just wondering has anybody tried one of these and do they affect accuracy ?and how would you install ?was surfing the web and saw that someone had put one on his remington 597 but he didnt say how good it worked looked like they cost 38 dollars !
They are used extensively in England on 22 cal air rifles. $38 bucks is the price over there....to get one here requires the $200 tax stamp, the background check, etc....Not worth the hassle, plus accuracy will deteriorate. Happy plinking.
That's mostly what I use, they are indestructible and compact. I have some that are as old as I am and still work perfectly. They can be taken apart to be cleaned as well. Mostly they are polished blue and look nice on blue guns. I posted a bunch of suppressor pics a few days ago under the post "Anyone have experience with Unique pistols?" Take a look. The attached pic is my 77/22 with PH steel can, the second is two BSA rifle projects with barrel profiles to match the suppressor, you can see where barrel ends and can begins. They're not the quietest but they are the prettiest and toughest. Not sure about US law to get them but they are the most common in England and have been around since WW2.
Subject to your getting your NFA licencing and tax sorted, these are a good piece of kit.
I'm pretty sure they are a 1/2" UNF thread, if not that, then they are certainly similar or close to that, but for sure they screw onto the barrel.
They will reduce the noise down on a 10/22 to the point where (when used with somthing like Winchester subsonic) the action is the noisest thing as it cycles.
If you use a bolt action the hammer can be heard dropping and then there is a thwack as the bullet makes contact at the business end.
If you encounter a group of say 1/2 dozen rabbits, you can shoot them at one end of the string and then the other and unless the thwack startled them and they spook you are almost certain of at least a second shot.
If they are feeding they will often do that obliging sit bolt upright and sniff the air routine (AKA shoot-me ).
However I believe you may have state law or Game and Fish regulation in the US that may prevent you from using one for hunting, you would need to check with the relevant agencies where you reside.
With regard to accuracy I use a PH moderator (thats the term we use over here not a silencer) an a number of rifles it doesnt affect accuracy but can have an effect on the point of impact with some ammunition (ie you may need to re-zero)
In some cases I have heard of rifles loosing their accuracy when the muzzle has been threaded to accept the moderator. This has been with barrels that were chocked or heavy bull barrels that have gone mushy and where the stresses have all moved at the muzzel when it has been machined.
Thanks Slims, I kinda like my BSAs. The International wood was chopped from the original match stock/forend. You would not believe the pile of sawdust I had around/on/in me when I did that job. I ground it all away with a rotary rasp sent to me by stockmaker Claude Gatewood. If you know what the International match stocks look like you can imagine the work.
The 1215 below it started as a Wenig stock. It had a bad 'hooky' pistol grip that I reshaped and the area behind the grip cap was crappy as well so I reshaped that as well. The forend was an ugly, blocky thing that I wudda been ashamed to beat someone with so I reshaped it into the drop-belly schnabel. The lever was easy to shape, blowtorch and a little patience.
I have another 1215 that I plan to rebarrel to a CF, probably Bee. I want it to be exactly the same as this 22LR so I have arranged to send the wood back to Wenig to be copied exactly (I don't trust my limited skill to get the 2nd one the same as this). If you want a copy e-mail me and we can arrange something with them. I know what you mean about not finding nice wood, I searched for 2 years before biting the bullet and altering the Wenig stock.
I have a Model 12 and a Model 13 now.I was thinking about an International,and after seeing yours its a real possibility. These rifles are relatively uncommon around here,and always start a conversation at the range. I have woodworking tools and patience and a MkII sporter would be a fun project. Suppressors are a big no-no in the States and you can get serious prison time for playing around with one.
The Parker Hale moderators use a 1/2" x 20 UNF thread.
In my experience, they don't affect accuracy but do affect the point of impact. They are very effective, and simple to maintain.
Our Pommie contributors can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that these aren't being made anymore as Parker Hale closed down (went bust, whatever).
The last one I bought was made by somebody else with a "made under licence for PH" note on the box.
You could probably tell me more than I can tell you about Parker Hale right now?
Their products have never ceased to be available, but they went through a very difficult time. They were of course the only official Smith & Wesson Distributor in the UK, then with the pistol ban their sales took a hefty knock.
With many UK Police forces abandoning the traditional revolver and going over to Glock's their business took a nose dive.
A couple of different companies seem to have taken over "bits" of their remaining business or product lineand that is about as much as can be said. The sound moderators and cleaning equipment seem to be readily available but that seems to be it.
Yea I have one of these , and for the money approx $40 USD they are good value, however if in the market for a can in Europe or any where else that has access to Brit or Finn gear.
My reccommendation would go to the Finnish Ase Utra rimfire model , it's a bit bigger and cost is approx $60USD but it is a better design and manufacture , and most importantly it is much quiter than the PH MM1 .
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