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Yeah, I know, there's an ammo shortage. :rolleyes:
How can I waste valuable 22lr on the same old same old.
Because I won't have to fire a single shot, it's already been done.
All I have to do is some target analysis.
It'll take a little bit to get this completed, but not 2-1/2 years like the 50 at 200. :eek:

The targets and method were posted previously...

https://www.accurateshooter.com/guns-of-week/22lr-rimfire-ammo-comparison-test/

View down the testing tunnel



I'm not much for averaging results, as it hides problems.
I'm going to build the 25 shot aggregates and compare the total spread from each target.

Bleiker Results - 2010



5 Group Average............................25 shot Aggregate

0.455" Eley Match...........................0.60" Vertical - 0.82" Horizontal
0.510" Lapua Midas Plus...................0.67" Vertical - 0.64" Horizontal
0.549" Lapua Midas M.....................0.71" Vertical - 0.77" Horizontal
0.611" Lapua Polar Biathlon..............0.83" Vertical - 0.82" Horizontal
0.611" Eley Tenex Ultimate EPS........0.99" Vertical - 0.65" Horizontal
0.619" Eley Match EPS....................0.63" Vertical - 0.913" Horizontal
0.622" Eley Club............................1.03" Vertical - 1.13" Horizontal
0.630" Lapua Center X....................0.92" Vertical - 0.71" Horizontal
0.631" RWS R50.............................1.25" Vertical - 0.66" Horizontal
0.679" Eley Tenex Semi Auto........... 1.24" Vertical - 0.55" Horizontal
0.694" Lapua Midas L......................1.08" Vertical - 1.18" Horizontal
0.729" Eley Tenex..........................0.94" Vertical - 0.99" Horizontal
0.739" Lapua Master L....................0.79" Vertical - 1.24" Horizontal
0.753" Lapua Super Club.................1.11" Vertical - 0.70" Horizontal
0.785" Lapua Master M....................1.10" Vertical - 0.88" Horizontal
0.831" Eley Sport...........................1.32" Vertical - 1.05" Horizontal
0.851" Eley Match Xtra....................1.01" Vertical - 1.30" Horizontal
0.859" Lapua Standard Plus..............1.06" Vertical - 0.77" Horizontal
0.867" Akah X-Zone........................1.16" Vertical - 1.23" Horizontal
0.877" Eley Pistol Match...................1.18" Vertical - 1.03" Horizontal
0.907" Norinco Target......................1.08" Vertical - 1.79" Horizontal
0.924" Eley Silhouex........................1.95" Vertical - 1.18" Horizontal
0.939" CCI Standard........................1.63" Vertical - 1.02" Horizontal
0.952" Eley Subsonic HP...................2.11" Vertical - 1.05" Horizontal
0.963" Magtech..............................1.74" Vertical - 1.06" Horizontal
0.970" Olin Ball...............................1.45" Vertical - 1.37" Horizontal
0.978" Kassnar Concorde..................2.00" Vertical - 1.21" Horizontal
0.995" Eley Club Xtra......................1.20" Vertical - 1.59" Horizontal
1.009" Western Value Pack...............1.54" Vertical - 0.85" Horizontal
1.032" Federal Champion..................1.68" Vertical - 1.37" Horizontal
1.087" Norinco Pistol Revolver...........1.71" Vertical - 1.63" Horizontal
1.100" CCI Mini Mag........................1.50" Vertical - 1.25" Horizontal
1.112" Lapua Crow HP......................No image available
1.143" Winchester T22....................2.32" Vertical - 1.36" Horizontal
1.142" Federal Gold Medal................1.95" Vertical - 1.57" Horizontal
1.144" federal American Eagle..........1.71" Vertical - 1.14" Horizontal
1.156" Swartklip Hollow Point...........1.60" Vertical - 1.62" Horizontal
1.165" Lapua Signum......................1.38" Vertical - 1.31" Horizontal
1.170" Swartklip Match Trainer..........1.83" Vertical - 1.48" Horizontal
1.175" Fed. Champion Value Pk..........2.03" Vertical - 1.67" Horizontal
1.182" SK high Velocity....................1.93" Vertical - 0.78" Horizontal
1.201" Totem.................................2.05" Vertical - 1.43" Horizontal
1.224" Winchester Super X...............1.23" Vertical - 1.94" Horizontal
1.358" Eley Standard......................1.85" Vertical - 1.39" Horizontal
1.367" Remington High Velocity.........1.54" Vertical - 1.91" Horizontal
1.375" CCI Blazer...........................2.27" Vertical - 1.41" Horizontal
1.414" Eley High Velocity.................2.49" Vertical - 1.87" Horizontal
1.450" Remington Target.................2.29" Vertical - 1.93" Horizontal
1.504" LVE Logo............................1.92" Vertical - 2.11" Horizontal
1.813" SK Standard.......................2.40" Vertical - 2.87" Horizontal
1.879" S&B Club............................3.42" Vertical - 1.94" Horizontal
1.947" S&B Hollow Point.................3.22" Vertical - 2.67" Horizontal
2.073" SK Standard HP.................3.05" Vertical - 2.55" Horizontal
2.221" S&B Standard...................3.27" Vertical - 1.23" Horizontal
2.266" Pobjeda Target.................2.40" Vertical - 2.88" Horizontal

