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Anyone have a 457 Lux that is scoped? I was wondering if the hog back stock causes problems.I’m thinking about buying one but open sights with my eyes isn’t a good option.
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Not a 457 Lux but do have a 452 Lux version scoped. No problems with the scope set up. The little Weaver scope sits behind the tangent sight low and out of the way. There's about a quarter inch difference between the Lux style stock and an American (non-hogback style) stock where most people's cheek meets the stock.
Here is my 457 Lux with a couple different scopes on it. The top picture is with a Leupold 2-7x28 rimfire scope. The bottom is with a Vortex Strike Eagle 3-18x44 on some high or extra high rings.
The Lux now has an 22WMR American barrel in it with a Weaver V-24 scope.
I guess I didn't answer your question. For me and my fat head, I like the way it feels mounted low. I'm 6' 3"ish and have had a few too many cheeseburgers. I also just finished mounting a new-to-me scope on my 452 Lux. I was fortunate to find a scope that would sit behind the rear sight.
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Hey, I like cheeseburgers too.haha. Thanks for your help, I appreciate it. I guess I could always swap the stock out if it’s a problem for me.
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i have a burris 3-9x RF of my lux...i mostly like the trim & sleek feel of the stock, but never quite got used to the cheek weld with it scoped...toyed with going back to irons, but havent decided yet. It shoots quite well, but it is currently in .22mag...and i dont really need an iron sighted 22mag. And, i already have a few iron sighted .22LR's, so still trying to decide on what to do with it.
Hard to mess with one that shoots good though...and it does that consistently. Maybe will try a cheek pad to see how that goes.
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Hard to mess with one that shoots good though...and it does that consistently. Maybe will try a cheek pad to see how that goes.
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For me , not an issue. Look at a hogback , the butt is lower so actually the gun rides higher , the place you put your face is just about the same level as on a straight stock. So off hand its pretty darn good. Off the bench is a little challenging as the gun naturally sits higher , but you get used to it.
PS you dont have to buy a short scope so it will sit behind the rear sight , you can go over. Lots of people dont like to scrunch over a gun, and like to look at a scope square in the eye.
Of course , if you have a little peanut size head, it might be difficult 😇
PS you dont have to buy a short scope so it will sit behind the rear sight , you can go over. Lots of people dont like to scrunch over a gun, and like to look at a scope square in the eye.
Of course , if you have a little peanut size head, it might be difficult 😇
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Beautiful rifles fellas!!Hard not to like stocks that look that good!
l6turbo did a post a while ago where he measured, I think, the 452 stocks? and showed negligible difference in the comb height even though they appear vastly different.
That said, I personally find a physical difference when using a hogback vs American stock. My experience is with 452's, but it's all very similar. I get really bad neck pain, so I know quite quickly when i'm in a forced position.
I find the hogback iron sights align perfectly when I shoulder the rifle, and thinking logically if that aligns perfectly, then a scope that sits a tad higher will be slightly out of alignment for me.
That said, with the measurements l6turbo did (and I can't quite remember the specifics) maybe for me, it's more to do with the butt plate placement and not the comb height, since if they are pretty much the same, I shouldn't get comfortable sight alignment on scoped American models which I do.
There's been a difference of opinion around here forever regarding chinweld, cheekweld etc. All I know is that I find a scoped hogback 452 a little out of alignment for myself and need to assume a chinweld, where normally my natural comfort position is a solid cheekweld, whilst iron sighted hogbacks are naturally comfortable and the american stocked with low mounted scopes fit me well.
I've put 42mm 1" scopes on a 452 lux before, and it works, but I have to adjust my behaviour as closing my eyes and shouldering the rifle to it's natural comfortable position for me always end up with my eye low when these designs are scoped. I also need to use a cheekriser of 1cm or so for cz527 carbines with .500" burris ring and 1" scopes, otherwise my eye line is low.
That said, I personally find a physical difference when using a hogback vs American stock. My experience is with 452's, but it's all very similar. I get really bad neck pain, so I know quite quickly when i'm in a forced position.
I find the hogback iron sights align perfectly when I shoulder the rifle, and thinking logically if that aligns perfectly, then a scope that sits a tad higher will be slightly out of alignment for me.
That said, with the measurements l6turbo did (and I can't quite remember the specifics) maybe for me, it's more to do with the butt plate placement and not the comb height, since if they are pretty much the same, I shouldn't get comfortable sight alignment on scoped American models which I do.
