Rimfire Central Firearm Forum banner

Your Opinion on the More Accurate .22LR Rifle for Club-sponsored Rimfire Challenge (was Competition) Contest?

3409 Views 49 Replies 20 Participants Last post by  BrianK
Hi,
I'm new to this competition and need your advice.
I messaged the host to confirm that the Ruger 10/22 and S&W M&P 15/22 are eligible for the rifle portion.
I know that the 10/22 has a longer barrel (18.5" vs. 16.5")
Other than testing both out at the range, has anyone found one more accurate than the other, both kept in stock condition?
Thanks
21 - 40 of 50 Posts
mostly22lately, thanks. For Rimfire Challenge, what pistols and rifles do you and your wife like and dislike?
For the Rimfire Challenge Limited Class, can you use aftermarket triggers, like the TG2000 or Kidd?
Second question first:

In both classes, there aren't any operational restrictions about triggers and whatnot. The firearms that are most competitive are often 'idealized' for speed and if that means a specialty trigger, so be it. Rimfire Challenge also has a general "run what you brung" attitude because it is, foremost, a newcomer-welcoming environment.

It's better to arrive at events and participate instead of focusing on equipment. Because it is also family-oriented, it is completely common to see two and even three generations of one family participating, and sometimes using the same two guns! Somebody on the back table has extra magazines and is reloading while the other one is at the line.

Now, the first question...

I hesitate to list gear for others to consider. Tons of videos out there showing rimfire challenge events to watch and see for yourself. What works for us (and that changes as we learn and adapt) won't be the best choice for others.

Because we are actively competing open, and squad with people who have sponsorships and regularly attend national competitive matches, we are using idealized equipment to try to help us along as we're just a bit older than some of the fast folks. I share this context because to answer the question directly could scare folks off due to the expense. The vast majority of people are there to have fun and having fun emphatically does NOT require dropping massive dollars. That kind of big $$ thing is for other shooting sports.

In this sport, reliability / function is #1, then optics. Neither of these require major expenditures, in relative terms. Your goal is to go fast and not miss. Can you hit a 8" or 10" plate at 10 yards? Remember, groupings here are meaningless. All you gotta do is hit the thing and move to the next one. Simple, right?

You shooting 7 or 8 rounds in 3 seconds, five times in a row, means your gear has to do that too. Ammo becomes a key part of the equation, at least as important as the gun. You don't run Thunderbolts; neither do you bring Lapua. Unless those are all you have!

The other participants we compete with have a wide variety of gear, and numerically I'd say ... the pistols are more than half various flavors of Volquartsen parts or assemblies. The majority of the rifles are some versions of Ruger 10/22, with varying upgrades for reliability, weight and balance not uncommon.

For pistol and rifle in open class, the most successful people have paid attention to the optics that work best for their eyes. For limited, the sights selection is even MUCH more personally dependent on one's own vision.

I don't "dislike" any firearm. I will be honest though, I do share the disappointment others have when they have equipment malfunctions. It happens to me, too.

So I learned what causes this (often the hard way) and try my best to make sure it does not.

Also, I know I can't move as quickly with some of my gear as I can with others. I don't use my CZ457 at Rimfire Challenge, nor my S&W 41, even though in any other context these are truly fine 22lr firearms. I also don't use anything with a scope, or a tubular magazine. Who needs the handicap? You're probably getting the idea by now.

Come to an event or two, and shadow a squad as they go between stages. That's the best advice I can offer.
See less See more
  • Like
  • Love
Reactions: 5
it is hard to follow mostly 22's comments... I've been shooting Steel Challenge for about two years now, after 35 years of USPSA limited pistol, PCC , and 3 gun.... old age, and arthritic knee had slowed down my movement, and Steel Challenge was a natural move for me...one local club shoots the two gun format of Rimfire Challenge, but no longer advertises as RC as they do also allow non rim fire to compete in a separate division...

