I think you would be hard pressed to get any semi auto 10/22 or clone to shoot MOA or less with any
regularity even with top tier ammo. 50 yards yessss,past 50yd. Nooo

 

I think you would be hard pressed to get any semi auto 10/22 or clone to shoot MOA or less with any
regularity even with top tier ammo. 50 yards yessss.

I have learned this lesson the hard way. What I have ventured into ( 100 yds with 22.), is hard enough, much less trying to do it with a semiautomatic.

 

I have owned three Volquartsen carbon fiber tension barrels. None of them would shoot. I tried various types of match ammo, but they just didn't perform.

I have many other barrels from KIDD, AccuLite, Feddersen, and Shaw that greatly outperform the Volquartsen CF tension barrels. If only the would shoot as good as they look...

 

Seagaitch, thanks for the reply. The Volquartsen was the first 22 I bought. It’s a beautiful gun and was impressed upon how accurate it was, so I was lead to believe. Well I got into Rimfire because some of the guys were shooting 100yds, maybe 200 yds. Two my friends bought the Christensen ranger and brag about them. Just because it was cheap and I didn’t have to pamper it, I bought a savage fv-sr. Trying at least 15 ammo brands and not the usual cheap ones, I cannot shoot a one inch group at 100 yd with the $1300 Volquartsen. I have shot several one inch 5 shot groups with the $ 250 dollar savage. I have also shot one inch groups with the Ranger ($800). Knowing my goals, I would not have bought the Volquartsen. If you are shooting at 25-50 yards Tournaments, Rimfire shoots, this is a good gun. Smooth, great trigger, magpul stock, a great gun. I “ll probably sell it at some point.

 

I think 100 yards with ANY rimfire is a challenge when it comes to groups.

 

300yd.+ matches are regularly shoot at this distance and farther......

 

What type of real world groups are you guys seeing a 100 yards With a semi?

 

I’m surprised the Volquartsen is a dog! And at that price? Wow!
Suggest you read through my post in the Begara section 22LR about my BMR Steel, an $800.00 bolt gun in 22LR. I tried 17 different types of ammo ranging from $5.99-$14.99 in my BMR at 50 yards. After 10 outings where I meticulously noted my findings, groups sizes, etc…..I found that 82.2% of the time my BMR would only shoot .700+ MOA.
Out of 257 targets fired, over 1500 22LR cartridges employed, my BMR had 4 targets at .500 MOA & under, representing a paltry & very disappointing 3% rate.

 

What’s wrong wit 1/2 moa? I would be happy with 1/2 moa or .50 moa at 100. Actually I’d me elated.

even .50 moa at 50. and .70 moa isn’t bad at all out of a factory rifle with a factor barrel.

 

deye223 MOA at 50 is 1/2" and at 100yrds it is 1"

 

I really wanted to go to my rifle club this week & shoot some more 22LR. But I scolded myself & said that firing my mid-range cost ammo, $9.99 a box, with a proven expectation of no better than .700+ at 50 yards……well, might as well save it for my next rifle. Cyclops Joe Rhea was embarrassed with his recent BMR carbon test. Even with an EC tuner it was consistently inconsistent, offering poor groups.
Ray @ XRing on youtube that a good rifle should shoot 1.0MOA @ 100 yards. 50 yards should be .500. I’m paraphrasing Ray here, but he said if your rifle won’t shoot 1.0MOA at 100 yards, …..get a better rifle.
Better ammo, $14.99 a box, did no better either.

 

It as much or more the shooter than the combination of ammo and rifle. Sounds like your rifle is capable to do it but the shooter and conditions are not.
It really helps to go to an indoor 100yard range to find out.

 

With my Savage B22FV SS shooting SK Standard+.
7/9 of my 5 shot groups were at or under one inch at 100yards. Shooting off a bipod and rear bag. Wind conditions were low.

My Savage A22F I do about the same percentage wise but groups grow to 1.75inches. And thats also shooting CCI Blazer. Just put a better scope on it this week. So am working at retesting all my ammo threw it. Blazer seems to work well in most my rifles. But I have some green tag Sk standard Sk long range and eley contact to still try. Last time I ammo tested this rifle it really like eley contact and was hovering many groups right around the 1” mark.

So I firmly believe moa is achievable with the correct ammo favourable weather a lot of practice and a bit of luck with a good factory rifle. I seem to have had great luck with my Savages. My CZ 457 seems on par with the A22. And even my Ruger 10/22 takedown seems to do pretty well at around 3” groups at 100 yards. (Only have a 4x scope on it). Only my Browning SA22 seems to lack in the accuracy department but I think that’s mainly due to it being iron sights only. (Have tried scooping it but it’s a Belgians model so scope is receiver mounted and groups are all over the place).

 

Thank you so much TinyBear for sharing your targets & pics! An OUTSTANDING post! I have heard rumblings of the Savage rifle, and I saw one or two youtuber 22LR guys using them to great effect. My Begara BMR Steel cannot shoot those groups at 50 yards! (Hey Begara, you listening?)
On any trip to my rifle club, at 50 yards, I had an 84% of achieving poor results, & a 98% chance of NOT firing .500 and under. Just horrendous!

