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I don't know how or when but someone I've got to arrange a play date with you and your toys!
Too bad I'm how many hundred miles away??? :bonk:
My former "anti" wife joined us at the range today
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I don't know how or when but someone I've got to arrange a play date with you and your toys!
Too bad I'm how many hundred miles away??? :bonk:
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Sheesh!BudF said:
Anyway, I haven't been shooting long myself, and I was a little surprised at the number of women (teenage and younger, too) at the ranges. I noticed that they tend to take it all very seriously. And it ain't all "little" guns. Today, the 16yr or so old next to me with her grampa was banging away with a 1911! It rocked her a little, but she was in the middle of that big range target, at 25yds, with every round. I haven't fired a .45 yet.
Did I mention she looked all of 90lbs?
Step aside, boys.
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I love this thread!
I am a rifle guy all the way, but over the years it seems as though the .22 automatic pistol is the #1 converter of reluctant shooters. I'd better get one, though my wife has been hunting since she was 12 years old so I don't have to convince her to shoot.
Not sure what makes the 'anti gun' people tick. It is more than just the gun...could be fear of the unknown or something taught to them from a young age, or something political. Some may feel that shooting a gun would go against their personal politics or something. Anyway, at times I get a visceral negative reaction if I mention guns or shooting. You can see the body language.
Seems that many of them seem to come around if they actually have the courage to lay the predispositions aside and give it a try. :t
PAndy
I am a rifle guy all the way, but over the years it seems as though the .22 automatic pistol is the #1 converter of reluctant shooters. I'd better get one, though my wife has been hunting since she was 12 years old so I don't have to convince her to shoot.
Not sure what makes the 'anti gun' people tick. It is more than just the gun...could be fear of the unknown or something taught to them from a young age, or something political. Some may feel that shooting a gun would go against their personal politics or something. Anyway, at times I get a visceral negative reaction if I mention guns or shooting. You can see the body language.
Seems that many of them seem to come around if they actually have the courage to lay the predispositions aside and give it a try. :t
PAndy
PAndy,
As I said when I first posted, my wife was raised to believe ANY firearm in the hands of ANYONE other than a LEO or Military was criminal and evil. Her father is still an ardent supporter of Handgun Control Inc, Kerry, and Klinton. I have taught all of his grandchildren, but one, how to shoot safely and have fun, once they had turned 18 and could make an adult decision.
He really is an ok guy, almost 90 years old, we just don't discuss firearms or politics when we see each other.
If a lie is told long enough and often enough, people will start to believe it's true. Once they find out the truth...
As I said when I first posted, my wife was raised to believe ANY firearm in the hands of ANYONE other than a LEO or Military was criminal and evil. Her father is still an ardent supporter of Handgun Control Inc, Kerry, and Klinton. I have taught all of his grandchildren, but one, how to shoot safely and have fun, once they had turned 18 and could make an adult decision.
He really is an ok guy, almost 90 years old, we just don't discuss firearms or politics when we see each other.
If a lie is told long enough and often enough, people will start to believe it's true. Once they find out the truth...
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Yeah my Mrs was very anti hunting/shooting when I met her, a month ago she bought me a Mossberg 195KA 12gauge, I had nothing to teach her with till the other day I got a 44-40 that is light and I can load mild loads for her she just doesn't want to hear hunting stories. LOL
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Thats the present after I played with the stock a little bit
Thats the present after I played with the stock a little bit
I don't understand how some of y'all marry these anti-gun women?!? How can you be around someone like that? I'm not being smart, I really don't understand. I have some old friends that live in Kalifornia that are visiting this week and I can barely stand to be around them! They didn't used to be as bad way back when we were young but now all they do is spout their liberal opinion on everything and rant if you don't agree with them. Luckily my "partner" or whatever the polically correct term is these days (we are both women) is also a gun enthusiast. You can just imagine how popular I am in "certain circles" with my gun collection, deer heads on the wall, and horror of all horrors, AN AMERICAN FLAG ON MY HOUSE!!!!!!
