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Well I put 300 rds thru my 1710 sporter today. Not good. I shot Dynapoints
CCI std vol, and Wolf Mt for std vol ammo. I also shot Win Power Points,
CCI blazers, and Fed lightnings. Most everythig shot between 1/2 and 3/4"
for 5 shots at 50 yds. The one bright spot was the Fed lightnings, They shot
very well. I had some groups down under 1/4" and a lot in the .3's. The gun
is not what I would of expected. the trigger is a bit heavy with some creep.
The ejection is terrible. Some shells go right some go left some hit the scope
and fall back into the chamber and some don't make it out at all. The ones
that do go right where I want them fall on the table next to me. It's funny
because it will throw live ammo with some authority. Most empty cases when
they do eject just make it. What can I do to correct some of these problems?
right now it is less accurate than both of my CZ's and my KDF except for
Fed lightnings. BTW I also shot some High Vol. Rem. They were really bad.
Over 1" at 50 yds. If I would of known then what I know now I would not of
bought it. I will try some different ammo's and work with the extractor and the
holder and see what I can do for the ejection. Can someone tell me how to
adjust the trigger? If all does not go well it will be trade bait.
 

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What type of scope are you using...

what power, etc.?

2. What type of rest are you shooting from?

3. Have you adjusted the trigger?

4. Did you season the bore between rounds?

5. What did the target look like that came with the rifle?

6. How was the wind?

Go into more detail.
 

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I don't recall ever having any ejection problems with any of my annies, but you do have to work the bolt rather smartly - there's no spring loaded ejector, it's pulling the bolt back that flings the cartridge out. If you pull too slow, they can drop back into the action, etc..
 

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Your right Gordon...

people gently open and pull back the bolt not knowing its the energy used pulling it back that kick the hull.

ftstinyc go through those questions and post responses. That will help us help you.
 

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What trigger do you have? The two stage or the single stage? Also, what level of torque are you using on the bedding screws?
Trigger is single stage. Don't know what the torque is on the bedding screws
they are as they came from the factory. I have not taken it apart. The scope
is a 6x18x44 Swift with target turrents. Rest has 3 legs and is adjustable
for height with a rabbit ear bag on top for the front. a larger sand filled V
shaped rear bag. Both bags are a suede material. I have not adjusted the
trigger. I cleaned the bore before shooting but did nothing in between types
of ammo. I cleaned the bore per Anschutz instructions in the manual. The
test target I measured for 10 rds at 50 meters came out to one ragget hole
at .380. There was a slight breeze as far as wind go's. I have 3 other 22 rifles
and have not had any ejection problems with any of them. I have worked the
bolt easy, Med and hard. Empty cases go every which way but not with much
authority. I would say that more go left than anything else. I will say that when I cleaned it after I shot it the gun was not very dirty. Anschutz manual
says to run a couple of dry patches thru then one with a little gun oil on it.
They do not suggest using any solvent of any kind. They say before shooting
again to run a dry patch thru to clean out any oil. Right now I am more worried about the trigger and the ejection. I think the accuracy will come after I try more kinds of ammo. Like I said the gun is capable the Fed. Lightnings show that. I am not the best shot in the world but I have my own
range on my property and do shoot about 3 or 4 times a week. I am not a
new comer to bolt action rifles but never owned a Annie before. With my
CZ's I can adverage about 1/2" with many different kinds of ammo at
50 yds. With my KDF I can adverage down in the 3/8"-1/2" range with some
groups going under 1/4". My best group was shot with the KDF that measured
for 5 rds at 50 Yds with power points of .088. I have been unable to match
that group. I would appriciate your help.
 

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I was thinking that the ejection problem might be the magazine. I was going
to bend the rear lips in a little to help hold down the loaded shells so that the
empty shell has a better path to the ejector. What do you think? The gun
does feed fine though. I did notice that the CCI std vol were kind of hard to
close the bolt on. But it is well known that these shells are a little longer than
others and engage the rifling a bit more.
 

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Wind can push .22 LR around...

and it sounds like parallax isn't a problem, but can't be elminated. Your rest sounds adequate and sounds like you knew the wind.

All the ammos you used sound like run of the mill cheap stuff. An Anschutz isn't really a plinking rifle for plinking ammo, though it sounds like you were able to get Federal Lightenings to shoot well. Thats really a miracle, because Federal Lightenings aren't known for their quality control. One local shooter who competes at Camp Perry in centerfire joked that it takes three things with a rimfire to get good groups...ammo, ammo and ammo.

I'd continue trying ammos like SKJagd, RWS, Wolf MT, Wolf ME, Eley, CCI Green Tag, CCI Std., Lapuas, etc. Federal Gold Medal ($2.00-$3.00) shoots great in one of my Annies. There are a gozillion good ammos out there that may fill your bill. The ammo probably won't come from the $1.50 rack though. You'll probably end up spending $4-$6 a box for ammo that shoots consistently in the bull.