 

Thank you so much TinyBear for sharing your targets & pics! An OUTSTANDING post! I have heard rumblings of the Savage rifle, and I saw one or two youtuber 22LR guys using them to great effect. My Begara BMR Steel cannot shoot those groups at 50 yards! (Hey Begara, you listening?)
On any trip to my rifle club, at 50 yards, I had an 84% of achieving poor results, & a 98% chance of NOT firing .500 and under. Just horrendous!
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My Savage A22F I do about the same percentage wise but groups grow to 1.75inches. And thats also shooting CCI Blazer. Just put a better scope on it this week. So am working at retesting all my ammo threw it. Blazer seems to work well in most my rifles. But I have some green tag Sk standard Sk long range and eley contact to still try. Last time I ammo tested this rifle it really like eley contact and was hovering many groups right around the 1” mark.
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So I firmly believe moa is achievable with the correct ammo favourable weather a lot of practice and a bit of luck with a good factory rifle. I seem to have had great luck with my Savages. My CZ 457 seems on par with the A22. And even my Ruger 10/22 takedown seems to do pretty well at around 3” groups at 100 yards. (Only have a 4x scope on it). Only my Browning SA22 seems to lack in the accuracy department but I think that’s mainly due to it being iron sights only. (Have tried scooping it but it’s a Belgians model so scope is receiver mounted and groups are all over the place).

Good shooting. I love those 100 yd. groups.

 

There are many custom built / high end 22lrs that can easily shoot under MOA at 100yrds but far fewer factory rifles can do it. No doubt there exists a number of $99 wallyworld specials that are hammers, statistically it is bound to happen. Savage, Ruger, etc make a boat load of cheap 22lr rifles and I have had a few. For bolt guns I purchased a Savage MKII-F at wallyworld 15 years ago pre accutrigger...it was horrendous. I have since chopped the receiver down and fitted a 10/22 barrel to it. It shoots better than the MKII FS-VR I have now. I stupidly sold a MKII BV that was a great shooting rifle...it shot German Wolf Match Target and SK Ammo very very well never tried anything higher end. But my Bergara B-14r that I'm just getting started with out of the box is already shooting better than any 22lr rifle I've owned have already shot .2" and .3" groups with Norma TAC ammo now that I have gotten it dialed in (Action tq settings and trigger job). I'll be testing out some better ammo once I get back out with it!

 

You are correct in one direction and the complete opposite is also true. I would venture that something like 10-20% fall in the “it just sucks range and 10-20% falls into the “it shoots super tiny groups all day long and the other 60-80% are just average. That’s the way production assembly line stuff goes isn’t it?
Even in this world you pays your money and take your chances. The higher the price the lower the numbers the better the chances. When you see then hanging on Cabela’s wall for sale the build quality suffers unless it’s custom ordered.

 

Savage rifles are very accurate for the price

 

I have a savage mark two in the Boyd‘s at one stock, and it is not accurate enough to compete with. It will not shoot one in my way even at 50 yards, let alone 100. It’s a beautiful rifle, but it just will not group

 

The weather here in CanaDuh has been ****ty for May,….I’m talking about way too much rain. July & August has been a wash-out too, pun intended. The 50 & 100 yard outdoor ranges have such poor drainage that the low spots pool rainwater & create ponds. The club rule is that you cannot shoot over water so those benches are closed. So much rain!!
I abandoned my BMR 22LR…..if you read my posts above, the BMR’s performance is chronicled there. Instead, I bought. CZ457 MDT with the 20” barrel. Take out the chamber & it’s really 19”……a very good tradeoff length of 2.5” longer that the required Full Burn 16.5.”
Progress so far with the CZ has been VG+. 31 targets fired mostly at 50 yards. 4 winners @.<500 or 12.9%, using the LeadSled improved almost all the targets. By comparison, the LeadSled made no difference in the BMR groups, …..the BMR offered only 8 targets .<.500 out of 257 targets or 3%.

 

A good marksman can adapt to different guns and shoot very accurate ! A mediocre marksman needs every thing to be tuned and precise to shoot good groups! Not everyone can adapt from 10 once trigger to a 3 pound trigger and be accurate!

 

I have owned several Volquartsen rifles that I shot in Steel Challenge competitions. They were accurate and VERY reliable. Accurate for steel challenge - but never tested on paper targets at 50 and 100 yards. At the time that did not interest me. I no longer have those rifles as i have gotten out of steel and moved on to shooting bolt action rifles at 50 and 100. I have several friends who own Volquartsen firearms - I still have two of their pistols. When we talk about various firearm companies and their customer service we always compare them to Volquartsen. In most cases they do not come close. I would suggest you contact them and talk to someone about your concerns. Good luck. Again, Volquartsen has always been a great company to deal with. George

 

I have a VQ 22 that I purchased at least 15 years ago. With decent ammo I am consistently at or under MOA at 50 yards. Moving out to 100 yards requires light wind and a GOOD high power scope and solid rest. If those art present you cant be certain its the gun that is responsible for bad groups.

 

My VQ does well at 50 with SK LR

 

Really want to get great groups at 100 yards? (1) Get yourself a relatively heavy bolt or Martini action .22lr with a long barrel; (2) play around with some mid to upper grade ammunition to find something this rifle likes; (3) get yourself some good micrometer sights; and, (4) you might just surprise yourself (an have a lot of fun learning to shoot). My best groups - 50 or 100 yards - use this recipe!

Cheers,
AQBill