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You can shoot 300 rounds a day without the barrel overheating and loosing accuracy. Sight in a 150yd zero and have fun.

Load Data
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Name: Rem 221 Fireball 50gr V-Max 150yds
Ballistic Coeff: 0.242
Bullet Weight: 50
Velocity: 2995
Target Distance: 150
Scope Height: 1.500
Temperature: 70
Altitude: 500

Ballistic Data
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Range Elevation Velocity Energy ETA Drop Max Y 10mph Wind Deflect
0 yds -1.50 in 2995 fps 996 fpe 0.000 sec 0.00 in -1.50 in 0.00 in
25 yds -0.54 in 2899 fps 933 fpe 0.025 sec 0.12 in -0.57 in 0.05 in
50 yds 0.16 in 2806 fps 874 fpe 0.052 sec 0.50 in -0.47 in 0.27 in
75 yds 0.58 in 2715 fps 818 fpe 0.079 sec 1.16 in -0.30 in 0.66 in
100 yds 0.70 in 2625 fps 765 fpe 0.107 sec 2.12 in -0.04 in 1.21 in
125 yds 0.52 in 2537 fps 715 fpe 0.136 sec 3.38 in 0.30 in 1.91 in
150 yds 0.00 in 2451 fps 667 fpe 0.166 sec 4.98 in 0.74 in 2.78 in
175 yds -0.88 in 2366 fps 622 fpe 0.197 sec 6.94 in 1.29 in 3.83 in
200 yds -2.16 in 2284 fps 579 fpe 0.229 sec 9.30 in 1.96 in 5.12 in
225 yds -3.86 in 2203 fps 539 fpe 0.263 sec 12.08 in 2.76 in 6.63 in
250 yds -6.01 in 2123 fps 500 fpe 0.298 sec 15.31 in 3.71 in 8.34 in
275 yds -8.62 in 2045 fps 464 fpe 0.334 sec 19.00 in 4.81 in 10.25 in
300 yds -11.75 in 1969 fps 430 fpe 0.371 sec 23.21 in 6.09 in 12.40 in
325 yds -15.38 in 1894 fps 398 fpe 0.409 sec 27.92 in 7.54 in 14.74 in
350 yds -19.70 in 1821 fps 368 fpe 0.450 sec 33.32 in 9.23 in 17.46 in
375 yds -24.73 in 1751 fps 340 fpe 0.492 sec 39.43 in 11.17 in 20.51 in
400 yds -30.49 in 1683 fps 314 fpe 0.536 sec 46.28 in 13.38 in 23.86 in
425 yds -37.01 in 1617 fps 290 fpe 0.582 sec 53.87 in 15.86 in 27.50 in
450 yds -44.29 in 1552 fps 268 fpe 0.629 sec 62.23 in 18.63 in 31.38 in
475 yds -52.48 in 1491 fps 247 fpe 0.678 sec 71.50 in 21.75 in 35.61 in
500 yds -61.65 in 1431 fps 227 fpe 0.729 sec 81.76 in 25.24 in 40.19 in
 

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The Hornady handloading manual has good things to say about this caliber. It should be easy on powder, not have the case neck crimping problem of the Hornet, and be about the size of a chopped down 222 or 223 case...barrel doesn't heat, low/no recoil.

Now, anybody got one they want to sell?
 

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Very interesting!

This caliber sure seems neat. If you're a reloader even more so as on paper and via those that shoot both, it seems to put the beloved Hornet nearly to pasture. Especially with ease of reloading, case life, barrel life and overall performance; like the Hornet it is easy on powder (IIRC 12 grs?..so 300+ rounds per pound?) I will admit it has been really peaking my interest of late. But with two .204's (one un-shot), 5 .223's, and my recently acquired .22 Hornet I haven't gotten around to trying one yet. But thinking really seriously about it!

One thing's for sure, the marriage to a 527 seems like a near perfect combination to me. :t I LOVE the CZ 527 and figure it is the biggest bang for the buck in a varminting rifle...I have 7 in different configurations.) As to the barrel heating on the .221...I think valvesinmyhead is right. (Nice rifle BTW! Thx for the data.) Note that they do NOT make it in a Varmint...no need. It seems to me, that the only down side to this caliber is that Remington is the only one that makes OEM brass. Some folks say Remington's QC is a bit lacking in previous production runs. Guess you could always form your own from LC .223/5.56 brass...lot of work though.

Now...if you neck this baby down even further to .20 caliber (.204) it would be totally the cat's meow! (Might as well if you are going to form from LC brass anyway.)Especially with 3700-3900 ft/s...TONS of bullet selection and only 15-19 grns powder/shot. BTW...what I'm describing is one of Todd Kindler's wildcat calibers called a .20 VarTarg (Varmint-Target) I'm 99% sure I'm going to convert my spare CZ-527 .204 Ruger to this. Anyway...

Let us know what you decide.
 

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Amazingly CZ manufactures rifles in 22 Hornet, .221 Fireball, .222 and .223

The bases are definitely covered.

