Daisy 853C Barrel Stabilizer

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vet6771

Discussion Starter · Feb 2, 2021

I disassembled my CMP used Daisy 853C today and was following steps in a set of online videos. At one point the narrator showed a small flatish square of material that he called the "barrel stabilizer." It was fit between the barrel and the piston housing. Supposedly it reduces barrel movement and improves accuracy. I could not find this part on the parts diagram in the 853(C) manual. Is anyone familiar with this part? Is it still available? Is the lack of the part likely to affect accuracy?

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Kestrel4k

· #2 · Feb 2, 2021 (Edited)

I think I know the part you are referring to; that small black plastic square about the size of a fingernail.
I always thought it would be pretty easy to slip out during disassembly & get sidetracked.

First thing is I'd call Daisy - the last time I talked with one of their techs re: my 853, they were definitely helpful & knowledgeable.
Which is why I've been sweating when (not if) they'll eliminate that department.

If I needed to fabricate a substitute, I would clip out a piece of neoprene or something ?

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pans858

· #3 · Feb 2, 2021

I shoot them with and without it. Regarding function, Daisy saw fit to include the part, so I have no doubt it is of some, minor benefit, just not for my purpose.
Note that I have never tested for accuracy and I have never shot my 853's from a bench. I shoot my 853's exclusively from the standing, unsupported position, and as such, I see no accuracy difference. Therefore, I would make some small effort to find the part, but I would not worry too much about it.

This does give me an idea... I may 3D print one just for grins.

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vet6771

Discussion Starter · #4 · Feb 2, 2021

Kestrel4k said:
I think I know the part you are referring to; that small black plastic square about the size of a fingernail.
I always thought it would be pretty easy to slip out during disassembly & get sidetracked.

First thing is I'd call Daisy - the last time I talked with one of their techs re: my 853, they were definitely helpful & knowledgeable.
Which is why I've been sweating when (not if) they'll eliminate that department.

If I needed to fabricate a substitute, I would clip out a piece of neoprene or something ?

I called Daisy today to place an order for some other parts, and the lady I spoke with wasn't familiar with the part. I offered to send her a picture (which I did) and she is going to forward it to one of their gunsmiths (or is it airsmith?)

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Kestrel4k

· #5 · Feb 2, 2021

If you do place an order, also get one of the improved trigger guards that already have the threaded hole for the adjustable sear set screw.
Although that mod can be done at home, those trigger guards make it much easier & they are quite inexpensive.

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vet6771

Discussion Starter · #6 · Feb 4, 2021

Here's the answer I got from Daisy regarding the part in question. My customer service rep sent me this quote from the Daisy Quality Manager:

"That part does not belong on the Model 853. You wont find it on the 853 drawing. That part was available on similar models. Some people like to use them across the board to take up slack in older guns. There's no harm in that. "

That might explain why some people find them in their rifle and others don't. Prior owners might have added one or not. I guess I'll get one now that I know the part number (132084-000) supplied by a helpful member of the GTA Airgun forum.

Thanks for the comments.

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Kestrel4k

· #7 · Feb 4, 2021

Hmm, that is interesting. Maybe 8 years ago, I purchased my 853 NIB (might have been NOS), and I think it had that insert.

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Blinged

· #8 · Mar 2, 2021 (Edited)

Thank you to Kestrel4k who pointed me here from a similar thread on the CMP Forum...

That Daisy Quality Manager must be a young'un...they were part of the 753's and 853's from at least the mid 90's when I first had to start resealing these guns. Daisy must have lost some institutional knowledge over the years. The Quality Manager I've dealt with is Anthony S and while he is great at what he does and knowledgeable...he is a young'un!!

I'm not sure they do a whole lot functionally. I'm guessing they were there to keep the barrel band from pulling the barrel into contact with the frame. I coach at a High School Air Rifle program, and have had these guns apart literally hundreds of times and most times, those spacers have little to no pressure exerted on them. If I were determined to replace that spacer and didn't have access to the genuine part, I'd probably put a dab of hot glue there to approximate the spacer (hot glue would probably work better as it would stay in place versus that spacer that slides around and falls out the first chance it gets as you disassemble the gun.
If I swept the floor I'd probably turn up at least a handful of those spacers.

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Blinged

· #9 · Mar 2, 2021

Kestrel4k said:
If you do place an order, also get one of the improved trigger guards that already have the threaded hole for the adjustable sear set screw.
Although that mod can be done at home, those trigger guards make it much easier & they are quite inexpensive.

The last time I ordered parts (probably 3 or 4 years ago), the improved Trigger Guard was actually an 887/888 part (CO2 guns). They were still shipping the old style trigger guards if you ordered with the 753/853/953 part number.

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vet6771

Discussion Starter · #10 · Mar 2, 2021

Blinged said:
Thank you to Kestrel4k who pointed me here from a similar thread on the CMP Forum...

That Daisy Quality Manager must be a young'un...they were part of the 753's and 853's from at least the mid 90's when I first had to start resealing these guns. Daisy must have lost some institutional knowledge over the years. The Quality Manager I've dealt with is Anthony S and while he is great at what he does and knowledgeable...he is a young'un!!

I'm not sure they do a whole lot functionally. I'm guessing they were there to keep the barrel band from pulling the barrel into contact with the frame. I coach at a High School Air Rifle program, and have had these guns apart literally hundreds of times and most times, those spacers have little to no pressure exerted on them. If I were determined to replace that spacer and didn't have access to the genuine part, I'd probably put a dab of hot glue there to approximate the spacer (hot glue would probably work better as it would stay in place versus that spacer that slides around and falls out the first chance it gets as you disassemble the gun.
If I swept the floor I'd probably turn up at least a handful of those spacers.

The part is not on the current diagram or parts list for the 853C. I only knew about it after seeing a video posted online that showed the disassembly/reassembly of the 853. And, in agreement with you comments about there being "little or not pressure exerted on it" and "that spacer that slides around and falls out at the first chance it gets," the video mentions that the part will move back and forth along the barrel when in place. The video also mentions that it easily falls out when you disassemble the rifle. Have you ever known the part to fit snugly? Has there been a slight change in the surrounding parts that make the part superfluous now?

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Blinged

· #11 · Mar 2, 2021

What I've observed with these rifles is that when they're held tightly between the barrel and the frame, it's usually because of some misalignment somewhere else in the rifle.

Most of the rifles I've worked on are 20 or more years old. So I can't speak to recent changes in the rifles. However I have ordered most of the parts in the last 3 years and I've seen no change in the parts dimensions, fit, or composition. (well...the O-rings changed from two black to one black and one orange...maybe made of viton, and the trigger guard is available with a screw pocket and pilot hole pre-drilled). Other than that, I marvel at how little the 753/853/953 series has changed and fit together. These rifles are a testament to the value of a good barrel even if surrounded by plastic and pot metal. These rifles pretty much hold 10-ring for 10 shot groups on the 10M Air Rifle Target.

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