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I purchased a 1980 Remington LH 581 back in December. Instead of giving the gun a good cleaning, I ran a bore snake through it a few time, it looked good so tried it out. I was very happy with the way the gun shot for the first 300 or so rounds then accuracy started to deteriorate. So I gathered up 3 brass brushes , a ten pack of nylon brushes and 500 patches. I'm using Boretech rimfire cleaner and Hoppe's #9. I've worn out the three brass brushes and used about 300 patches. The Rimfire cleaner will eat the brass brushes so going forward just nylon with the Boretech and Hoppe's for the brass. UPS dropped off some more cleaning supplies today and I've spent about 2 hours this afternoon cleaning, probably 50 more patches.

It seems just as dirty after all this as it did when I first started.

Now I remember why I bought a Foul out system years ago.

Has anyone ever tried Easyoff Oven Cleaner?
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It's a shame that Outers no longer makes the foul-out setup. It is the cats meow for getting either lead or copper out of a bore. Set it up and walk away.

Can try some bronze wool wrapped around a brush. Or some strands of all copper pot scrubber (Chore boy). They are more aggressive but bore safe.

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Oh, popcorn sounds REALLY good! I need to run to the store.
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Not long after joining RFC I started buying Microwave Pop Corn in the bulk packs (Movie style extra butter), just didn't make sense not too. 😁
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Toomany22s
The hulls get stuck in my teeth. And I cant seem to get them all out easily😜
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Put some of the JB paste on a bronze brush and give it 20-40 strokes. Patch out with a wet patch and then repeat a few times. Take a look with your borescope. Wet patch with Kroil overnight. Repeat the next day until you can see the lands and grooves.
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I worked on it for about 30 minutes last night with the bore paste. It definitely made a difference. I used patches but will try it with a brush.^

I have an Outer's Foul Out unit but ran out of the Leadout solution long ago.
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I can't find an answer in the FAQ, but is it possible to attach pdf documents to a reply?
I have information for the foul-out device, and recipes for the two types of solution, that I'd like to post here.
It may be of help to some of you.
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OK, I've found another way :)
For those of you with a DIY trait, and a modicum of sensibility regarding the handling of chemicals, the attached documents are the circuit of an improved foul-out electrolysis type device, and the chemical make-up of solutions for removing lead and copper (two solutions).
It may help some of you.
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No1_49er said:
OK, I've found another way :)
For those of you with a DIY trait, and a modicum of sensibility regarding the handling of chemicals, the attached documents are the circuit of an improved foul-out electrolysis type device, and the chemical make-up of solutions for removing lead and copper (two solutions).
It may help some of you. View attachment 299273 View attachment 299274
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I know where my electrical unit is. I'll need to see if I can find the rest of the kit. If I can, I'll get the stuff to do the Cop out and the Lead out. I never used it for lead but the way it pulled copper was like magic.
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Making headway. The JB bore paste exposed the top of the land. YAY!!! it still has lands. I was beginning to wonder.
The lead caked along to side of the lands was not coming very well so I tries some of the Frontier Metal Cleaner strands wrapped around one of the wore out brass brushes. Wow! It really removed the majority of the lead.
I can now see the pits, tool marks and past sins of previous owners.
There is still some lead and carbon coming out using brass brushes and patches. I just used up the second pack of patches. It was a smaller pack with 250 patches so I'm at 750 patches so far.
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Making headway. The JB bore paste exposed the top of the land. YAY!!! it still has lands. I was beginning to wonder.
The lead caked along to side of the lands was not coming very well so I tries some of the Frontier Metal Cleaner strands wrapped around one of the wore out brass brushes. Wow! It really removed the majority of the lead.
I can now see the pits, tool marks and past sins of previous owners.
There is still some lead and carbon coming out using brass brushes and patches. I just used up the second pack of patches. It was a smaller pack with 250 patches so I'm at 750 patches so far.
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My arms got tired just from reading this!!
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What I’M interested in is how many rounds it will take to get it shooting again if the deep clean leaves accuracy wanting, which has been my experience many times over. And YES, I too would let my OCD streak drive the brush & get it clean!!!
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WOW! 750 patches! That must be some kind of a record! I hope your stubborn determination yields good results!
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Toomany22s said:
The hulls get stuck in my teeth. And I cant seem to get them all out easily😜
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Well just do what I did. Get dentures and you can take them out and work them over. Lol😬
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What I’M interested in is how many rounds it will take to get it shooting again if the deep clean leaves accuracy wanting, which has been my experience many times over. And YES, I too would let my OCD streak drive the brush & get it clean!!!
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I'll post that info when I'm through and start shooting. As bad as the inside of this barrel looks I may wish it was still leaded up.
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The rifle may still shoot stellar even with bad pitting as long as the crown and last little bit of the lands/groves are good.


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Some bore scope pictures. Note the layer of lead caked on what would be the left hand side on the top land.

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Carbon still in the chamber.

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Heavy carbon about halfway down the barrel.

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The right hand land is completely covered in lead and the left hand land has lead caked on both sides. This is about 10 inches from the crown.

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This land has a step in it. Note how the right side of it is lower than the left. It runs this way for about 4 inches before it stops. This is the left hand land in the previous picture. You can see right in the middle of the land in that picture where it step stops.

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