Single round loading?

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noshow

Discussion Starter · Mar 2, 2014

Does anyone make a device to simplify single loading for bench shooting? I use the SSAs in my CZ bolt rifles and find them very convenient to use. I'm not looking for a magazine that requires removing/replacing, but rather just a sled type of feeding device.

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OleFreak

· #2 · Mar 2, 2014

I wish, but no, and even though Ruger describes on whatever page how you’re supposed to be able to single load with or without the magazine being present, doing so can get you unexpected and potentially dangerous results.

There have been several reports here of slam fires where folk let go of the bolt with it landing on a partially or completely chambered round it turns out with the cartridge seat cut on the bolt face landing offset to the side just enough that it squashed enough rim to light off the round.

crackedcornish

· #3 · Mar 2, 2014

not that I'm aware of...the problem is the ejection port is rather small, making single loading difficult for adult sized fingers

why do you want one?

noshow

Discussion Starter · #4 · Mar 2, 2014

crackedcornish said:
not that I'm aware of...the problem is the ejection port is rather small, making single loading difficult for adult sized fingers

why do you want one?

Single loading slows the pace of my range visits and also helps to conserve my dwindling ammo stash. I try to use only 50 or 100 rounds per visit, not hard with a bolt gun, but autoloaders can burn through a brick if you're not careful

crackedcornish

· #5 · Mar 2, 2014

noshow said:
Single loading slows the pace of my range visits and also helps to conserve my dwindling ammo stash. I try to use only 50 or 100 rounds per visit, not hard with a bolt gun, but autoloaders can burn through a brick if you're not careful

so, ejecting an empty, then single loading the mag and reinserting it between shots would accomplish what you seek

http://shopruger.com/10_22-BX-1-1-One-Round-Magazine-90344/productinfo/90344/
seriously though, you might be able to modify one of the single shot mags to accomplish what you're after...but, I've never even seen one of these in the flesh, so I'm not sure how they work internally

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OleFreak

· #6 · Mar 2, 2014

I think both the one and five round Ruger magazines are regular ol’ magazines pinned internally to limit rotation of the carrier vibe.

BlkHawk73

· #7 · Mar 2, 2014

Was just going to suggest loading a single round in the magazine (kinda a no-brainer I'd think) or simply buy the BX-1-1 as crackedcornish showed. Just because it is a 10 shot magazine, doesn't mean it has to be loaded with 10.

noshow

Discussion Starter · #8 · Mar 2, 2014

I was wishing to not have to remove/replace the mag with each round loaded. Something like an angled trough/ ramp to just lay the round in and let the bolt push it into the chamber. Crackedcornish has me thinking about adapting one of the "1 shot" mags by replacing the metal lips with a section of 1/4" plastic pipe or similar

OleFreak

· #9 · Mar 2, 2014

In my Remington 700 there’s a Score High Benchrest Follower inserted on top of the factory follower. You just drop a round on the thing and close the bolt with everything else functioning normally. As much as I’d like to see something similar for a 10/22 I’m thinking if it was all that easy the thing would already exist.

DrGunner

· #10 · Mar 2, 2014

noshow said:
Does anyone make a device to simplify single loading for bench shooting? I use the SSAs in my CZ bolt rifles and find them very convenient to use. I'm not looking for a magazine that requires removing/replacing, but rather just a sled type of feeding device.

I would strongly recommend against this practice. I have made significant progress in building and determining the accuracy potential of the 1022 platform.

That said, it has been my very consistent experience that hand chambered rounds are the least accurate, recoil chambered rounds are much more accurate and consistent. It has become my practice to shoot the first round out of every magazine as a sighter when I am going for maximum accuracy, bull's-eye targets, or shooting for groups.
I know it sounds counterintuitive that there should be a difference between a hand charged/chambered round and one that was chambered by recoil of the rifle, but there is a distinct difference. I have tested this countless times through no less than seven proven rifles and can tell you unequivocally it is the truth - measured targets do not lie.

It is a simple matter to shoot the first round off target, as a sizing round or at the sighters, pull the magazine and top it off if you need to for round count.

I know it sounds like this process will waste some ammunition, and that is the truth. That being said, when you are trying to squeeze every thousandth of an inch out of these rifles - every little nuance in the shooting system and shooter will make a difference. This particular one is a no-brainer. Hand charged rounds tend to be the flyers in your groups and will be the most consistently inconsistent rounds you fire out of a 1022.

And with regard to magazines - I have also found that the BX 10 magazines do not produce the most accurate/reliable results out of my rifles. A properly tuned TI 25 magazine with it's four top set screws adjusted to properly set the magazine height and feed angle has produced the best results in my target rifles. I have been using them exclusively when going for maximum accuracy for two years now.

I am just sharing my experience here, and if you do not believe what I am saying, I would encourage you to move forward and experiment with this single shot idea but I think you will, in the end- come to the same conclusion I have - although it will cost you some money in ammo fired. If you do see this through to its fruition, please take the time to post your results back here for the benefit of all readers.