But if I can meet a like minded female gun enthusiast it ought to be easier for y'all to find one. And if I can't put up with these silly females how do y'all do it?
I should have asked this last week before I had visitors.
But if I can meet a like minded female gun enthusiast it ought to be easier for y'all to find one. And if I can't put up with these silly females how do y'all do it?
I should have asked this last week before I had visitors.
My fun day with the kalifornia anti libs"
Libs were supposed to come by my house to pick me up to go to Savannah Wildlife Refuge to see gators. Got first call around 1030, they finally got here about 1400, no big deal, I did some chores on my day off work.
We start out on our journey but have to get some starbucks coffee first, and put some water on ice. I grabbed some bug spray as it's very hot and muggy this time of year with lots of insects. I also packed the water, and we headed out in rush hour traffic to get coffee. Some starbucks coffee customers had on anti-bush type t-shirts resulting in minor ranting and opinions. I keep my mouth shut.
Eventually get to the refuge which is a basically just a scenic drive with some causeways you can walk on between the canals and marshes, most of it is underwater and is in 2 states, GA and SC, so if you are hunting you need to be mindful of what state you are in if you do not have a licence in each state. My "friend" brought this up a few days ago and they were mindboggled that "hunting was allowed" in a wildlife management area. I won't get into details here.
There were storm warnings earlier in the day and very dark clouds with lighting in the distance, it made for a nice dramatic sky. We had to stop at the restroom first, then we had to go back to find lost cigarettes. Couldn't find them, (found them later in one of the libs bras, that's where she stashes them sometimes). One lib said to the other something about the storms but the other one did not understand why we thought it might rain. I mention this because I would think a self proclaimed genious might associate dark clouds, lightening and thunder with rain.
Off we go, stopping to read the signs about controlled burns and other managment techniques. Had to hear a diatribe about how wrong every sign was, one told the other she should work in a park instead of teach history. It is summer and the grass was very high but we did see 2 gators. It was pretty cool. Didn't see the usual birds but different species nest at differernt time of the year so that's to be expected. Someone was fishing from a bridge, there was a comment to the effect of "is that allowed?". At the beginning of the drive there was a sign posted with all the rules and yes, fishing is "allowed".
We are driving about 10 miles and hour down a one way road just wide enough for a vehicle to go around another vehicle. A truck drives up behind us but we (I wasn't driving) don't pull to the side to let them pass. There was some namecalling of the anonomous men in truck and finally the poor fellas manage to go around us. We come up on another truck, comments were projected on this poor fella implying he "wants to build a parking lot here"
We continue to drive and I mention some pigs we saw at one time but I didn't think there were any pigs anymore. The libs make more negative comments because they don't understand they aren't "wild pigs" but feral pigs that damage the natural environment and many things have been tried to eradicate them, including hunting and trapping.
We come up on another man putting a boat in the water. They comment on how boats aren't "allowed". I remind them that the sign does indeed state boats with electric motors are allowed. So far we have not left the car or drank any water. The "jerks" that want the parking lot built are looking through binoculars, pulled off to the side. We sit in the middle of the road and make derogotory comments about them while blocking the road from the folks behind us (opps, excuse me, the "jerks") so they could not get around (everybody in a pickup truck is a "jerk" especially old men). We are not getting out but sitting there in the middle of the road thus creating a lot of confusion. Somehow the poor folks behind us mange to get by. I get out of the car to see what the parking lot building jerks are looking at. They are bird watchers from Charleston SC looking at some anhingas. So much for all men in pick-up trucks being evil develpers. The nature experts still have not gotten out of the car.
Eventually we get to the end of the road and go to another historic site where I am tortured some more. I won't go into any more details but it's more of the same.
Later that night (a very long night) everybody goes to bed but me and one of the libs. Personally I like B sci fi movies but a guest can view anything they want. We are watching the comedy channel which is supposed to be funny but its the daily show and colin powell is the guest. I'm no colin powell fan myself but questions are being asked and he is answering them like you would expect a politcian to. The lib keeps yelling "oh, your a liar, that's not right, that didn't happen" ect ect and goes into the other room to discuss the matter with the other lib. I think she has gone to bed and try to change the channel but she keeps coming back so I change it back. More yelling and leaving to discuss whatever was last being said. I go to bed. Today I hid under the covers till they left to torture some other poor soul.