I can not over emphasize mostly 22's comments about reliability, and choice of ammunition... I shoot irons and open for both pistol and rifle... years ago I shot the Chevy Truck Sportsman's Team Challenge with a highly accurate 10/22, and SW M41...but was not shooting the amount I now am..the 10/22 was a pain to clean the chamber ... my pistol is a break open Ruger MKIV with both a lite and bull barrel... the rifle is a CMMG collar B unit for short 9" and 10" uppers for my SBR... both give easy access to the bolt face and chamber for cleaning....I get 3 runs on a 21 round Black Dog magazine before reloading with the rifle... most 10/22 users have to interrupt their string of fire to change mags 4 times....the Ruger magazines have been modified to IIRC a Tandemkross video specs....my Ruger has been upgraded with Striplin mud flaps and Volquartsen/Tandemkross trigger and grip...both open guns run a Holosun 510c,, green circle dot on the rifle, red dot on the pistol... the Irons guns have Striplin flip up (rifle) and TacSol fiber optic fronts....all have aftermarket wire EDM extractors and firing pins....I've had good results using CCI ammunition... my MKIV does not run reliably on SV but the CMMG does, so I use CCI AR Tactical 22 that both like... regards Les
See less See more
  • Like
Reactions: 4
Oaky Max now we're getting somewhere.

I'm a match Director at our local club for Rimfire Challenge, I also shoot Steel Challenge at three other clubs. Rimfire Challenge and Steel Challenge are very similar but are different games. Steel Challenge is by far more popular.

With Rimfire Challenge the competitor shoots both a rifle and a pistol.

IMO the less they weigh the faster one can go.

Ammo, round nose NO JHP's. my rifles cycle CCI mini mags very reliable, for pistol i like CCI SV. any malfunction will cost you time and possibly the match.

Shoot whatever your guns will run. some rimfire guns just won't feed JHP's and that leads to a malfunction.

here are a few of mine
Thanks, JW22.
I found the Rule Book on-line, but I couldn't find some answers.
Do I have to bring my own steel targets? If so, would you give some advice on brands, models, and vendors to get?
About how long does the match last, eg 5 or 6 PM?
For the Rim Challenge, in the Open Class Division, are slings on rifles okay to use?
For the Rimfire Challenge, in the Limited Class Division, for the Ruger 10/22, would a small, aftermarket peep sight added to the rear iron sight, recoil pad, sling, and Kidd or other aftermarket trigger assembly be okay to use?
TopStrap44, thanks. I'm in the San Francisco Bay Area. The nearest Appleseed events are in the Los Angeles area. I believe that Richmond (city) Hot Shots is my nearest club, but I'm open to joining others, and meeting any rimfirecentral members in the Bay Area, either at a range or coffee shop. Heck, you can never have enough friends!
Thanks, JW22.
I found the Rule Book on-line, but I couldn't find some answers.
Do I have to bring my own steel targets? If so, would you give some advice on brands, models, and vendors to get?
About how long does the match last, eg 5 or 6 PM?
For the Rim Challenge, in the Open Class Division, are slings on rifles okay to use?
For the Rimfire Challenge, in the Limited Class Division, for the Ruger 10/22, would a small, aftermarket peep sight added to the rear iron sight, recoil pad, sling, and Kidd or other aftermarket trigger assembly be okay to use?
A1. no the club should have them. they always appreciate folks that help set up and take down.
A2. depends on number of stages and number of competitors. maybe 3-4 hours.
A3 I would take it off.
A4. yes
Take extra magazines.
  • Like
Reactions: 1
JW22, thanks. Would you take oft the slings, because they're disallowed or do the slings somehow interfere with shooting in the competition?
JW22, thanks. Would you take oft the slings, because they're disallowed or do the slings somehow interfere with shooting in the competition?
not needed and could get in the way. Steel Challenge/Rimfire Challenge is speed shooting. You will enjoy it!(y)
If you have a pull cart, take it for all your stuff. (yard cart)
  • Like
Reactions: 2
JW22, thanks. When I go to junkyards with my tools, I use a luggage cart with a large plastic box container, like below. I wouldn't mind the stock of my 10/22 sticking out from that set up. Would that combo work?