Link to view original targets and aggregate images: https://photos.app.goo.gl/S7B4Dtbmp4ZZ5VUs5





There's the first surprise, Lapua Midas Plus has the smaller aggregate,
even though Eley Match has the smaller group size average.
 

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Walther KK200 Results - 2012



5 Group Average...........................25 Shot Aggregate

0.426" Eley Match EPS...................0.69" Vertical - 0.54" Horizontal
0.455" Lapua Polar Biathlon.............0.79" Vertical - 0.76" Horizontal
0.513" Eley Tenex Ultimate EPS .......0.91" Vertical - 0.63" Horizontal
0.540" Eley Tenex Semi-Auto...........0.71" Vertical - 0.61" Horizontal
0.547" Eley Tenex..........................0.84" Vertical - 0.70" Horizontal
0.581" Eley Match Pistol..................0.84" Vertical - 0.90" Horizontal
0.592" Eley Match..........................0.88" Vertical - 0.61" Horizontal
0.605" SK High Velocity...................1.12" Vertical - 0.72" Horizontal
0.614" Lapua Midas M.....................0.95" Vertical - 0.82" Horizontal
0.625" RWS R50............................0.92" Vertical - 0.67" Horizontal
0.652" Eley Match Extra Plus...........0.85" Vertical - 0.67" Horizontal
0.664" Eley Team...........................0.94" Vertical - 0.69" Horizontal
0.685" Eley Practice.......................1.20" Vertical - 0.90" Horizontal
0.686" Federal Champion Target........1.01" Vertical - 0.76" Horizontal
0.720" Lapua Center-X....................1.48" Vertical - 0.72" Horizontal
0.728" Lapua Super Club..................1.00" Vertical - 0.78" Horizontal
0.746" Lapua Midas Plus..................1.38" Vertical - 0.67" Horizontal
0.748" Eley Club Extra.....................1.04" Vertical - 0.84" Horizontal
0.745" Lapua Midas Plus..................1.38" Vertical - 0.67" Horizontal
0.761" Lapua Signum.......................1.03" Vertical - 1.10" Horizontal
0.777" Eley Standard.......................0.95" Vertical - 1.42" Horizontal
0.786" Lapua Midas L......................0.97" Vertical - 1.10" Horizontal
0.818" Norinco Standard..................1.57" Vertical - 1.27" Horizontal
0.823" Federal Gold Medal................0.92" Vertical - 1.25" Horizontal
0.824" Winchester 1220..................1.12" Vertical - 0.81" Horizontal
0.836" Lapua Master L....................1.00" Vertical - 0.81" Horizontal
0.879" CCI Standard Velocity............1.73" Vertical - 0.75" Horizontal
0.844" Eley Subsonic Hollowpoint......1.27" Vertical - 0.70" Horizontal
0.850" Remington High Velocity.........1.26" Vertical - 1.16" Horizontal
0.866" Lapua Crow Hollowpoint.........1.32" Vertical - 1.06" Horizontal
0.868" Norinco Pistol Revolver...........1.45" Vertical - 0.98" Horizontal
0.824" Winchester 1220..................1.12" Vertical - 0.81" Horizontal
0.873" Remington Target..................1.29" Vertical - 1.49" Horizontal
0.890" Magtech High Velocity............1.12" Vertical - 1.59" Horizontal
0.898" Eley Pistol Match...................1.28" Vertical - 0.91" Horizontal
0.924" Winchester Rabbit HV.............1.45" Vertical - 1.16" Horizontal
0.931" Eley Silhouex........................1.78" Vertical - 0.98" Horizontal
0.931" Swartklip Match Trainer..........1.03" Vertical - 1.08" Horizontal
0.946" Eley HV Rabbit......................1.41" Vertical - 1.24" Horizontal
1.024" CCI MiniMag 36 gr..................2.37" Vertical - 1.36" Horizontal
1.082" Federal Champion Value Pack...1.29 Vertical - 1.45" Horizontal
1.098" Eley Club.............................1.80" Vertical - 0.71" Horizontal
1.117" Akah X-Zone........................1.72" Vertical - 0.80" Horizontal
1.139" Eley Sport...........................2.01" Vertical - 0.81" Horizontal
1.143" Federal American Eagle..........1.48" Vertical - 1.11" Horizontal
1.178" Kasnar Concorde..................1.41" Vertical - 1.55" Horizontal
1.179" Pobjeda..............................1.94" Vertical - 1.65" Horizontal
1.330" LVE Logo............................1.84" Vertical - 1.91" Horizontal
1.364" SK Standard........................2.10" Vertical - 1.65" Horizontal
1.392" SK Standard HP....................2.21" Vertical - 0.89" Horizontal
1.419" SK Standard Plus..................2.27" Vertical - 1.44" Horizontal
1.484" Sellier & Bellot Standard.........2.48" Vertical - 1.21" Horizontal
1.549" Totem Standard...................2.41" Vertical - 1.25" Horizontal
1.747" Sellier & Bellot Club...............2.46" Vertical - 0.87" Horizontal
1.752" CCI Stinger..........................1.91" Vertical - 2.60" Horizontal