That's just a small recap. The reality was much worse. I think I'm pretty liberal in some ways but conservative in some ways, I don't blindly accept all dogma from either party as I can think for myself and pick and choose, a lot of people havn't figured out that it's permissable to disagree with some issues of the party you are affiliated with. I think I fit in to mainstream america pretty good and have friends with a lot of different views but I've never been subjected to idiocy like this before and it embarasses me.
Me and the one lib goes back a long way, over 20 years and they have never been this narrow minded and negative before although they have come pretty close. They had planned on visiting other mutual friends during their visit to the east coast but for some reason they all either have other plans or don't return calls. Now I know why.
It saddens me because we do go back a long time and I can no longer relate to them in even a small way. They are no fun to be around and I can't wait till they leave. There seems to be a lack of "diversity" in the liberal/gay community that I don't think was there years ago. I am more comfortable around my religious zealot friends than I am these people. For all their liberal ranting they don't have a single black friend and frequently imply how "right winged" I am in spite of having aqaintances and friends of all creeds and colors. I've even been told I "hate my own kind" whatever in the hell that means. Even in the most radical of gun sites there is room for disagreement. I like to go to ar15.com but at first it was kind of shocking. Then I realized for every dip**** making an idiotic post there was a few other people presenting a differant side of the issue and I found the lively debates there pretty entertaining. If I don't like something I simply quit reading it and go on to the next thread.
Sorry for the long rant but I'm kind of depressed right now. I can't related to my old pal any longer and I think she is representative of a lot of people in our country. They claim to be open minded and "diverse" but are anything but. They project negative qualities upon complete strangers and rant about it. They sterotype just about everyone and God help you if your opinion on something differs from thiers. They constantly espouse their opinion on everything but have no respect for anybody elses. They are also "experts" of nature and history even though they not only have no formal education in the matter but haven't so much as gone on a camping trip ever.
I think our country is in real trouble.
Libs were supposed to come by my house to pick me up to go to Savannah Wildlife Refuge to see gators. Got first call around 1030, they finally got here about 1400, no big deal, I did some chores on my day off work.
We start out on our journey but have to get some starbucks coffee first, and put some water on ice. I grabbed some bug spray as it's very hot and muggy this time of year with lots of insects. I also packed the water, and we headed out in rush hour traffic to get coffee. Some starbucks coffee customers had on anti-bush type t-shirts resulting in minor ranting and opinions. I keep my mouth shut.
Eventually get to the refuge which is a basically just a scenic drive with some causeways you can walk on between the canals and marshes, most of it is underwater and is in 2 states, GA and SC, so if you are hunting you need to be mindful of what state you are in if you do not have a licence in each state. My "friend" brought this up a few days ago and they were mindboggled that "hunting was allowed" in a wildlife management area. I won't get into details here.
There were storm warnings earlier in the day and very dark clouds with lighting in the distance, it made for a nice dramatic sky. We had to stop at the restroom first, then we had to go back to find lost cigarettes. Couldn't find them, (found them later in one of the libs bras, that's where she stashes them sometimes). One lib said to the other something about the storms but the other one did not understand why we thought it might rain. I mention this because I would think a self proclaimed genious might associate dark clouds, lightening and thunder with rain.
Off we go, stopping to read the signs about controlled burns and other managment techniques. Had to hear a diatribe about how wrong every sign was, one told the other she should work in a park instead of teach history. It is summer and the grass was very high but we did see 2 gators. It was pretty cool. Didn't see the usual birds but different species nest at differernt time of the year so that's to be expected. Someone was fishing from a bridge, there was a comment to the effect of "is that allowed?". At the beginning of the drive there was a sign posted with all the rules and yes, fishing is "allowed".