The .221 Fireball is much more of a “tweener” caliber than most. It was designed as a pistol cartridge. Personally, having shot but not owned hunted one I liked it. But, would not give up my CZ or Winchester Hornets for one in regards to the woodchuck/fox hunting I do. The Hornet has flattened every Woodchuck I have shot out to 225 paces (never attempted one further) with well connected upper body shots. Its not dramatic, doesn’t blow big holes in them. Yet, just drops them in their tracks the vast majority with out so much as a twitch. A friend and I hunted yesterday and I shot a very large Chuck with it, broadside,upper body, 45 grain soft point reload and he was very impressed. He noted “that big Woodchuck never even flinched a mussle” and upon inspection “it looks like you killed him with air” because the carnage was small.

You need to look at the .222 also.

In CZ 527’s all the above calibers are accurate.

I can only really tell you about the 22 Hornet in comparison. I assure you it is VERY easy to reload for especially with today’s components. Brass life is very long with low pressure powders like Lil Gun……….in fact you wonder if the brass will ever die. In CZ it is plenty accurate for a roving gun (3/4” moa and under with hunting loads). It uses 35% less powder than the 221 Fireball and because of this has less muzzle blast (note- the 17 fireball has more muzzle blast than the .221 Fireball). The Hornet is quite a bit less costly to reload (brass costs much less and it uses less powder). The factory ammo is much less cost and there is significally more available. With 45 grain Hornet bullets it has killed/anchored varmints better than I could have imagined. You noted “a step up from rim mags”. The 22 Hornet carries more foot pounds of energy at 200 yards than a rim mag does at the muzzle with 45 grain bullets.

Hornets and Fireballs are currently my favorites. I like them all really. But, the .222 really needs to be looked at when one considers “221 Fireball” also because they are VERY close. Personally, I prefer the .221 Fireball over the new 17 Fireball. It has a bit less muzzle blast. Also I have a REAL,REAL hard time believing the published BC of the 17 Fireball, V Max bullet. It just can not be that much higher a BC than the HMR’s .125bc, 17 grain V Max. Yet, I know for a fact the .221 Fireballs 50 grain plastic tip and the 40 grain same are that. I think you would be better off with the 40 grain plastic tip or Hornet bullets in the .221 Fireball however as it lacks the speed needed to explode 50 grain V max’s designed for Swifts & 22-250’s along with .223’s, at all but close distance.

They (22 Hornet, 221 Fireball and .222) are all excellent in my opinion. For Coyotes, 200-300 yard paper punching the .221 Fireball may be better than the Hornet but with the cons noted above as compared. But then if that’s your needs I would take a hard look at the .222 also. If you hunt mostly small stuff like ground squirrels or P-Dogs the 17 Fireball with its flatter trajectory may be better. I see it as only having disadvantages as compared to the 22 Hornet for what I do however (louder,more muzzle blast, more expensive to shoot reloads or factory,less barrel life,more fickle cleaning, no further hunting range). I use a Hornady 45 grain PSP Hornet bullet which has a .202 bc in my Winchester M-70 Hornet over Lil Gun. If you punch the numbers on a program as I have that load has as much to more foot pounds of energy as the 17 Fireball V Max load and that’s punching in the highly questionable posted bc of the 17Fireball v max bullet besides.

One thing for sure. IMO, you are definitely on track with the right manufacture (CZ) for these calibers. You will have to decide what your most common needs are.

Best of luck……hope these ramblings with coffee actually help (chuckle)

B.B.
 

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A closer look at the Hornet

Thanks for all this specific info, it is what I have been looking for. I first thought the Hornet may be the way to go, but had heard it was to hard to reload.

I reload for my .243 and shoot a lot, but wanted to drop down to a lighter quieter caliber. Sold the 17hmr and 22 mag , and knew there had to be something better for 150-200 yards.

JF
 

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Soooo many choices out there! .222 is said to tbe the most inherintly accurate round ever made by many people so maybe its a good one to consider ! glad my daddy gave me a .222 .... Can't wait to blow away sage rats and yotes with her !
 

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.22 Hornet

I have a Cooper 38 Classic in .22 Hornet and a Cooper 38 Varmint Extreme in .22 K-Hornet (both single-shot), and find both easy to hand load very accurate rounds. I use mostly 1680 and Lil Gun with CCI BR4 or Federal BR primers and Winchester brass. Virtually no problem with case durability. (I've been told that small pistol primers work well with both the Hornet and K-Hornet too, but I haven't tried them.) And they are a joy to shoot!
 

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A friend likes pistol primers in his Hornet, says he only blows about 1 primer in 20, but HE feels the accuracy is worth it. tic...tic...tic

The 222Remington was THE benchrest round until the PPCs were developed.

It was largely supplanted by the .223 after the latter was adopted in the M16, due to the instant popularity of any military round, and laterto the availability of cheap surplus ammo.

223 put the final nail in the coffin of the .222Mag.

Fireball is itself just a shortened .222, and can be loaded within a whisker of the .222, several hundred fps faster than Hornet.

I have a 527 Hornet which has killed a number of turkeys.

Body count with the 700 Light Varmint .221 FB is one turkey. I think the Hornet may be preferable in this application due to less explosive expansion.
 
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