Respectfully, DrGunner

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crackedcornish

· #11 · Mar 2, 2014

DrGunner said:
And with regard to magazines - I have also found that the BX 10 magazines do not produce the most accurate/reliable results out of my rifles. A properly tuned TI 25 magazine with it's four top set screws adjusted to properly set the magazine height and feed angle has produced the best results in my target rifles. I have been using them exclusively when going for maximum accuracy for two years now.

Respectfully, DrGunner

I believe that these are no longer legal to own in NY

DrGunner

· #12 · Mar 2, 2014

crackedcornish said:
I believe that these are no longer legal to own in NY

Oops!!! You're right. Shoot, I need to remember to look where the OP is from before giving advice- and that's NOT RIGHT!!!

Thanks for the heads up.

Apologies, noshow

DrGunner

noshow

Discussion Starter · #13 · Mar 2, 2014

Thanks to all who replied to my post. I must assume there is no such device available at this time. That being said, I will limit my usage to the five(5) round Ruger mags that NYC mandates. RFC forums are one of the best resources available for learning the nuances of the shooting sports :bthumb: Thanks again to all!

Gunhippie

· #14 · Mar 4, 2014 (Edited)

Whoah, noshow!

This here is RFC. We don't take "it isn't available" as an excuse. You are now obligated to make this device and try to show us how--or just convince us to buy it from you!

While I regard everything (well, almost...) the good Dr. reports as gospel, being able to hand-load single rounds would be particularly handy when training young shooters and some of my hippie friends.

A square 10

· #15 · Mar 4, 2014

while i understand the desire to load single rounds for bench rest shooting , it is one of the really baffling aspects of turning a semi-auto into a bench rifle ,
i also understand the rifle modifications thanks to my time spent here , but these are repeating rifles , why do we not want to optimize both aspects ?

im just asking and wanting to understand , im not in any way casting any sideways glances at anyone or any thing to do with this discussion , i really want to understand why we would make a single shot of a repeating rifle

DrGunner

· #16 · Mar 4, 2014

A square 10 said:
while i understand the desire to load single rounds for bench rest shooting , it is one of the really baffling aspects of turning a semi-auto into a bench rifle ,
i also understand the rifle modifications thanks to my time spent here , but these are repeating rifles , why do we not want to optimize both aspects ?

im just asking and wanting to understand , im not in any way casting any sideways glances at anyone or any thing to do with this discussion , i really want to understand why we would make a single shot of a repeating rifle

Because we have all tried in vain to get bolt gun accuracy out of this platform, something that simply will never happen.
I'm guiltier than most.

DrGunner

Blacknboostn

· #17 · Mar 4, 2014

DrGunner said:
Because we have all tried in vain to get bolt gun accuracy out of this platform, something that simply will never happen.

I'm guiltier than most.

DrGunner

Guiltiest than most perhaps, but also closer than most :bthumb:

Begs the question though, single shot mags just don't make sense for this platform. It is known that manually loaded rounds (charging the bolt for example) usually become fliers... With a single load magazine it stands to reason that EVERY round would potentially become a flier. Better to use a 10 rounder... Charge it, drop the mag, add another round, pop it back in and shoot the hand charged round away from any scoring boxes.

Just my .02 about single shot magazines for 10/22...

-T

Sub MOA or bust!!!

OleFreak

· #18 · Mar 4, 2014

When I single load any repeater there will be nothing about its design that would preclude the use of a finger to fully seat the round in the chamber thus eliminating the damage potential of exposing the round to the entirety of the repeater feeding mechanism and there's no need to land the bolt on the breach face with force.

shango

· #19 · Mar 4, 2014

The O.P. s' stated purpose is to slow the shooting pace of his range visits.
Noshow, toward this end l would offer the idea of removing the trigger reset spring and plunger, creating a situation where you must manually push the trigger forward to reset the sear for each shot. This helps to instill an atmosphere, if you will, of care and deliberation, much like a double set trigger, single shot rifle, or shooting black powder. I did this on one of my TGs, even going so far as to 'machine' a new trigger blade for it and l love it, but it's simple enough to put your trigger finger behind the trigger and push it forward, or use two fingers from either hand. Just a thought!

Good Shooting, Shango

ShootsAtSky

· #20 · Mar 4, 2014

noshow said:
I was wishing to not have to remove/replace the mag with each round loaded. Something like an angled trough/ ramp to just lay the round in and let the bolt push it into the chamber. Crackedcornish has me thinking about adapting one of the "1 shot" mags by replacing the metal lips with a section of 1/4" plastic pipe or similar

Jumping in late, since it sounds like you're already headed in a different direction.

But, the left feed lip is actually the primary ejector on the 10/22, replacing it with a brittle plastic would be a bad (and probably short lived) idea.

Bob

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