Make sure you dial out parallax, clean the bore with a patch between ammos and keep shooting. The rifle shot at the factory, now the rest is up to you.

I've matched the factory groups several times, but it isn't easy. It takes homework, practice and good conditions.

BTW. I've e-mailed Anschutz about ejection they say it takes technique. If it makes you feel better, I also have the same problem occasionally.
 

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The last couple of Annie Sporters I played with also had too much creep in the trigger straight from the factory.

Lawyers got to them in Germany too I guess. :(

Pull the action out and adjust the sear as follows......

Cock the EMPTY gun, and turn the screw on the side of the trigger clockwise til the firing pin drops. Then turn the screw 1/4 turn back counter-clockwise, and it should be set. :)

Torque the gun back into the stock with about 36 inch/lbs and you should be good to go....
 

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Thanks everyone I do appriciate your help. I'm not giving up. I am 66 years
old and just wanted a really good rifle before i go so I am not going down
without a fight. IMO the KDF fits that bill I don't know why they ever stopped
making it. Even with the problems I had today I still like the rifle. I am sure
that the cheap ammo has something to do with it. That cheap Fed did shoot
good though. I did have a couple of flyers but not bad.
 

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Trigger adjustment

steinie said:
The last couple of Annie Sporters I played with also had too much creep in the trigger straight from the factory.

Lawyers got to them in Germany too I guess. :(

Pull the action out and adjust the sear as follows......

Cock the EMPTY gun, and turn the screw on the side of the trigger clockwise til the firing pin drops. Then turn the screw 1/4 turn back counter-clockwise, and it should be set. :)

Torque the gun back into the stock with about 36 inch/lbs and you should be good to go....
Took out the action screws to adjust the trigger. The
action screws were very loose. They could not of been more than 10 inch lbs.
I adjusted the trigger as you instructed and it came out perfect. What a
differents. Can't feel any creep at all. I put the action screws back in at 24
inch lbs and will work up from there. That is where both my CZ's and KDF are
set and they shoot pretty good. I think I also improved the ejection also.
I closed up the rear lips on the mag about .010-.015 and the empty shell comes back better and ejects to the right where it should. l loaded a empty
shell in the chamber and then load a couple of live rds in the mag. I did this
5 or 6 times and they ejected good. We will see when I shoot it again. I can't
thank you people enought for all your help. I just hope I am able to help
out once in awhile. Good shooting to all. I will buy some better ammo and
keep you posted. Some of the accuracy problem might of been the loose
action screws.
 

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I bet the action screws were part of the issue....

I have found most of the Sporter's liked fairly tight action screws, but nowhere near as tight as the bench guns.

Start at about 24 and go up to a max of 36, should be a perfect setting in there somewhere. The last 1502, 1517, 1710, and 1717 I worked on all seemed to like 32 to 36 inch/lbs or so.... :)

Good shooting.. :)
 

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Just be sure that you do not go above about 44-45 in-lb on the torque with a wood stock. You could be in danger of starting to crush the wood. Also, if you are going to be torquing and retorqing often, you might want to consider getting hex head screws as opposed to slotted head ones. Less chance of slippage and damage to the head with the hex heads.
 

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Al D. said:
Just be sure that you do not go above about 44-45 in-lb on the torque with a wood stock. You could be in danger of starting to crush the wood. Also, if you are going to be torquing and retorqing often, you might want to consider getting hex head screws as opposed to slotted head ones. Less chance of slippage and damage to the head with the hex heads.
Where can I buy these action screws? I do have a good screw driver bit that
fits tight into the slot of my action screws that I used on my torque wrench
and did not slip at all so far. I did get hex head screws for my CZ's from Eric
Brooks. My KDF already has large hex head screws. I would like to get a couple
for the Annie. I have a Utica T-35 torque wrench that only go's to 36 inch
pounds so I don't see any danger in going over 36.
 

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He usually has the basic screws in stock. About the only thing that he would have to do is adjust the length. You should have the have the overall length and threaded length of each screw at hand when you talk to him.
 

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Well I fired 200 more rds today. I only used CCI Std vol and Wolf Mt. shot
16- 5 shot groups with each. The average for the CCI came in at .43 With
the worse group being .725 and the best being .115. With the wolf the
average came in at .42 very close to the CCI. The worst group was .570
and the best was .250. So I am pretty happy at this point. It would seem that
the changes that were made had a very good affect on performance. I only
had about 5 or 6 rds that stayed in the chamber. I think some of them hit
the bottom of the scope and fell back in. I am getting the hang for the
ejection. Both of these ammo's would not shoot at all yesterday. I think that
the loose action screws had a lot to do with it. I don't know how Anschutz
shot that test target with the screws so loose. I did run a clean patch thru
between the two types of ammo. I also shot a few shots with each before
shooting for groups. I shot one 15 shot group that came in at .625. I think
the gun is a shooter just have to get the nut behind it to do better. Thanks
to all for your help.
 
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