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Old 04-04-2010, 05:49 PM
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#1) Which Russian rifle makers are still going strong and importing weapons to the USA?
#2) Are the Vostok and Ural rifles still being made /imported?
#3) Are the CM-2 rifles offered by RAA the same CM-2's as the old ones?
#4) What happened to the CZVZ58 (ak-47 variant) that was being offered?
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Old 04-05-2010, 06:51 AM
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#1) Which Russian rifle makers are still going strong and importing weapons to the USA?
For many reasons arms factories worldwide are struggling - global economic downturn.
And, not all will survive.
Molot for one has ended its current incarnation.
However, I suspect the label will be back in another iteration.
Izhmash has been reorganized ... I believe it will happen again.
But, Izhmash will not be going away anytime soon ... at least not during my remaining lifetime.

Izhmash is still exporting to the U.S. but supply was disrupted
because of the technical state of bankruptcy Izhmash found itself in.
The updating of the Izhmash website and the introduction of some new models (last products)
should be an indication of the improving state of the company.

#2) Are the Vostok and Ural rifles still being made /imported?
VOSTOK is (errr, was) a trading company - now defunct ... think Baikal.
URAL is a target rifle model and continues today as the "Ural-6-2" and "Ural-5-1".
However, at the moment these models are not available in America.
Be advised ... this situation may be changing.
More than one entity are working the problem of importation.
That being said, the determinate factors affecting the availability of the URAL
are the weakness of the U.S. dollar and consumer demand.
Demand exists ... albeit as a niche market.
But, potential buyers may be frightened away by the price.
The main culprit being the devaluation of the American dollar
and the new direction for Russian capitalism - sell less at a higher price.

#3) Are the CM-2 rifles offered by RAA the same CM-2's as the old ones?
No, the contemporary CM-2 exist as low-cost, simplified, entry-level models.

#4) What happened to the CZVZ58 (ak-47 variant) that was being offered?
I think the CZ forum may be better able to answer this question.
That being said, let me state I have only a casual knowledge of the AK-47
and, even less so of the Sa vz.58.
However, this is what I've been able to find-out: DISCONTINUED - 2010 -The Czech SA Vz 58,
DISCONTINUED - 2010 - The Tactical Sporter
Moreover, CzechPoint is the new USA distributor.
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CzechPoint was established for a couple of reasons.
The most important reason is to provide a higher level of customer service
through direct contact with one primary distributor.
Second, D-Technik was not completely satisfied with the level of service, support and promotion
within the existing firearms distribution system in the United States.
By the way, to my knowledge the Sa vz.58 in not a true AK-47 variant.

No AK this: the Czech Sa vz.58
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Still, rather than adopting the ubiquitous Soviet AK-47, Czechoslovakia soldiered down an independent path,
creating a series of prototype assault rifles culminating with the Model Sa vz.58 going into production in 1959.

Chambered for the 7.62x39, the Czech Sa vz.58 shares not one interchangeable part
with the AK-47 even including its similar-looking, 30-round magazine.
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Old 04-07-2010, 02:27 AM
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Thanks AOM22,
You have done some outstanding research.
It's disappointing that they dropped the czvz58. It's a nice looking weapon.
It's also nice to know Izhmash will be around for a while.
Hope the Ural's make it to the USA.

Wonder what is different about the current production CM-2's? I've looked at both new and old one's at gunshows...I can't tell the difference !!!!!!!!!
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Vintage CM-2 vs Contemporary CM-2

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Originally Posted by bl49zkl2 View Post
... Wonder what is different about the current production CM-2's...?
The following links may illustrate some of the differences:
CM-2 (SM-2) Smallbore Sporting Rifle
VOSTOK CM-2 & Ural (УРАЛ) Rimfires Redone
A couple of differences I've been able to casually observe:
Vintage CM-2, has rear bolt shroud for the firing pin.
Vintage CM-2, some may have a side mount, rear peep sight.
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Hey, I wouldn't anguish over new vs old. I have a newer one and while it [I]is[I] an entry level rifle my CM-2 still performs as well as any off the shelf Anschutz rifle I've seen. If you are plinking, (and by that I mean anything other than competing or hunting) this rifle is overkill. You will not out shoot it unless your name is Lones Wigger or Matt Emmons.
The CM-2 of new or vintage variety needs the following for any kind of position shooting which means standing, kneeling, seated and prone:
adjustable cheek piece
new acessory rail that will take standard hand stops and palm rests
adjustable alloy buttplate
rear sight that will take 9.5mX1 irises
sized down plastic inserts for the front sight or a dovetail block mounted on the barrel to accept an Anschutz type front globe and front sight accessories of your choice.

These changes will make the CM-2 match ready, but I'd like to add that I'm learning that the cheek piece needs something of a flat which will make your head position more consistent than the rounded contour provides.
If you are going to be shooting for fun and/or off the bench you don't need any of this.
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Old 04-07-2010, 09:04 PM
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Charlotte,
Your advice is duly noted. I'll research it more.
Thanks.
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