Link to view original targets and aggregate images...https://photos.app.goo.gl/CJ25FeeH9X3RTcQLA

 

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Ruger 10/22 Results - 2013





5 Group Average..............................25 Shot Aggregate

0.725" Eley Tenex............................1.69" Vertical - 1.00" Horizontal
0.793" Eley Tenex Ultimate EPS..........1.23" Vertical - 1.01" Horizontal
0.832" Eley Tenex............................1.26" Vertical - 1.70" Horizontal
0.913" Eley Team.............................1.70" Vertical - 1.18" Horizontal
0.968" Lapua Master L......................1.80" Vertical - 1.72" Horizontal
0.974" Eley Standard........................1.54" Vertical - 0.64" Horizontal
0.977" SK Standard Plus....................1.53" Vertical - 0.96" Horizontal
0.980" SK High Velocity.....................1.73" Vertical - 1.69" Horizontal
0.983" Eley Tenex Semi-Auto.............1.20" Vertical - 1.19" Horizontal
0.991" Eley Practice 100...................1.36" Vertical - 1.56" Horizontal
0.994" Eley Match Pistol....................1.40" Vertical - 1.31" Horizontal
1.021" Eley Sport.............................1.55" Vertical - 1.42" Horizontal
1.049" Winchester Rabbit HV..............1.71" Vertical - 1.48" Horizontal
1.059" Lapua Super Club...................1.98" Vertical - 1.00" Horizontal
1.063" Eley Pistol Match....................1.64" Vertical - 1.22" Horizontal
1.064" Eley Match EPS......................1.09" Vertical - 1.18 Horizontal
1.089" Eley Club..............................1.28" Vertical - 1.52" Horizontal
1.103" Sellier & Bellot Standard..........2.85" Vertical - 1.27" Horizontal
1.128" Eley club Extra......................1.75" Vertical - 1.16" Horizontal
1.123" Eley Match Extra...................1.86" Vertical - 1.29" Horizontal
1.128" Lapua Midas L.......................1.49" Vertical - 1.63" Horizontal
1.159" Lapua Midas M......................1.60" Vertical - 1.30" Horizontal
1.196" CCI SV.................................1.48" Vertical - 2.05" Horizontal
1.212" Eley Match............................1.75" Vertical - 1.78" Horizontal
1.220" Lapua CenterX.......................1.38" Vertical - 1.24" Horizontal
1.223" SK Standard.........................2.96" Vertical - 1.12" Horizontal
1.248" RWS R50..............................1.60" Vertical - 2.38" Horizontal
1.269" Eley Practice........................1.56" Vertical - 1.33" Horizontal
1.286" Federal Champion Target.........2.15" Vertical - 2.68" Horizontal
1.314" Eley Silhouex........................2.01" Vertical - 1.61" Horizontal
1.320" RWS Subsonic.......................2.18" Vertical - 1.63" Horizontal
