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Sent my p-22 back to S&W to fix FTF and also to inquire about some premature slide wear. They sent it back with new safety levers that were extremely hard to activate and a rather crude job of grinding on the top of the hammer.

Called them today and asked to talk with the person that repaired my gun. He told me the reason that the safety levers were replaced was that the safety would engage while firing. I told him that I had not had that happen in over 500 rounds of firing and he stated that it could happen without me even knowing it. I stated that I would know becase the next round would not fire if that were the case. He didn't have much for an answer. The next ? was why the grinding on the hammer? He stated that the hammer would catch on the round part of the safety and probably causes the FTF on the first couple of rounds in the mag. I work behind a gun counter and compared mine to a new one. Grinding on the hammer definately helps on the feed. On a new p-22 you can actually get thej slide to hang up on the safety cam if you try (let the slide down slow). I also asked why the rather crude grinding job (you can still see the file marks). He said that it should be polished and blued. Both of which didn't happen. If you have any other ?'s let me know. We sel a new 3" for $199.00 and a 5" for $249.00.
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So this is the reason Walther wants my three P-22's back?

Apparently they want to replace and grind parts. My guns work fine with the NEW redesigned magazines. I was promised new mags months ago and they still are not here. Maybe Walther USA will send my mags after I FedEx them a few boxes of Georgia granite (charged to their account).

It is a shame the way warranty work is handled. The P-22 is a great idea that just isn't going to work due to the idiots in customer service. I doubt it will have the longevity of the PP series of handguns.

The first email reply I got from Walther USA.
From: [email protected]
Date: Thu, December 5, 2002 2:21 pm
To: [email protected]

Hi,
Unfortunately, we are not sending the magazines out as a replacement. The
pistols are requested back for examination and then test firing. This is
the request of Walther Germany. If you would like to return the pistols,
please see attached for information to return at our expense.
Thank you,
Kf

The second reply.
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From: [email protected]
Date: Fri, December 6, 2002 5:24 am
To: [email protected]

I understand you are frustrated, but we have been directed by Walther in
Germany not to send magazines out without examining the handgun. Again, I
apologize that we cannot honor your request. per the attachement on the
previous email, I attached the instructions to return the pistols at our
expense for shipping. The pistols will be thoroughly examined and test
fired and returned to you within 2-3 weeks.
Thank you for your understanding in this matter.
Kate

$700.00 + of pistols, shipping, and FFL fees plus the cost of six new mags at $21.00 each. I guess Walther USA needs some $900.00 worth of shipping charges put on their FedEx account.
That is alot of Georgia rocks. Perhaps they will learn to be nicer and not take their customers for granite.
 
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M. Phelps, trade-in value of a P-22

I bought one last Friday night for $125.00. It jammed alot and the owner was trying to swap it in at the same shop he bought it from. He originally paid $239.00 back in June, a 3.42" barrel model. The dealer quit handling the P-22, did not want a used gun with problems, and offered $75.00 trade in value. I offered $125.00 if the dealer ran it through his books.

After a thorough cleaning, I shot it Saturday. It did jam frequently
with Federal and Blazer ammo. It shot Stingers and Mini Mags with no problems. Using my new style slotted mags, I only had two jams, one each Blazer and Federal. I put about 250 rounds through the gun that day. This gun is close in serial # range to two of my other P-22's.

My advice to you would be locate a new style mag to try in it first,
clean it thoroughly, use potent ammo. See if your problems clear up. I may have gotten lucky with this fourth P-22, but I think it shows all my problems with this model gun are magazine related.

My nephew gets the fourth gun, when I find some more magazines.
 
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"Beating a dead horse"

My guns serial numbers are all in the 5600-5800 range (all four).
The new mags work great in all four of these; so I have four guns and two mags right now. Walther-USA can kiss my behind, I am not sending my guns back to be ground and hammered on when all I need is two mags of a working design for each gun.

Someone here modified their own mags, maybe they will read this thread and post photos of their work. Another poster sells the mags for around $17.00, read some of the posts and try to find it. Good luck with your gun.

Overall, I like the P-22's options, size, weight, and design. I would love it if it worked, which it would IF Walther-USA would provide working magazines.

If you contact Walther-USA, ask to speak to Kate Fredette. She is no help, but supervises the dunces who answer the phones.

I might be able to find you a new style mag here in Atlanta, but I did pay $21.95 each for mine. The shop had several but they were a mixture of the old and new style. A friend and I bought all of the new ones. That same shop had three P-22's for sale, and one of them had one of each style mag in the box. I do not know if someone switched them or if it was shipped that way. I found that odd.

I am having company for the weekend and probably will not be back on line until Sunday, however.
 
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Mark Phelps, sorry for your loss of $$

on the P-22. I have owned nearly twenty Taurus handguns, all but one were revolvers, and they have given me excellent service. I have had seven or eight Walthers of various models, and these will be my last. The P-22 is a great idea that got mis-handled.

I am originally from High Point, have relatives in Rocky Mount.
 
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Duluth, GA (Atlanta)

Taurus has a great warranty. A buddy polished a brushed nickel
Taurus #82 .38 special until it looked like stainless steel. He over did it with the cylinder and polished so much away from the stop notches that the cylinder would not lock when cocked. Taurus installed a new cylinder and bead blasted the whole thing, free of charge. The gun was also used, he had not bought it new.

I now have two P-22 pistols. I may have none soon.
 
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