Rectangle Dishware Gas Glass Metal
See less See more
JW22, thanks. When I go to junkyards with my tools, I use a luggage cart with a large plastic box container, like below. I wouldn't mind the stock of my 10/22 sticking out from that set up. Would that combo work?

View attachment 351379
Put some wheels and a handle on it. I shoot at one club with 6 bays that are a couple hundred yards apart from bay 1 to bay 6.
Also keep your guns cased and have an empty chamber flag in them. Some RSO are very particular.
  • Like
Reactions: 1
JW22, thanks. When I go to junkyards with my tools, I use a luggage cart with a large plastic box container, like below. I wouldn't mind the stock of my 10/22 sticking out from that set up. Would that combo work?

View attachment 351379
This is the item most people here use:

  • Like
Reactions: 3
Thanks, JW22.
I have a Glock 17 with the Advantage Arms .22LR conversion kit. Is that okay to use in the Rimfire Challenge?
Thanks, JW22.
I have a Glock 17 with the Advantage Arms .22LR conversion kit. Is that okay to use in the Rimfire Challenge?
yes, that and your 10/22 with 4-5 magazines and your ready(y)
work on hitting the plates first, speed will come later.
  • Like
Reactions: 3
Hi,
I'm new to this competition and need your advice.
I messaged the host to confirm that the Ruger 10/22 and S&W M&P 15/22 are eligible for the rifle portion.
I know that the 10/22 has a longer barrel (18.5" vs. 16.5")
Other than testing both out at the range, has anyone found one more accurate than the other, both kept in stock condition?
Thanks
I'm still fairly new to steel challenge and here is what I have found. I shoot a S & W 15-22. The only modifications are changing the extractor, plunger and spring. This gun in general has FTE problems and the gun is 100% reliable. The only ammunition I use is Mini-mag 40 grain. I am a firm believer in not making any modifications until I can personally figure out what in the equipment is holding me back. Until you can make that determination independently don't change anything. I'd say every match I see several highly modified 10/22's fail including one needing a trigger change out between stages. As others have said with steel challenge reliability is a huge part of the game.

I would spend my money up front on a decent red dot. I have a 3 MOA Bushnell TRS-25 which actually works pretty good but I would like a larger dot, at least a 6 MOA. The Bushnell is a cheapie but holds zero and has been reliable.

Another nice thing with the 15-22 is the 25 round magazines and only having to change mags once per stage. But I still bring five magazines.

I would definitely read the rules, at least the rules regarding how to act at the table, RO commands, etc. I went to a match to watch before entering and benefitted greatly from watching and asking questions. I still have to concentrate when unbagging, clearing, re-bagging the gun. When I visit the range just to shoot, I always shoot til the magazine is empty. With steel, it was tricky to release the magazine, clear the chamber, insert the chamber empty flag (which is required on rifles) and bag the rifle essentially with one hand while not sweeping my arm or breaking 180. Due to the depth of the range several stages are set up angled so you are not 180 along the rear berm.

Anyway, let the match director/people running the match and your squad know it's your first match, etc. Everyone is very helpful and will want you to succeed but there is no tolerance for mistakes once you get to the table.
See less See more
  • Like
Reactions: 3
Thanks.
Did you see a pattern as to which modifications on the 10/22s were associated with failures and, besides the trigger, what the failures consisted of?
Did you see any successful 10/22 mods use the MagPul Hunter X-22 stock or the ATI Fiberforce Monte Carlo stock?
stock condition can mean lots of things, since there are many "factory" variations if you don't want to make mods yourself. the bx trigger is decent enough for me.
  • Like
Reactions: 1
Thanks.
Did you see a pattern as to which modifications on the 10/22s were associated with failures and, besides the trigger, what the failures consisted of?
Did you see any successful 10/22 mods use the MagPul Hunter X-22 stock or the ATI Fiberforce Monte Carlo stock?
Sorry I don't have any more information. I know the trigger change out was a Kidd with odd circumstances. Rapid fire he could empty a mag. Shooting a stage which is at a slower rate and the malfunctions appeared. Anything less than 100% full speed shooting and failure. I don't know anything else on that one other than the circumstances.