1.348" Lapua Polar Biathlon...............1.92" Vertical - 2.33" Horizontal
1.404" Fiocchi Ultrasonic..................2.46" Vertical - 1.49" Horizontal
1.407" Lapua Crow HV......................3.02" Vertical - 1.20" Horizontal
1.466" Lapua Master M.................... 2.09" Vertical - 1.28" Horizontal
1.469" RWS HV HP.......................... 1.59" Vertical - 2.47" Horizontal
1.478" Eley Rabbit HV...................... 2.11" Vertical - 1.74" Horizontal
1.483" Akah X-Zone........................ 2.54" Vertical - 1.46" Horizontal
1.483 Swartklip Match Target........... 2.15" Vertical - 1.21" Horizontal
1.495" CCI Blazer............................ 2.03" Vertical - 1.95" Horizontal
1.536" CCI Stinger.......................... 1.53" Vertical - 2.78" Horizontal
1.539" Norinco Pistol Revolver........... 2.48" Vertical - 1.59" Horizontal
1.556" Eley Edge............................ 2.47" Vertical - 3.01" Horizontal
1.567" Lapua Midas Plus.................. 3.35" Vertical - 1.14" Horizontal
1.571" Magtech............................. 2.91" Vertical - 2.05" Horizontal
1.573" Top Shot Competition............ 1.90" Vertical - 2.03" Horizontal
1.620" Federal American Eagle.......... 2.45" Vertical - 1.56" Horizontal
1.631" Federal Value Pack................ 2.12" Vertical - 1.85" Horizontal
1.657" Pobjeda Target...................... 2.95" Vertical - 1.82" Horizontal
1.659" Fiocchi Subsonic.................... 2.18" Vertical - 1.74" Horizontal
1.710" Totem Standard......................2.40" Vertical - 1.17" Horizontal
1.743" Logo High Velocity.................. 2.17" Vertical - 1.74" Horizontal
1.793" Federal Gold Medal Target..... 2.20" Vertical - 2.46" Horizontal
1.834" Western 1220 HP.................... 2.41" Vertical - 2.21" Horizontal
1.835" Remington Target................... 2.28" Vertical - 2.67" Horizontal
1.862" Fiocchi HV HP.......................... 3.16" Vertical - 1.56" Horizontal
1.924" Kasnar Concorde................... 2.47" Vertical - 2.67" Horizontal
2.037" Sellier & Bellot Club............... 2.94" Vertical - 2.11" Horizontal
2.040" CCI Mini-Mag HP.................... 2.79" Vertical - 2.68" Horizontal
2.130" Sellier & Bellot HV HP............ 2.79" Vertical - 2.70" Horizontal
2.266" Eley Subsonic HP.................. 3.72" Vertical - 2.14" Horizontal
2.299" CCI Mini-Mag........................ 3.35" Vertical - 2.81" Horizontal
2.424" Federal Gold Medal.............. 4.58" Vertical - 3.36" Horizontal
2.520" Remington HV...................... 3.70" Vertical - 3.49" Horizontal

SK Standard HP...gave up after just 5 shots...6.248 inches of vertical :eek:



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Sako P04R 100 yards



5 Group Average..............................25 Shot Aggregate

0.493" Lapua Midas M.......................0.77" Vertical - 0.55" Horizontal
0.539" Eley Tenex............................0.55" Vertical - 0.85" Horizontal
0.590" Lapua CenterX.......................1.00" Vertical - 0.71" Horizontal
0.616" Eley Edge..............................0.94" Vertical - 0.80" Horizontal
0.651" Eley Team.............................0.81" Vertical - 1.13" Horizontal
0.662" Lapua Master M.....................0.92" Vertical - 0.83" Horizontal
0.666" Eley Match...........................1.17" Vertical - 0.58" Horizontal
0.671" SK Standard Plus...................0.89" Vertical - 0.75" Horizontal
0.679" Lapua Polar Biathlon...............0.83" Vertical - 0.65" Horizontal
0.683" Eley Pistol Match...................1.13" Vertical - 0.73" Horizontal
0.689" Lapua Midas L.......................0.81" Vertical - 1.07" Horizontal
0.685" Lapua Super Club...................0.92" Vertical - 1.06" Horizontal
0.715" Federal Champion Target.........0.79" Vertical - 1.13" Horizontal
0.748" Eley Practice........................0.76" Vertical - 1.04" Horizontal
0.762" Eley Tenex Semi-Auto............0.90" Vertical - 0.91" Horizontal
0.768" Eley Match EPS....................1.01" Vertical - 1.07" Horizontal
0.772" Eley Club Extra.....................0.96" Vertical - 1.03" Horizontal
0.801" Eley Sport...........................1.18" Vertical - 1.47" Horizontal
0.813" Eley Practice........................0.97" Vertical - 1.47" Horizontal
0.814" Lapua Signum.......................1.18" Vertical - 0.72" Horizontal
0.824" Lapua Master L.....................1.13" Vertical - 0.89" Horizontal
0.836" Eley Match Extra Plus............1.03" Vertical - 1.00" Horizontal
0.838" Eley Subsonic HP Extra..........1.35" Vertical - 0.82" Horizontal
0.843" Akah X-Zone.......................1.34" Vertical - 0.92" Horizontal
0.860" RWS R50............................1.04" Vertical - 1.62" Horizontal
0.868" Eley Tenex Ultimate EPS........1.16" Vertical - 1.25" Horizontal
0.879" Western 1220......................1.44" Vertical - 1.06" Horizontal
0.883" RWS HV HP.........................1.49" Vertical - 1.07" Horizontal
0.884" Lapua Midas Plus.................1.54" Vertical - 1.07" Horizontal
0.895" SK HV................................1.85" Vertical - 0.80" Horizontal
0.931" RWS Rifle Match...................0.98" Vertical - 1.47" Horizontal
0.938" Federal Gold Medal Target......1.23" Vertical - 1.53" Horizontal
0.948" Eley Match Pistol..................1.05" Vertical - 1.13" Horizontal
0.984" Federal American Eagle..........1.44" Vertical - 0.81" Horizontal
0.987" Swartklip Match Trainer..........1.45" Vertical - 1.25" Horizontal
1.020" RWS Subsonic HP..................0.98" Vertical - 1.49" Horizontal
1.058" Winchester Rabbit HV.............1.50" Vertical - 1.06" Horizontal
1.059" Eley Club.............................1.19" Vertical - 1.27" Horizontal
1.117" Eley Standard.......................1.36" Vertical - 1.32" Horizontal
1.184" Lapua Crow..........................1.84" Vertical - 1.65" Horizontal
1.185" RWS Target Rifle....................1.48" Vertical - 1.42" Horizontal
1.202" Fiocchi Subsonic....................1.47" Vertical - 1.62" Horizontal
1.231" Topshot Competition...............2.08" Vertical - 1.67" Horizontal
1.250" CCI Blazer.............................1.71" Vertical - 1.40" Horizontal
1.268" Federal Gold Medal.................1.76" Vertical - 1.32" Horizontal
1.273" CCI MiniMag 40 grain...............2.53" Vertical - 1.17" Horizontal
1.313" Eley Rabbit HV........................1.96" Vertical - 2.07" Horizontal
1.345" CCI MiniMag HP 36 Grain...........1.87" Vertical - 1.41" Horizontal
1.362" Remington Target....................1.91" Vertical - 1.85" Horizontal
1.367" Sellier & Bellot Club..................1.85" Vertical - 1.41" Horizontal
1.371" Norinco Pistol Revolver.............2.46" Vertical - 1.87" Horizontal
1.378" Totem..................................1.66" Vertical - 1.79" Horizontal
1.434" Kasnar Concorde....................1.56" Vertical - 2.06" Horizontal
1.442" Federal Value Pack.................2.62" Vertical - 1.44" Horizontal
1.496" Remington HV........................2.26" Vertical - 1.60" Horizontal
1.544" Fiocchi HV HP........................1.61" Vertical - 2.04" Horizontal
1.549" Fiocchi Ultrasonic...................2.13" Vertical - 1.61" Horizontal
1.603" Magtech..............................1.62" Vertical - 2.63" Horizontal
1.673" Sellier & Bellot Standard..........1.70" Vertical - 2.38" Horizontal
1.687" Sellier & Bellot HV HP..............2.18" Vertical - 2.03" Horizontal
1.767" CCI SV.................................2.41" Vertical - 2.49" Horizontal
1.900" Logo HV...............................2.45" Vertical - 2.44" Horizontal
1.964" SK Standard.........................2.89" Vertical - 3.02" Horizontal
2.063" CCI Stingers.........................2.46" Vertical - 2.42" Horizontal
2.095" Pobjeda...............................3.39" Vertical - 2.76" Horizontal



