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One good reason is to have the Safe-Fire lever work in the same direction as the rest of the world - "Forward is Fire." Levergunners, who cock a hammer, seem to like this current system, but I don't care for "Rear to Fire."
There was a gunsmith a few years ago who ran 50 or so "proper" safeties together and put them up for sale, but they didn't sell well, and I haven't heard of anyone else doing it.
Jaywalker
There was a gunsmith a few years ago who ran 50 or so "proper" safeties together and put them up for sale, but they didn't sell well, and I haven't heard of anyone else doing it.
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I was told that a gunsmith located in Austin Texas did this conversion, but do not know if they still do it. I've just resigned my self to just get used to it - too many rifles to convert anyway.
But I do agree - it is aggravating at times.
But I do agree - it is aggravating at times.
James Wisner made a reversed safety lever. Here's more:
http://rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83867&highlight=wisner
http://rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27725&highlight=wisner
http://rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83867&highlight=wisner
http://rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27725&highlight=wisner
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To me it's like the windshield wiper lever in your car. Some carmakers put it on the left side of the steering wheel, some put it on the right. I just got used to it, and now it's second nature when I have the rifle in my hands.
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who cares at least if that safety is on that firing pin isnt going to touch the rim and set it off. very good for hunting!
i will say i like the old hammer guns with half cock safety. my brother doesnt he cant quite get the whole hold hammer while pulling trigger thing down...at least he wont try it with a loaded gun (it was my grandfathers winchester 62 pump we were using)
i will say i like the old hammer guns with half cock safety. my brother doesnt he cant quite get the whole hold hammer while pulling trigger thing down...at least he wont try it with a loaded gun (it was my grandfathers winchester 62 pump we were using)
I have several complaints about the 452 Safety:
1. It is hard to operate. It does take considerable force to manouver. To release as well as to engage. The lever is too small.
2. It is, due to it's basic construction, very noicy. There is no sneaking up to unsuspecting game with a chambered round and then releasing that clickety–CLONK!!! Game gone/over.
3. It does operate "the wrong way", "backwards", which isn't such a big deal. But annoying it certainly is.
I have modified and polished the original safety to adress #1–2, with limited success. It is possible too smooth it somewhat, to make it easier to operate, but not by much and still have a "safe" safety. The Wisner safety is easier to operate since the larger lever is more to hold onto. It doesn't do much to reduce noice except to offer a lever which can be dampend by braking tumb pressure and indirectly slow down the "slamming in position". It's marginal.
The Wisner lever certainly fixes the #3.
I think CZ should consider modifying the safety after the Wisner pattern. Particulary now when US is the large market for these rifles. The Wisner resembles the Winchester M-70 safety, in apperance and operation. It's a safety construction that is both popular and very functional indeed. The only thing missing are the three positions. CZ is now adressing the poor trigger problem with the introduction of the 453 model. Maybe the safety conversion could be incorporated in the next(?) model 454?
The Wisner safety was expensive. It was hard work to fit and install. But it did improve the ergonomics of my Brno 452 rifle.
1. It is hard to operate. It does take considerable force to manouver. To release as well as to engage. The lever is too small.
2. It is, due to it's basic construction, very noicy. There is no sneaking up to unsuspecting game with a chambered round and then releasing that clickety–CLONK!!! Game gone/over.
3. It does operate "the wrong way", "backwards", which isn't such a big deal. But annoying it certainly is.
I have modified and polished the original safety to adress #1–2, with limited success. It is possible too smooth it somewhat, to make it easier to operate, but not by much and still have a "safe" safety. The Wisner safety is easier to operate since the larger lever is more to hold onto. It doesn't do much to reduce noice except to offer a lever which can be dampend by braking tumb pressure and indirectly slow down the "slamming in position". It's marginal.
The Wisner lever certainly fixes the #3.
