Went out to shoot my new .17 for the third time today. Man this thing is still amazing me. The other day when I shot it I shot a 100yd sub 1/4" group with the cci tnt's. Today on the way to the range, I picked up some CCI VMax 17gr and some CCI hollow points. I have been reading that most of the newer savages love the 20 grain rounds, but mine does not at all. It sprays them in at least twice as big of groups as any of the 17grains I have tried. Anyway, after a few warm up sub 1" groups at 100yds, I moved a target out to 200 to see what I could do. I shot 3 different 4 shot groups with the cci vmax 17grainers, and was very impressed to say the least. The largest of the 3 groups is around 2" give or take, the middle size group about 1.5" and the smallest of the 3 groups is around 1 and 1/16" or so. Not to bad with an old bushy 3-9 x 40....got a bushnell banner 6-18 x 40 in the mail! There was a mild crosswind that was pushing me right of the bull a couple of inches, but I just held high above the big 1" red bull and let them rip. Also went out in the middle of a big field afterwards and smoked a couple of birds at about 150yds. Man this thing is so much fun and an Awesome gun!