Link to target and aggregate images - https://photos.app.goo.gl/2jrCxpvGin5kXDdz6
 

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Bleiker Results - 2013



5 Group Average............................25 shot Aggregate

0.493" Eley Sport.............................0.68" Vertical - 0.69" Horizontal
0.530" Lapua Mida Plus......................0.74" Vertical - 0.54" Horizontal
0.551" Eley Team.............................0.78" Vertical - 0.62" Horizontal
0.552 Akah X-Zone..........................0.80" Vertical - 1.07" Horizontal
0.556" SK Standard..........................0.72" Vertical - 0.65" Horizontal
0.578" Eley Tenex............................0.78" Vertical - 0.73" Horizontal
0.581" Eley Match EPS......................0.83" Vertical - 0.72" Horizontal
0.594" Lapua Midas M.......................0.89" Vertical - 0.83" Horizontal
0.615' Lapua Super Club....................1.02" Vertical - 0.60" Horizontal
0.642" RWS Subsonic.......................1.05" Vertical - 0.59" Horizontal
0.648" Eley Match Pistol...................0.75" Vertical - 0.86" Horizontal
0.652" Lapua Master L......................0.92" Vertical - 0.55" Horizontal
0.661" Lapua Master M.....................0.81" Vertical - 0.73" Horizontal
0.666" Eley Tenex Ultimate EPS..........0.88" Vertical - 1.10" Horizontal
0.680" Norinco Standard...................1.38" Vertical - 1.13" Horizontal
0.697" Lapua Polar Biathlon...............0.88" Vertical - 0.75" Horizontal
0.706" Eley Match...........................0.97" Vertical - 0.87" Horizontal
0.715" Eley Edge............................1.18" Vertical - 1.49" Horizontal
0.719" Federal Champion Target........0.82" Vertical - 1.08" Horizontal
0.736" Lapua Center X ...................1.20" Vertical - 0.60" Horizontal
0.763" Eley Match Extra..................1.09" Vertical - 0.88" Horizontal
0.780" Eley Tenex SemiAuto.............1.24" Vertical - 1.05" Horizontal
0.786" Topshot Competition.............1.39" Vertical - 0.81" Horizontal
0.786" Eley Pistol...........................1.15" Vertical - 0.93" Horizontal
0.800" RWS HV HP..........................1.17" Vertical - 0.88" Horizontal
0.819" Eley Practice 100..................1.57" Vertical - 0.71" Horizontal
0.819" CCI SV................................1.20" Vertical - 0.77" Horizontal
0.936" Lapua Crow HP.....................1.37" Vertical - 0.91" Horizontal
0.937" Eley Club Extra.....................1.58" Vertical - 0.76" Horizontal
0.952" Winchester Rabbit HV............1.91" Vertical - 1.34" Horizontal
0.956" Fiocchi HV HP......................1.13" Vertical - 1.54" Horizontal
0.963" Federal American Eagle.........1.24" Vertical - 1.06" Horizontal
0.964" Federal Gold Medal...............1.48" Vertical - 1.04" Horizontal
0.970" Norinco Pistol Revolver..........1.34" Vertical - 1.02" Horizontal
0.982" Lapua Midas L.....................1.35" Vertical - 0.98" Horizontal
0.987" Lapua Signum......................2.01" Vertical - 1.08" Horizontal
1.022" Eley Club............................1.32" Vertical - 1.40" Horizontal
1.044" Eley Silhouex........................1.32" Vertical - 1.43" Horizontal
1.045" CCI Blazer...........................1.46" Vertical - 1.43" Horizontal
1.051" Magtech..............................1.68" Vertical - 0.94" Horizontal
1.061" Eley Practice........................1.61" Vertical - 1.42" Horizontal
1.096" Eley Rabbit HV.......................1.35" Vertical - 1.26" Horizontal
1.098" Fiocchi Subsonic....................1.50" Vertical - 1.21" Horizontal
1.103" Remington HV........................1.83" Vertical - 1.34" Horizontal
1.120" CCI Mini-Mag 40 gr.................1.11" Vertical - 1.59" Horizontal
1.126" Swartklip Match Trainer...........2.09" Vertical - 1.07" Horizontal
1.139" Kassnar Concorde..................1.53" Vertical - 1.81" Horizontal
1.194" CCI MiniMag 36 gr HP..............1.80" Vertical - 1.27" Horizontal
1.206" Eley Extra Subsonic................1.64" Vertical - 1.36" Horizontal
1.235" Fiocchi UltraSonic..................1.92" Vertical - 1.94" Horizontal
1.257" RWS R50..............................2.20" Vertical - 0.70" Horizontal
1.263" Federal Gold Medal Target........2.66" Vertical - 0.80" Horizontal
1.272" SK Standard Plus...................1.00" Vertical - 2.83" Horizontal
1.302" Western 1220.......................2.60" Vertical - 1.30" Horizontal
1.333" Remington Target...................2.36" Vertical - 1.18" Horizontal
1.352" CCI Stiingers........................1.64" Vertical - 1.48" Horizontal
1.366" SK HV.................................2.14" Vertical - 1.90" Horizontal
1.400" Totem................................1.98" Vertical - 1.13" Horizontal
1.433" Federal Value Pack...............1.88 Vertical - 2.06" Horizontal
1.442" Sellier & Bellot H..................1.70" Vertical - 2.18" Horizontal
1.571" Logo HV.............................1.86" Vertical - 2.36" Horizontal
1.650" SK Standard.......................2.18" Vertical - 1.33" Horizontal
2.037" Sellier & Bellot Standard.......1.85" Vertical - 5.67" Horizontal
2.103" Pobjeda Target...................3.14" Vertical - 4.67" Horizontal

