Offhand Handgun Matches Scores and Discussion

***15-Yd Scope***

DATE: 2/12/2021
SCORE:190 1X
NAME: jsenick Joe AGE: 70
LOCATION: Indoor
GUN: S&W Victory
GUN SETUP: _X__Scope ___Iron sights
AMMO: SK PistolMatch
INDIV TGTS SCORES: 33, 38, 36, 44 1X,39
NOTES, WEATHER - A boring 72 degrees - no wind.

***25-Yd Scope***

DATE: 2/12/2021
SCORE:90
NAME: jsenick Joe AGE: 70
LOCATION: Indoor
GUN: S&W Victory
GUN SETUP: _X__Scope ___Iron sights
AMMO: SK PistolMatch
INDIV TGTS SCORES: 18, 23, 12, 21, 16
NOTES, WEATHER - A boring 72 degrees - no wind.

Nice target Bob. I have to buy some of these targets. All I see is a black circle at 10 yards on a printed one.

Joe

As I feared, I'm out of my league here, but that's not gonna stop me.
Guys, we talked about shooting as much as you want, then posting the best effort. It's only about half way into this month, so I don't know whether these are entries or practice...i.e., do you want me to post them? If we get a bunch of interest, I'm not gonna want to wade through the month looking for the best of several reports for very many people. Maybe mark them practice or entry? However you want to do it, but let me know whether to post them on the scoreboard.
Thanks,
Dennis

jsenick said:

Nice target Bob. I have to buy some of these targets. All I see is a black circle at 10 yards on a printed one.

Joe

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Joe,

I changed to a 6 o'clock hold because regardless of which A23 I print, it's just a black dot for me as well. The lower hold lets me get front sight contrast on the white, since I have limited light indoors where I shoot.

They do make A23 targets that have a white center (I think it's through the 9 ring) but I don't have any I could print. And in some cases, ordering targets is as cheap or cheaper than printing them off your printer, depending on ink costs.

Ynned said:

As I feared, I'm out of my league here, but that's not gonna stop me.

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For me this is all about personal improvement. I have no doubt some very good to great shooters are going to find this and humble my scores. I'm good with that, as it proves I have something to aim for with my goals. With all the variations in hardware, experience, ammo, shooting conditions, vision, etc.... all I can do is try to improve myself.

I'm personally hoping that some of the top notch guys show up so we can learn from them.

Ynned said:

Guys, we talked about shooting as much as you want, then posting the best effort. It's only about half way into this month, so I don't know whether these are entries or practice...i.e., do you want me to post them? If we get a bunch of interest, I'm not gonna want to wade through the month looking for the best of several reports for very many people. Maybe mark them practice or entry? However you want to do it, but let me know whether to post them on the scoreboard.
Thanks,
Dennis

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For mine, I marked it as an entry since I want to work on differing things later this month. But I will roll with whatever way you want to do it. It seems to me just declaring it as practice or entry should make it easier for your scoreboard if things get busy.

Ynned said:

As I feared, I'm out of my league here, but that's not gonna stop me.
Guys, we talked about shooting as much as you want, then posting the best effort. It's only about half way into this month, so I don't know whether these are entries or practice...i.e., do you want me to post them? If we get a bunch of interest, I'm not gonna want to wade through the month looking for the best of several reports for very many people. Maybe mark them practice or entry? However you want to do it, but let me know whether to post them on the scoreboard.
Thanks,
Dennis

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This is what Bob does with rifle entries.

For Bob to know which score you want to have entered, it needs to be marked "ENTRY" in the top line.

It also makes it easier if the same entry format is used by everyone.

Signmaster said:

For me this is all about personal improvement. I have no doubt some very good to great shooters are going to find this and humble my scores. I'm good with that, as it proves I have something to aim for with my goals. With all the variations in hardware, experience, ammo, shooting conditions, vision, etc.... all I can do is try to improve myself.

I'm personally hoping that some of the top notch guys show up so we can learn from them.

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That's my view as well. In the rifle matches, there's a tier of a few guys who turn in some scores that are all the more amazing once you've tried and failed at lesser goals. It isn't an equipment race either; I've found focus and technique to be what limits me.

I've picked up tips generously offered by them. This has allowed me to improve, but that top tier is really an order of magnitude better. I'm OK with that.

Ynned said:

Man, I suck at this.

***15-Yd IRONS PRACTICE***

DATE: 02/14/2021
SCORE:115 - 0X
NAME Ynned, AGE: 68
LOCATION: Dad's Back Yard
GUN:Buckmark
GUN SETUP: ___Scope _x__Iron sights
AMMO:
INDIV TGTS SCORES:19,21,30,23,22
NOTES, WEATHER: 22°F, partly sunny...IOW no excuse except ability

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The people that suck at this are lucky to have a couple rounds hit the paper to score. With the short barrels of handguns that most of us own, it's always going to be a challenge. It gives us something to build on with technique, sight picture and adjustments, and the whole sequence of when we squeeze off the round.

