad the people who made my grandfathers Remington Model 29 (which I still have) are not still around, be interesting to see how they would have handled something like this. About the only way Remington will see my 597 is if they trade straight across with a 597 in 22mag.

 

Remington-KC: I'm sure we all appreciate your continuing efforts to publicize the recall. Too, I'm sure we all recognize that you did not formulate the terms and conditions of the recall. And I doubt any of us has any ill feelings toward you personally. You simply are the messenger and we all hope that you are providing full and complete feedback to the "suits" in the corporation, as well. My own perspective at the moment is: the legal and the finance people are seeking to do this the cheapest way possible for the corporation. Personally, I think they need to re-evaluate it. What's a class action suit going to cost and what are the consequences, both immediately in dollars right now, and long-term in lost goodwill and sales? Methinks the short-sighted thinking probably will prevail and its advocates will put the Remington company and brand into an irreversible tailspin. For one, I have several current production Remington products bought new (870 and two other 597s, .22LR & .22WMR) and had intended to acquire others. Until now, I have always regarded Remington with trust, respect and affection. Predictably, that is being re-evaluated.