We are driving about 10 miles and hour down a one way road just wide enough for a vehicle to go around another vehicle. A truck drives up behind us but we (I wasn't driving) don't pull to the side to let them pass. There was some namecalling of the anonomous men in truck and finally the poor fellas manage to go around us. We come up on another truck, comments were projected on this poor fella implying he "wants to build a parking lot here"
We continue to drive and I mention some pigs we saw at one time but I didn't think there were any pigs anymore. The libs make more negative comments because they don't understand they aren't "wild pigs" but feral pigs that damage the natural environment and many things have been tried to eradicate them, including hunting and trapping.
We come up on another man putting a boat in the water. They comment on how boats aren't "allowed". I remind them that the sign does indeed state boats with electric motors are allowed. So far we have not left the car or drank any water. The "jerks" that want the parking lot built are looking through binoculars, pulled off to the side. We sit in the middle of the road and make derogotory comments about them while blocking the road from the folks behind us (opps, excuse me, the "jerks") so they could not get around (everybody in a pickup truck is a "jerk" especially old men). We are not getting out but sitting there in the middle of the road thus creating a lot of confusion. Somehow the poor folks behind us mange to get by. I get out of the car to see what the parking lot building jerks are looking at. They are bird watchers from Charleston SC looking at some anhingas. So much for all men in pick-up trucks being evil develpers. The nature experts still have not gotten out of the car.
Eventually we get to the end of the road and go to another historic site where I am tortured some more. I won't go into any more details but it's more of the same.
Later that night (a very long night) everybody goes to bed but me and one of the libs. Personally I like B sci fi movies but a guest can view anything they want. We are watching the comedy channel which is supposed to be funny but its the daily show and colin powell is the guest. I'm no colin powell fan myself but questions are being asked and he is answering them like you would expect a politcian to. The lib keeps yelling "oh, your a liar, that's not right, that didn't happen" ect ect and goes into the other room to discuss the matter with the other lib. I think she has gone to bed and try to change the channel but she keeps coming back so I change it back. More yelling and leaving to discuss whatever was last being said. I go to bed. Today I hid under the covers till they left to torture some other poor soul.
That's just a small recap. The reality was much worse. I think I'm pretty liberal in some ways but conservative in some ways, I don't blindly accept all dogma from either party as I can think for myself and pick and choose, a lot of people havn't figured out that it's permissable to disagree with some issues of the party you are affiliated with. I think I fit in to mainstream america pretty good and have friends with a lot of different views but I've never been subjected to idiocy like this before and it embarasses me.
Me and the one lib goes back a long way, over 20 years and they have never been this narrow minded and negative before although they have come pretty close. They had planned on visiting other mutual friends during their visit to the east coast but for some reason they all either have other plans or don't return calls. Now I know why.
It saddens me because we do go back a long time and I can no longer relate to them in even a small way. They are no fun to be around and I can't wait till they leave. There seems to be a lack of "diversity" in the liberal/gay community that I don't think was there years ago. I am more comfortable around my religious zealot friends than I am these people. For all their liberal ranting they don't have a single black friend and frequently imply how "right winged" I am in spite of having aqaintances and friends of all creeds and colors. I've even been told I "hate my own kind" whatever in the hell that means. Even in the most radical of gun sites there is room for disagreement. I like to go to ar15.com but at first it was kind of shocking. Then I realized for every dip**** making an idiotic post there was a few other people presenting a differant side of the issue and I found the lively debates there pretty entertaining. If I don't like something I simply quit reading it and go on to the next thread.
Sorry for the long rant but I'm kind of depressed right now. I can't related to my old pal any longer and I think she is representative of a lot of people in our country. They claim to be open minded and "diverse" but are anything but. They project negative qualities upon complete strangers and rant about it. They sterotype just about everyone and God help you if your opinion on something differs from thiers. They constantly espouse their opinion on everything but have no respect for anybody elses. They are also "experts" of nature and history even though they not only have no formal education in the matter but haven't so much as gone on a camping trip ever.
I think our country is in real trouble.
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Gee, they sound like some conservatives I know...gitarmac said:
And I hate to have to break it to some of you, but pro gun/anti gun isn't even something I consider when deciding if someone is worthy of my friendship/affection etc, any more than if they are a hockey fan or not.
