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Old 12-10-2014, 06:59 PM
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The Trombone design wasn't terribly original. The feed mechanism borrowed heavily from the Remington Model 12 and the firing pin and ejector were basically copied from the Marlin Model 1897.
Is this accurate? Did JM Browning have a hand in designing the Model 12 and the 1897? Does is seem credible that JM Browning would copy another designers work (despite potential patent issues)?

Educate me on the Model 12 and the 1897 please.....
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Old 12-10-2014, 07:34 PM
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according to google yes!

https://www.google.com/search?q=john...utf-8&oe=utf-8
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Old 12-10-2014, 11:24 PM
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Hhmmm... Marlin 1897 not Winchester 1897.......
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Old 12-11-2014, 07:41 AM
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sorry i missed your point about Browning copying marlin.... D'oh...

the link was provided to give info on Browning and the Winchester shotguns.
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I have noticed in the past more than a passing resemblance between the Model 12 and the Trombone. The sliding magazine assemblies, the general external shape of the receivers (I'm convinced a Lyman R12 tang sight would fit the Trombone if one were willing to drill and tap the two receiver holes on top), and the almost identical magazine tubes, same fore end screws, etc. Except for length, the magazine tubes are essentially the same.

Could be coincidence I suppose, but it makes me wonder what possible connections there were between the Model 12 and the Trombone.

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Old 12-11-2014, 03:56 PM
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I bought a Trombone a number of years ago sight unseen and when I pulled it from the box it had a Model 12 forend which gave me a moment of pause.

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I bought a Trombone a number of years ago sight unseen and when I pulled it from the box it had a Model 12 forend which gave me a moment of pause.

I don't think it would be difficult to fit the model 12 fore end to the Trombone. Just as it should be relatively simple to use a model 12 magazine tube in a Trombone. You bet that if I ever need to replace the magazine tube in my Trombone, that's the first thing I'm going to try.
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Starting about 1905, there was a strong connection between John Browning and Remington. Remington negotiated the American manufacturing rights for the Model 11 Semiauto shotgun, which is basically the Browning A5. The excellent Model 12 .22 rifle was introduced in 1909, but it was mainly the brainchild of another great firearms designer, Mr. John Pedersen. Since the Browning Trombone wasn't introduced until about 1922, it is conceivable that Browning "borrowed" the sliding magazine tube idea. If I'm not mistaken, he also "borrowed" the buttstock tube feed idea for his semiauto .22 from the earlier Winchester M1903. Obviously, there were a lot of ideas being interchanged among several designers and manufacturers, and this makes for a fascinating study.
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Starting about 1905, there was a strong connection between John Browning and Remington. Remington negotiated the American manufacturing rights for the Model 11 Semiauto shotgun, which is basically the Browning A5. The excellent Model 12 .22 rifle was introduced in 1909, but it was mainly the brainchild of another great firearms designer, Mr. John Pedersen. Since the Browning Trombone wasn't introduced until about 1922, it is conceivable that Browning "borrowed" the sliding magazine tube idea. If I'm not mistaken, he also "borrowed" the buttstock tube feed idea for his semiauto .22 from the earlier Winchester M1903. Obviously, there were a lot of ideas being interchanged among several designers and manufacturers, and this makes for a fascinating study.
Yeah, I was aware of the shotgun thing and Remington negotiating the rights to produce the Model 11.

What I wondered was whether the potential borrowing on the Trombone was sort of a "wink-wink" thing or if there was some actual negotiations involved. It may be that we may never know all the answers.
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Strong connection with Winchester too.Sometimes these big companies would buy a gun design from Browning,even though they had no intention of making it.-just to keep the connection going,and keep the other guy from developing it.
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Camster, you're quite right. In fact, several companies benefitted greatly from the fertile mind of Mr. Browning. Winchester and Browning parted ways about 1905 over a disagreement about royalties (Winchester refused to pay them. They demanded a fixed price) over Browning's semiauto shotgun design. That's when Browning decided to let FN in Belgium and Remington in the U.S. make his shotgun. The rift with Winchester never healed, but Browning went on to design many more fine firearms.
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Share a pic of my Trombone

Hi folks,

Great thread, thank you. Just thought to share a pic of my Trombone as well. Believe it bought in 1934 (as the original owner wrote the date on the case it came with). All original condition.


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^ Very nice rifle, thanks for sharing.
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Hi folks,

Great thread, thank you. Just thought to share a pic of my Trombone as well. Believe it bought in 1934 (as the original owner wrote the date on the case it came with). All original condition.


Very nice....

If you don't mind, what is the serial number range of that gun? I have one that I think was made about the same time and was wanting to pin the date of manufacture down more exactly.
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Thanks guys.

Sure, SN is 476xx range.

I cannot believe how accurate the piece is. A pleasure to shoot.
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