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Google image hosting has reset the folder options....again.
I'll have to verify the link is set to share image...again.
Account security settings at Google will sometimes default back to no sharing.


There ya' go. Google added 3 more sharing options for each folder.
If ya' don't verify all of 'em, it will block the link.
 

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Have ya' noticed, 5 shot group average ratings don't agree with 25 shot aggregates?
Several have shown smaller aggregate size better than as rated from the average of the 5 shot groups.
Those groups wander up and down depending on the mv for those 5 shots.
I've reached the point where 5 shot groups are almost a joke. :eek:
They are pretty much random acts of accuracy when compared with larger sample sizes.
Especially when you average them together in an attempt to compare cartridge quality.
 

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Jaia. Great thread. Thanks.

When speaking to instrument calibration, a wiseman once said, “you live and die by methodology”.

As you’ve shown, same could be said for RF precision. IE. Different measures provide different results.
 

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jaia, I am not smart enough to follow what you are doing! Are five groups of 5 rounds each being fired and then one imposed over the other to get a 25 shot aggregate group.
 

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L, I run AutoCad for a living.
I created a template of the base target over which I lay each shot target image.
Scale the target image to the template, then add the bullet holes for each 5 shot group.
Using the same center of bullseye I move each 5 shot group to a same reference point.
I end up with all 25 shots as copied from each 5 shot group on the same bullseye.
All are in the same position relative to the aimpoint on the original targets.
I'll add some images later today showing the step by step process.
 

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Sounds like you are good at it, whatever it is! I was called a cad onetime but I think it is entirely different. Anyhow, why I mentioned it was if someone was firing 5 shot groups at five different aim points and they were being overlayed it would almost certainly show a larger aggregate than the individual five group sizes as the variable of the shooter and the gun being moved between the five different aim points would be introduced. I haven't been following your threads on the multiple shots, I may start.
 

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CADD - Computer Assisted Design and Drafting

I thought about the possibility of shifting point of aim with these targets L.
Decided it was unlikely due to it being indoors, off a bench, solid rest and bag.
Not like outdoors where you might have to compensate for wind drift.
In a tunnel, I'd dial my scope in for the mv of the ammunition.
Fire 5 to final adjust my scope, then leave it alone for the rest of the day.
Use the same point of aim on each bullseye shot.