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That's my view as well. In the rifle matches, there's a tier of a few guys who turn in some scores that are all the more amazing once you've tried and failed at lesser goals. It isn't an equipment race either; I've found focus and technique to be what limits me.

I've picked up tips generously offered by them. This has allowed my to improve, but that top tire is really an order of magnitude better. I'm OK with that.

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We are both on the same page here. I can only hope to shoot the scores some in the rifle matches are shooting, even if I upgraded hardware. Most of it is pure dedication and skillset in the case of that top tier.

At any level, we can absorb what the others do and see if it works for us. Also agreed on the hardware aspect. Unless a person is shooting pure crap hardware, the overall technique usually overcomes high end hardware in the hands of someone less skilled. And at some point we have to learn from our mistakes as well, and that might include hardware blame when it isn't the hardware.

Signmaster said:

Joe,

I changed to a 6 o'clock hold because regardless of which A23 I print, it's just a black dot for me as well. The lower hold lets me get front sight contrast on the white, since I have limited light indoors where I shoot.

They do make A23 targets that have a white center (I think it's through the 9 ring) but I don't have any I could print. And in some cases, ordering targets is as cheap or cheaper than printer them off your printer, depending on ink costs.

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Bob, I ordered 100 from Midway for $4. They will be here before I can go shooting again so that works for me. Thanks for the tip. I'll have to take the other weapons with me next time. I have a couple 22s with iron sites.

Bob4BVM said:

Actually, i quit doing it that way a long time ago. Just too many entries and folks sometimes lose track of a better score they might have shot earlier in the month.
So for the past 8 years I have been doing just what ynned feared... wading thru ALL the month's posts and grabbing each shooters best scores for the scoreboard.
For our typical ~30 entries each month, this takes me maybe 20 minutes to do, but i have developed a efficient system for doing it.
I see it as just part of what it takes to keep my match running well, so i don't mind it.

Ynned, if you want we can talk about it, PM me with phone number, its too much to write for a lousy typist like me
I can lead you thru it pretty fast if you are at the keyboard

BTW, aside from no longer requiring the "ENTRY" notation, everything else Zuki said about the rifle match is spot-on correct !

All the best,
Bob4BVM

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I've been thinking about this since I posted that. I can't have it both ways; either you get to have your best score counted, or you have to designate an attempt as an entry. I'm going to try it for a few months like Bob says, with me picking the best attempt out of however many times you want to try. Maybe I'll set up a simple spreadsheet to enter each attempt into as they are made, then at the end of the month I'll be able to pick the best at a glance to post. Anyway, let me see how it goes for a while.

Bob4BVM said:

Actually, i quit doing it that way a long time ago. Just too many entries and folks sometimes lose track of a better score they might have shot earlier in the month.

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It would be such an easy courtesy toward each of you to make compilation simpler than reading a month's worth of posts. I'd even add that anyone should be able to give you his entry for the month in a bolded line in the title of his detailed score report:

25 yard iron sight entry
zukiphile CMMG 20 inch Aguila SV 400-10x

zukiphile said:

It would be such an easy courtesy toward each of you to make compilation simpler than reading a month's worth of posts. I'd even add that anyone should be able to give you his entry for the month in a bolded line in the title of his detailed score report:

25 yard iron sight entry
zukiphile CMMG 20 inch Aguila SV 400-10x

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Yeah, sure
Heck i can't even get everyone to use the same entry form via cut & paste, let alone the same numerical format for the score itself so i don't have to reformat it,
after 8+ years of asking... (ie. 400-10X, not 400-10x )
Heck, i even had it set up to auto-parse the gun, ammo, score, & post# data from the standard entry form into the scoreboard spreadsheet, all of which was a lost cause if the form wasn't used !

But you know what , that is OK with me, I see this a labor of love anyway. My overarching goal is to have the match as simple & accessible as possible, to as many people as possible, with as few "disqualifications" as possible.
We have had many dedicated shooters at our match, not all of them are tops at their computer game but they love to shoot. So i accept whatever the Good Lord sends my way .
Cheers
Bob

Ynned said:

I've been thinking about this since I posted that. I can't have it both ways; either you get to have your best score counted, or you have to designate an attempt as an entry. I'm going to try it for a few months like Bob says, with me picking the best attempt out of however many times you want to try. Maybe I'll set up a simple spreadsheet to enter each attempt into as they are made, then at the end of the month I'll be able to pick the best at a glance to post. Anyway, let me see how it goes for a while.

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Ynned,
IME, if you want to make this thing a go, you might have to cut em a bit of slack.
Designating entries is the ideal but not the real world for some it seems. I tried that early on and a few stuck to it, but shooters also come and go. So you are constantly re-training your new comers, of scaring them away when their attempts don't get counted... It's more work for you than just scanning all the Month's scores.

Like i said earlier, it is a very fast process to do at month's end and you don't need a spreadsheet, just a pen & paper. Let's get on the phone...
Cheers
Bob