There's been a difference of opinion around here forever regarding chinweld, cheekweld etc. All I know is that I find a scoped hogback 452 a little out of alignment for myself and need to assume a chinweld, where normally my natural comfort position is a solid cheekweld, whilst iron sighted hogbacks are naturally comfortable and the american stocked with low mounted scopes fit me well.
I've put 42mm 1" scopes on a 452 lux before, and it works, but I have to adjust my behaviour as closing my eyes and shouldering the rifle to it's natural comfortable position for me always end up with my eye low when these designs are scoped. I also need to use a cheekriser of 1cm or so for cz527 carbines with .500" burris ring and 1" scopes, otherwise my eye line is low.
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Primehunt1 sir the hog back style of stock fits me better than my American or Varmint models, I too am 6' 3" tall and when I am out glassing for sage rats the hog back stock keeps my neck from hurting when out there for 6 or 7 hours straight. I learned that the hard way, back in 2015-16. I have bought a lot of CZs since that time, and I will look for a hog back stock over a Regular American style any day of the week. Don't get me wrong I have a few American style stocked CZ rifles that I use but I use them for a quick shot. The hardest thing about scoping a CZ rifle is finding the right scope and rings for the job. In my hunting world the hog back style rifle rocks my world. Look everybody is different and we all adjust to the rifle we own. I have even bought hog back stocks from CZ to change the rifles I own so they fit me better and I have never had a problem with having a scope on a hog back stock except for rings that were too low or some way to high or scopes too long for the tangent sights. Trust me if you have been around here for 10 years or so you would know first hand about scoping a CZ rifle. You are lucky to be able to buy a 457 when it comes to scoping one. I have 16 CZs in my collection now and not one 457 in the group yet, but my very first CZ 457 will be a Lux in 22mag and if that works out like it should then one in a 17hmr will be next.
Good luck on your quest and you just might find out that Hog back stocks rock.
Barrelhorses sir great job finding a Weaver Grand Slam 4-16x scope looks great.
The sixth rifle from the left is a 452 American in a 452 FS rifle stock. Check out how many rifles have the hog back style of stock on them I could have bought a lot of them with a regular stock but that did not happen, some did not come that way so my hands were tied. These rifles were bought in order from left to right. only 15 of the 16 that I own. If you want to see 15 and 16 just ask.
My CZ Royal-Lux a 223 CZ rifle with a twisted barrel that a 527 Lux stock was bought and it dropped right in. OH Yeah
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Good luck on your quest and you just might find out that Hog back stocks rock.
Barrelhorses sir great job finding a Weaver Grand Slam 4-16x scope looks great.
The sixth rifle from the left is a 452 American in a 452 FS rifle stock. Check out how many rifles have the hog back style of stock on them I could have bought a lot of them with a regular stock but that did not happen, some did not come that way so my hands were tied. These rifles were bought in order from left to right. only 15 of the 16 that I own. If you want to see 15 and 16 just ask.
My CZ Royal-Lux a 223 CZ rifle with a twisted barrel that a 527 Lux stock was bought and it dropped right in. OH Yeah
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Signalman,you have quite a collection!
Thanks to all who responded to my question.A great bunch of people on this forum and I appreciate all your input!!!
Thanks to all who responded to my question.A great bunch of people on this forum and I appreciate all your input!!!
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I think it depends on the person using the Lux (or Jaguar, UltraLux, Trainer or FS, i.e., any model with the hogback stock). That stock is designed specifically for use with the iron sights (and the CZ tangent sights are excellent), but obviously many people mount a scope on those rifles. A lower power scope (2-7X or 3-9X and a couple other higher power scopes) allows mounting a scope in lower rings while keeping the scope behind the rear sight. This set-up allows for a decent cheek weld. Some find it works fine (still a decent cheek weld) with a higher power scope mounted in high rings so the scope sits over the rear sight. Personally that doesn't work for me and some others. I think it depends on how long your neck is, the shape of your face, and other variables as to whether you can have a consistent cheek weld with a particular scope set up. Best way to find out is to try it.
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I have a CZ 457 Trainer and I love using the European hogback stock with the adjustable open sights. However, my aging eyes prefer a scope and I didn't want to ditch the iron sights, but consistent cheek weld with see-through rings immediately becomes an issue. I installed a Matthew's Fabrication matthewsfabrication.com cheek riser. Works great for me. Well-made, perfect fit and rock-solid. Having problem posting my pics, but will do so ASAP.
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