If you want a fast education in ammunition variations,
try 50 shots at 50 dots and watch how trajectories vary with each cartridge fired.
I know I'm holding center of dot. I know the crosshair is remaining on the dot until I see the bullet impact.
There's no freaking wind and 18 pounds of Fuglie hasn't budged.
Why the heck did the round spiral almost half an inch left? :(
That one dropped in 3/8 inch low! That one flew 1/4 inch high!
It ain't me or the rifle, all on cartridge differences.

Draw a grid on a chunk of cardboard, 5 lines by 10 lines, an inch or two apart.
Then try to punch the intersect points at 50 yards and watch what happens.

I attempt it at 100 yards...



50 shots at 50 dots, on a single target, offers a much better diagnosis of cartridge quality than a few 5 shot groups.
 

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This is the template before overlaying a target image



Align the image to the template



Overlay the bullet holes with 0.2" diameter circles



Move the group of circles to another copy of the template
using the same center of bullseye and border lines to reference placement.



Repeat for next bullseye and move over the next 5 shots



And fifteen shots aggregate



Repeat for as many groups as needed.
OnTarget does the same thing when using their software for group measurement.
Build aggregate groups referenced to the point of aim for as many groups as desired.
 

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jaia, I know what you mean about ammo. Learned that lesson decades ago when I got my first 52. I got a second one because I thought it was the gun, LOL. Some ammo will drive you crazy and all ammo will frustrate you, but to varying degrees. You may be doing things differently but when shooting multiple targets with the same point of aim on the individual target if We had to shift the gun or our position it was very easy to shoot the same group or smaller just at a little different place on the next target using the same aim point, if you weren't extremely consistent.
 

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Jaia, your dedication to this effort is praiseworthy.

If in the unlikely event that you ever find yourself with time on your hands, there are another, newer set of similar targets produced by the same guy. He uses the Bleiker and two other rifles at 50 and 100 yards. Of course, you may already be aware of this.

The targets that produced the results for the accurateshooter.com .22LR Rimfire Ammo Comparison Test are from 2010. The other results were posted in December 2012.

As an example, below is the target from 2010 for Eley Match. Below it is the Eley Match target from 2012, which was shot with the same Bleiker. Not surprisingly, the results were not the same from 2010 to 2012.


 

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PG, if I don't have to shoot the boxes of ammo, making the comparisons is gravy.
Link that other Bleiker target batch so I can continue after finishing these.
I can do a 5 group aggregate in about 5 minutes now that the template is set up.
Cheaper by far to build the aggregates than purchasing and testing myself.
Satisfies my OCD with much less time invested. :D
 

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C30, some of the images are severely distorted.
Target was not flat when the images were snapped.
I verify the largest groups measured on each target.
That way I won't be off much, even with the skewed surface pics.

Quite a few 4 hole groups also.
Makes ya' wonder where that fifth one went.
 

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Jaia, your wish is my command. For the more recent results for the Bleiker as well s the other rifles, see http://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/8711043/m/7531057281

jaia. Did you get a feel for the authors group measurement?

Thinking a .341" group (top right bull) would be smaller then three bullet holes side by side. This group seems much larger?
This is a good point. Three bullet holes side-by-side, just touching each other would be a .440" group -- if the outside measurement was subtracted by .22" as the bullet hole size.



Of course the bullet hole in the target paper is smaller than .22". It varies according to the type of paper used but is usually between about .196 and .210". It would be possible to have a .440" (or even less) side-by-side group without the bullet holes actually touching. Regardless of the size of the deduction from the outside edge measurement, the actual center-to-center measurement itself remains constant.

Among the unknowns of the information in the accurateshooter.com results are if and when different lots of the same ammo were used for different distances and what, if any, cleaning or pre-record fouling was performed. All the shooting was carried out in a tunnel.

One other factor that may be a source of inconsistency in the results is that the shooter of the targets in question used a relatively simple front rest and rear bag. These may not contribute to the best consistency. After all, it's well known that serious BR shooters would prefer to use a BR-style stock with a one-piece rest when shooting for the most consistent results. That's not to say it's not possible to get good results with unsophisticated equipment, but that it's advantageous to use a better stock and rest.

Here's the Bleiker rifle that is shown in the post with the latest targets.

 
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