Very small sample size but I believe most people have Wiland components. Don't really know about the circumstances around other failures, the shooters cursing is not revealing :). Since I don't shoot a 10/22 don't pay close attention.
  • Like
Reactions: 1
I'll make a plug for Holosun dot scopes... even though there are PRC products, they have some innovative features... the solar cell models, and the shake awake function give me a year on a 2032 cell...I perceive the shake awake setting to provide a slightly brighter dot than the manual setting.... I wear amber shooting glasses most of the time, and the Green reticle of my 510 used on my rifle appears neon green in bright sunlight..very easy to track..I use a circle dot for the rifle, and a (red) dot 510 on the pistol... my Glock G17 carry optic pistol has a red 507c... regards Les


Air gun Trigger Gun barrel Gun accessory Wood
See less See more
  • Like
Reactions: 2
Hello Max170, The most common guns in Rimfire Challenge are the Browning Buck Mark, Ruger MKII, MKIII, MKIV pistols, the infinite variety of Ruger 10/22's and S&W M&P15-22 for rifles. For modifications, the rules for both Steel Challenge and Rimfire Challenge are very loose. The two rimfire divisions are Iron Sights and Open. Iron Sight allows muzzle brakes and other modifications, but MUST have Iron Sights. Open allows any sight, red dots, scopes, and even iron sights. Both the pistol and rifle must be registered in the same division, if either one has an optical sight, both are in Open division.
I've shot at Richmond since 1987 in USPSA Pistol, High Power, Shotgun, PCC & 3 Gun, Steel Challenge and Rimfire Challenge.
They have a practice day on Saturday until 1-2pm when they build the stages for the weekend match. Go check out the practice day. Sign in is at the Action Range Stat Shack, not the Clubhouse or the Public Range. Just listen for the rapid fire and that's the Action Range. Tell them you're a newb and Nolan sent you.
Here's a link to a Rimfire Challenge match back in 2018. Sorry I don't have anything newer. I'm shooting my old Buck Mark and as my wife calls it "Grapejuice" 10/22. Both have C-More Serendipity red dots and lots of modifications, but they are not necessary to get started. Stock guns with standard iron sights will work just fine. This video is pretty representative of a typical rimfire match. Usually anywhere from 40-70 competitors and very low key, but very safety oriented.

https://hosercam.com/video/hoser/richmond rimfire challenge 7-22-18.mp4

Nolan
See less See more
  • Like
Reactions: 1
Thanks, Nolan.
The local gun club that sponsors Rimfire Challenge has not been responding to my e-mail about the 2023 schedule. I checked Rimfire Challenge and for 2023, there's nothing scheduled anywhere in California (where I live) or even Oregon. I don't understand why.
Does anyone know whether they'll have Rimfire Challenges in California?
There are several clubs that have regular Steel Challenge matches. Check at Practiscore.com. Click the "Matches" tab in the upper bar, select "Commiefornia" in the left hand STATE column, scroll way down and select "Steel Challenge"


Linden Competitive Shooting Club HOME | lindencsc Next match Jan. 14th
Diablo Rod and Gun Club http://DiabloRodandGun.Com Next match Jan. 8th
Coyote Valley Steel Challenge no website, but generally once a month. Next match Jan. 7th

About the only range with a dedicated Rimfire Challenge schedule is the Hogue Action Pistol Range in San Luis Obispo
San Luis Obispo Sportsmen's Association - Competition Range Next match not yet scheduled.

While I'm wasting your bandwidth, here's a couple more videos of my wife and I from a practice day.

https://hosercam.com/video/meimei .22 open pistol.mp4

https://hosercam.com/video/nolan .22 open pistol.mp4

https://hosercam.com/video/nolan .22 open rifle.mp4


Nolan
See less See more
  • Like
Reactions: 3
21 - 40 of 50 Posts
Top