For every single possible topic we could discuss here the same spectrum of responces is possible, from Utra-for to Ultra-against. Our particular topic just happens to be one that is mentioned in the Constitution of the USA. I believe that a lot of the anti-gun sentiment is from poor reporting in the media (doubt many would disagree there) and I applaud the job some of us are able to do when we convert someone.
Sorry to rant,
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Gitarmac, Great post, I too have some old friends and relatives with some very dogmatic outlooks on life and firearms , In many ways these people have not really grown up, they see the world in black and white like a child not the many shades of gray we encounter daily, they talk about diversity but are intolerent of any views but their own, I have learned not to discuss politics, sex, religion or guns with these people, which makes it hard to maintain a serious relationship and exchange real ideas. I miss most the open mindness and kindness I we once shared. People change, not always for the best, the good news is I seem to find nice people on a regular basis, many who shoot, the rest I try to take shooting.Olypenn22
She's going to be one of "us" now
We're going out Saturday to let her pick out "her" rifle. I sold a .223 Varmint rifle that was collecting dust and hadn't been shot more than 200-300 times, in the 4 years that I have had it. That is the ONLY way she would allow me to purchase one for her own. "Sell one you don't shoot anymore, so I can have one in its place." Fair enough...I've become more diplomatic as I age.
We're going out Saturday to let her pick out "her" rifle. I sold a .223 Varmint rifle that was collecting dust and hadn't been shot more than 200-300 times, in the 4 years that I have had it. That is the ONLY way she would allow me to purchase one for her own. "Sell one you don't shoot anymore, so I can have one in its place." Fair enough...I've become more diplomatic as I age.
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I too remember when the wife wasn't sure about firearms. This was partly due to being born in the city and not having knowledge excpet from the media and partly from the army training she did not recieve. I feel that the training received in Basic was just that. So her understanding of Firearms was limited( she did like the uzi) to basic training and the few 2 times she got to go to the range in permanent party. I told her that shooting wasn't really like that but that the safety training she had would serve her well. Now she has her own guns and hunts squirrels with me in Shawnee National forest every september. I am glad we are getting some converts. She Shares my NRA newsletters and writes congressmen and other politicians on our behalf she is now proactive. Ya done good.
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Those weren't liberals, gitarmac, they were rude and inconsiderate, uh, people (no cussin' here, right?). Do you know any rude and inconsiderate people who live in your neck of the woods?
Anyway, if you're ever out to California, check out Pt. Reyes National Seashore. No, you can't shoot nothing, but I promise you'll be inpressed. Stop by. I'll buy you a beer and teach you a thing or two about real liberalism.
oldlib, but a heck of a nice guy.
Anyway, if you're ever out to California, check out Pt. Reyes National Seashore. No, you can't shoot nothing, but I promise you'll be inpressed. Stop by. I'll buy you a beer and teach you a thing or two about real liberalism.
oldlib, but a heck of a nice guy.
Liberal, in the dictionary sense of the word, is not a bad thing. Unfortunately, what we currently call a liberal is more equivalent to someone so open minded that their brain fell out. The behavior of some of them is insane. To hate an inanimate (sp?) object is stupid, to hate a group of people who happen to own that particular object is sociopathic.
I know that technically their "problem" isn't their point of view or their liberalism, it's just that they happen to be "liberals" and are very irritating. And I know they aren't any different from opinionated conservatives but since I had to spend the day with them and listen to the ranting all day it made an impression. Plus, the "ultra conservatives" wouldn't be hanging around someone like me anyway so I have the luxury of not having to listen to them.
My visitors have opinions on EVERYTHING, not only guns. I could understand if they were just anti-gun based on sincere antigun feelings but they don't even think for themselves anymore. If a point of view is not "permitted" by whatever group or creed they are into these days then they simply do not have that opinion, regardless of the fact they did have that opinion before the "Bush administration" took up the cause. Case in point, social security, before Bush proposed changes the one individual actually believed individual accounts were a good idea.
