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Problems with BX-25 magazines

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20K views 23 replies 10 participants last post by  DrGunner  
#1 · (Edited)
I have had this same problem with 2 different BX-25s. At least once per full mag, sometimes more than once, a cartridge will fail to feed by missing the chamber. The bullet will impact the breach face at a steep angle above the chamber, sometimes also above and to the left of the chamber (from left from the shooter's perspective).

I do not have pics, but I found one on Google that shows a similar, but not identical, misfeed.

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The misfeed I'm getting is like this, but is actually a little more severe. In my 10/22, the bullet usually impacts the breach face like this, but even higher, near the top of the breach face. It also sometimes veers left somewhat (away from the camera from the perspective of the photo).

I have not yet had this happen with a 10 round rotary magazine.

FYI, my 10/22 is stock except that it has a TacSol extended mag release. Everything else is factory OEM.

Has anyone encountered a similar issue? I'm kind of stumped. I have a few ideas, but I doubt any of them are likely to be the fix.

All of my mags have some play in them. One thing I considered is that maybe there is too much. I don't know how I'd tighten them up. I also don't know why this looseness would cause issues for a BX-25 but apparently not cause issues for a BX-1.

Mag springs too weak? Doesn't make sense. If they were, I'd expect either 1) the mag to not present a new cartridge in time and the bolt end up closing on an empty chamber or 2) the cartridge would not sit high enough and would impact the body of the magazine instead of traveling up the feed ramp.

Mag spring too strong and/or feed lips out spec? Maybe. If the spring was pretty strong and the feed lips are too wide, I can see a scenario in which the nose of the cartridge starts to rise early, passing above the feed ramp, and the rim getting loose from the magazine before it reaches the cutout designed to release the rim. Seems unlikely, however, to have two magazines with the exact same complimentary flaws, but I guess it's possible. Also possible it's a mag spring issue only; again, I can envision a scenario where the cartridge's nose rises early from the strong mag spring and passes above the feed ramp. This would present the cartridge at a bad angle when the rim did clear the cutout.
 
#5 ·
They don't seem like they're binding on anything. In fact, the mags have some small amount of play, so it's not as if they are overly tight.

As to the second question, I honestly don't remember. I do know that last time I went I did do some shooting from the bench, so there's a good chance the mag could've been resting on something, they do protrude quite a good way.
 
#7 ·
I have had this same problem with 2 different BX-25s. At least once per full mag, sometimes more than once, a cartridge will fail to feed by missing the chamber. The bullet will impact the breach face at a steep angle above the chamber, sometimes also above and to the left of the chamber (from left from the shooter's perspective).

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All of my mags have some play in them. One thing I considered is that maybe there is too much. I don't know how I'd tighten them up. I also don't know why this looseness would cause issues for a BX-25 but apparently not cause issues for a BX-1.
You are correct. The excess play allows the BX-25 to get out of alignment and create the jams you describe. You can see why they have too much play here:

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There are several "fixes" to be found. This is the one that I like the best:

 
#8 ·
That's a great fix when the rounds are feeding low. I use Devcon liquid steel putty when I encounter that problem. In the OP's pic, it looks like the rounds are ramping up and hitting the top of the chamber opening. When I've encountered that variant, I've often found that there's casting flash in the feed lips which drag on the rim & cause the round to pop up when the bolt has pushed them about 1/2 way forward.
The fix? Disassemble the BX25, and polish the feed lips from top and bottom, reduce the prominence of the two pointed tips that bear on the casing, right at the front and back of the notch opening that you line the rim up with when loading. I use small hand files for that work, a dremel for the innards and a rag wheel on a bench grinder with a series of emery grits progressing to jewelers rouge to polish the entire top surface and opening of the feed lips. I also use a rat tail file and elongate the opening at the tip of the feed channel to better accommodate hollow points. Might as well do the cut casing treatment to the mag follower while you've got it apart.

Hope this helps-

DrGunner
 
#10 ·
I drill and tap two holes in the front of the mag housing and put two set screws to eliminate any movement of the magazine in the magwell. Takes a little bit of adjusting to get it right, but my results have been very positive.
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#15 ·
How about calling Ruger asking them if they can either fix the magazines or replace them? I wouldn't do any mods if all possible.

I own 10 BX-25 magazines since they were first produced. I've put thousands of rounds through these magazines without any issues. If I did have problems with them I definitely would have Ruger work on them. Good luck.

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#16 ·
I have had this same problem with 2 different BX-25s. At least once per full mag, sometimes more than once, a cartridge will fail to feed by missing the chamber. The bullet will impact the breach face at a steep angle above the chamber, sometimes also above and to the left of the chamber (from left from the shooter's perspective).

...
All of my mags have some play in them. One thing I considered is that maybe there is too much. I don't know how I'd tighten them up. I also don't know why this looseness would cause issues for a BX-25 but apparently not cause issues for a BX-1.
You are correct. The excess play allows the BX-25 to get out of alignment and create the jams you describe. You can see why they have too much play here:

Image


There are several "fixes" to be found. This is the one that I like the best:

I'd say mine don't slop as much as those in the video but they're still sloppy.

I am either going to try his fix or fork out $70 each for the tactical innovations mags.
 
#17 ·
A lot of people like the TI mags. I have one. It’s really well built. However you have to tune it to a specific gun. Then it has the steel set screws for this adjustment that bite into your aluminum receiver. I ended up leaving mine in the parts drawer as I’ve had better luck with the BX 25’s.


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#22 ·
A lot of people like the TI mags. I have one. It's really well built. However you have to tune it to a specific gun. Then it has the steel set screws for this adjustment that bite into your aluminum receiver. I ended up leaving mine in the parts drawer as I've had better luck with the BX 25's.

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I have half a dozen TI 25 mags, I tuned them for one of my Kidd receivers and they work great in all four
 
#18 ·
I'm not so sure now.

Upon examination, my BX-10 mag appears to be just as sloppy, if not slightly moreso, than my BX-25s.

This is irritating. I should've spent my money on an AR-15 22lr dedicated upper like I'd considered doing in the first place. It would have cost more but it would've worked too.
 
#19 ·
A sloppy BX10 is a far different animal than a BX25. Different feed mechanism, different spring design- rotary vs straight feed with coiled retraction spring on the 25... a BX10 can be TUNED for different spring tension- not so easy to do with a 25.
Then most important is the weight difference and it's distribution... a BX25 will sag more on a loose connection. I have about a dozen BX25s and 6 of The Tactical Innovations Billet mags, which have 4 set screw on the top which allow you to set the depth and angle that the mag sits in the well with a high degree of precision.

I know you don't want to hear this part- I rarely use my BX25s because the TI mags are far superior. The problem is that they cost A LOT.

Welcome to the world of the 10-Tweaky 2

DrGunner
 
#24 ·
Bedding TI 25 Mags

I used to apply layers of clear tape on the bottom/rear of my BX25 and TI 25 Mags to counter the mag sag that came from the slop inherent in the Mags design. I thought about bedding them with Devcon years ago, and finally got around to doing so...

It worked great!!!





I'll post a thread in the 10-22 Action forum. Eventually I'll get around to applying the same treatment to my BX 25s, and when I do I'll take pics and make a How-To thread on the topic.

DrGunner