I think CZ should consider modifying the safety after the Wisner pattern. Particulary now when US is the large market for these rifles. The Wisner resembles the Winchester M-70 safety, in apperance and operation. It's a safety construction that is both popular and very functional indeed. The only thing missing are the three positions. CZ is now adressing the poor trigger problem with the introduction of the 453 model. Maybe the safety conversion could be incorporated in the next(?) model 454?
The Wisner safety was expensive. It was hard work to fit and install. But it did improve the ergonomics of my Brno 452 rifle.
452 safety
I figure it will cost about $400 for a CZ and safety which is too much to suit me. I could get a nice varmint rifle for a little more than that. A salesman sold one and told me the owner said there wasn't anything special about it. So there isn't any guarantee you will get a good one. I've seen a lot on the net about them but they haven't caught on locally at all.
It's the first time I heard about a 453 model so it might be worth the wait.
My other two choices are a 10/22 which can be modified if necessary, for about $360 or less which is still a lot.
Or a Savage Mark II LH which might have extraction problems and not have the accuracy of a Green Mountain 10/22 barrel. The trigger can be replaced which is a major pro. It is a cheaply made rifle.
Since a .22 rimfire's maximum practical range is about 75 yards, $350+ is still an awful lot for one.
I figure it will cost about $400 for a CZ and safety which is too much to suit me. I could get a nice varmint rifle for a little more than that. A salesman sold one and told me the owner said there wasn't anything special about it. So there isn't any guarantee you will get a good one. I've seen a lot on the net about them but they haven't caught on locally at all.
It's the first time I heard about a 453 model so it might be worth the wait.
My other two choices are a 10/22 which can be modified if necessary, for about $360 or less which is still a lot.
Or a Savage Mark II LH which might have extraction problems and not have the accuracy of a Green Mountain 10/22 barrel. The trigger can be replaced which is a major pro. It is a cheaply made rifle.
Since a .22 rimfire's maximum practical range is about 75 yards, $350+ is still an awful lot for one.
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I've got one; the trigger and safety are both rougher than the CZ. Don't know where you're getting the info on extraction problemsREA said:
As with the CZ, they can be improved with little/no $$$. Both got better simply by shooting a couple of hundred rounds. The savage pull/creep gets better by shimming the back of the trigger group. There is Brookie's kit for the CZ, or simply shim/change springs on your own.I think its funny that folks feel so strongly over the 'reversed' safety; I never would have noticed it until someone pointed it out
To Homersapien,
I've seen a few posts on Savage extraction problems and a Remingtom 514 I've got drives me nuts with that problem. It had a new extractor put in but didn't help. Soft metal wore out.
You have probably heard of the Basix trigger for the Savage which is what I would get.
It also bothers me that I had a Marlin 781 and the bolt handle broke off. Ditto the 514. That's what I mean by cheap rifles. The savage clips are the cheapest part of the rifle.
I don't know, but think the Ruger is built better.
I've seen a few posts on Savage extraction problems and a Remingtom 514 I've got drives me nuts with that problem. It had a new extractor put in but didn't help. Soft metal wore out.
You have probably heard of the Basix trigger for the Savage which is what I would get.
It also bothers me that I had a Marlin 781 and the bolt handle broke off. Ditto the 514. That's what I mean by cheap rifles. The savage clips are the cheapest part of the rifle.
I don't know, but think the Ruger is built better.
CZ Safety Conversion
I have spokento the folks at CZ about this three times, twice on the phone and once in person at the Harrisburg PA show.
They have no intentions of making the safety work the other way (push forward is off) since a liability issue now develops because of the previous models with the safety working in the other direction.
They are such good people to deal with I didn't press them to hard on the issue...
Dave
I have spokento the folks at CZ about this three times, twice on the phone and once in person at the Harrisburg PA show.
They have no intentions of making the safety work the other way (push forward is off) since a liability issue now develops because of the previous models with the safety working in the other direction.
They are such good people to deal with I didn't press them to hard on the issue...
Dave
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