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Sorry for poor english ,

I have ordered my first rifle 22lr. 12,5" Elite (Poland).
Now, I wait for my order.

But recently I found "bad" information on the assembling quality.
Problem:
The barrel is not central to the hand guard.
What is the maximum centering tolerance?
How to improve it?

Correcting sights is not a solution. Because it are different for different shooting distances.

Picture below, schows the problem.
Photo is sample, from polish forum. Description foto (Polish) shows very big deviation 7 i 10mmm...

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Can you measure Your barrel deflection?
What maximum level deviation is correctly (Example: 1mm for 12,5")?
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LtCrunch
Hi Artur, welcome to Rimfire Central from Colorado!

I can't answer your question other than to say what you have right now is buyer's remorse :)

I suggest you just relax and wait for your rifle to arrive and see if you even have a problem and if yes then reply back (with pictures) and maybe one of our members can suggest a way to correct it.

Kind regards,

Frank
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LeadStacker
There is no sense in worrying about things until it is time to worry about things.

Every manufacturer sells one every now and then that has an issue. If something is wrong, they will work with you to get it fixed. They have great service and can probably help you so you won't have to send it back since you are in Poland.

My Tippmann has been flawless and they are really getting popular here. I was at an event 2 weeks ago and ½ the shooters were using Tippmanns.

There was not any assembly issues with the 2 I had, nor any of them I've seen. I've seen and talked to 20 or more people who have older and newer production rifles and no one has had an issue with the barrel not being centered.

Relax, you have a new rifle coming!
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Thank You for the good words,

Today,
I checked else rifle in different shop. It had have 1,5mm deviations... barrel 12,5".
In next week I will be on the shooter and I will measure the "competition".

The problem about I wrote is mentioned in several posts in Poland.
But in Poland there is some importers...
Maybe a defective batch?

I know, Tippmann has good opinion, that's why I ordered it.
I think market US is more important and any "bugs" fast verifying product. But Europe it is a different story.
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Artur said:
Thank You for the good words,

Today,
I checked else rifle in different shop. It had have 1,5mm deviations... barrel 12,5".
In next week I will be on the shooter and I will measure the "competition".

The problem about I wrote is mentioned in several posts in Poland.
But in Poland there is some importers...
Maybe a defective batch?

I know, Tippmann has good opinion, that's why I ordered it.
I think market US is more important and any "bugs" fast verifying product. But Europe it is a different story.
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Hi Artur,

You can contact Tippmann directly on their website.Tippmann Arms

Just click the Contact at the top of the webpage.
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Friends,
Can you measure your setting? I am interested how tolerance you have?
Tippmann has sent me information on the warranty, but I live in Poland, sow it is not simple.

Hi,
We have seen this once and the problem was the handguard was machined wrong where it connects to the barrel nut. The fix is replacing the handguard with a new one which would be under warranty...
Thanks,
Tippmann Arms
Customer Service
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At the moment, still I don't know how tolerance is acceptable.
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I'm in England and had my Tippmann for just over a year, couple of hundred rounds per week, everything still awesome. Bolt gets a bit dirty just needs wiping down and small drop of oil.
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Yesterday I received my Tippmann Elite 12,5".
I checked three pieces. Two for them had have tolerance >3mm, one <0,5mm.

After shopping I was to shooting range.
The first 100 pieces of ammunition have been fired. Zero problems :).
On distance 50m concentration circle 5cm.
Factory targeting instruments, without correction. I have to incrase the aiming point, about 5cm.

I have a question...
How looks issue "Control shot"? Do or not?
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mostly22lately
Artur, I'm doing a bit of translating of dimensions out of metric, as many of the folks here in the US don't "think" in metric terms.

If I am understanding what you're saying, it is ... at about 55 yards, you are shooting about a 2 inch group ('concentration circle'), with a 12.5" barrel.

You did not mention if this was from a rest, but I assume so. And you did not mention what ammunition you are using. You also indicated you needed to move the factory zero by about 2 inches. I am also assuming you are using the factory iron sights.

All of this seems to me to be within general expectations I might have for such a rifle.

For an example, in metric units:
Using certain ammunition I know my rifle works best with, at 50 meters with a bipod and with a precision optic ... my 16" barrel M4-22 Elite can easily hold a 2.5cm group. But using other ammunition causes the group to be about 6cm. And using iron sights, maybe 3 to 5 cm. Similar to yours.

It may surprise you to find we cannot possess a Tippmann Elite style rifle here in the US with a 12.5" barrel, without a special tax stamp from the government. This can take quite some time (many months) to get, a lot of paperwork, and costs US$200 in addition to the rifle. In some states, we could not have such a rifle even with the tax stamp.
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Exactly,
Distance 55 yard
Focusing 2 cale
I using the factory iron sights. I have to buy Riflescope.
Handheld shooting without support.

Ammo:
  • Aguila Super Extra Standard .22 LR 40 gr
  • Norma .22 LR 40gr
  • Fiocchi Semi-Auto .22 LR 40 gr

I am surprised, barrel 12,5" is limited w USA. I can buy barrel 7".
But,
Full auto in Poland is not available for "civil"..., but are exceptions, You have to do:
  • Trainer permission
  • Start a company
  • Conduct trainings
If you will fulfill those conditions, you can buy full auto.

What is the "control shot" issue? Do or not?
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mostly22lately
We cannot own full auto here, except under more strict restrictions than you have.

The rules for pistols and rifles are complicated in the US and some rules make no logical sense.

While we can own handguns (with barrels under 16") these are regulated strongly in the most populated states and often even the most popular models are not available. In short, firearms are very highly controlled here.

Your shooting free hand with iron sights and keeping groups that small tells me you are an experienced marksman. I am glad you have a Tippmann Arms short barrel rifle and that you will enjoy it for many years to come.
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Kolimator Vector Optics Maverick IV.
55 (50m) yards by hand without support - hits "popper" diameter < 1cal
110 (100m) yards with support circle 4 cals, bullet drop some 4-5 cal
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