I have other friends whose views differ from mine and we respect each others right to those views enough to not bring them up. We have other things in common and focus on that. These gals don't really have any other interests than yapping about politics.
But back to the topic, that's great for y'all that managed to get your wives to come around. I guess it's an important issue for me and although I have friends that are "anti-gun" it would be hard to live with someone like that. I did once and it was more like having a liability than a partner. Some people don't believe in that folks have a right to defend themselves, even when attacted in their own home. I don't understand that line of thinking.
OK, I'll shut up now, I promise.
My visitors have opinions on EVERYTHING, not only guns. I could understand if they were just anti-gun based on sincere antigun feelings but they don't even think for themselves anymore. If a point of view is not "permitted" by whatever group or creed they are into these days then they simply do not have that opinion, regardless of the fact they did have that opinion before the "Bush administration" took up the cause. Case in point, social security, before Bush proposed changes the one individual actually believed individual accounts were a good idea.
I have other friends whose views differ from mine and we respect each others right to those views enough to not bring them up. We have other things in common and focus on that. These gals don't really have any other interests than yapping about politics.
But back to the topic, that's great for y'all that managed to get your wives to come around. I guess it's an important issue for me and although I have friends that are "anti-gun" it would be hard to live with someone like that. I did once and it was more like having a liability than a partner. Some people don't believe in that folks have a right to defend themselves, even when attacted in their own home. I don't understand that line of thinking.
OK, I'll shut up now, I promise.
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I'll shut up too, as soon as.....
I agree with you all. That's why I said they're [strike through]*******s[/strike through], not liberals. There are more of us (libs) around, shooting, than you think.
I love target shooting, and I love having women at the range when I shoot.
oldlib, gathering up his branes.
I agree with you all. That's why I said they're [strike through]*******s[/strike through], not liberals. There are more of us (libs) around, shooting, than you think.
I love target shooting, and I love having women at the range when I shoot.
oldlib, gathering up his branes.
oLdlib, you sure you a lib ? All my liberal buddies don't believe in guns in the hands of the populace and/or hunting. Maybe you are a conservative with some liberal ideas. I know that people say if you're from Berkeley you have to be one, but you sound too much like most of us. Come on, fess up. We won't tell the Berkelites.
? All my liberal buddies don't believe in guns in the hands of the populace and/or hunting. Maybe you are a conservative with some liberal ideas. I know that people say if you're from Berkeley you have to be one, but you sound too much like most of us. Come on, fess up. We won't tell the Berkelites.
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Oh oh, now you went and asked.
I'm a liberal alright;
I don't hunt. I just don't get it, in spite of all the explanations from buddies who do. Shooting coyotes, ground hogs, cats and squirrels etc. ??? Please, don't tell me the old "helping ranchers" story. But I'll do nothing to curtail hunting in general.
I don't agree with the NRA, and I've read and heard their, uh, theories.
I'm not convinced that the 2nd speaks to my right to own a gun. Again, I've discussed and studied all the theories. I feel I have that right in spite of that ammendment.
I think, so far, that Hillary could make a fine 1st female president. We need to start somewhere.
I miss Bill Clinton, and don't admire George Bush, the younger.
I'll fight for your rights as hard as for my own.
I support the people of the armed forces.
Shall I continue? There's plenty more.
oldlib
I'm a liberal alright;
I don't hunt. I just don't get it, in spite of all the explanations from buddies who do. Shooting coyotes, ground hogs, cats and squirrels etc. ??? Please, don't tell me the old "helping ranchers" story. But I'll do nothing to curtail hunting in general.
I don't agree with the NRA, and I've read and heard their, uh, theories.
I'm not convinced that the 2nd speaks to my right to own a gun. Again, I've discussed and studied all the theories. I feel I have that right in spite of that ammendment.
I think, so far, that Hillary could make a fine 1st female president. We need to start somewhere.
I miss Bill Clinton, and don't admire George Bush, the younger.
I'll fight for your rights as hard as for my own.
I support the people of the armed forces.
Shall I continue? There's plenty more.
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