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Daisy Model 25 ... Made in China ... But, I Want One ...Now I Have One



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Most of our cat shoot scenarios begin with ... fluffy being spotted.

Then, as we open the patio door ... the offending feline instantly turns tail.
Two bounds and one leap, and a well motivated cat can be out of our yard
... allowing for two fast rounds at the most.

Hmmm ... Now, if only ... I still owned a Daisy Model 25.
I might be able to get three shots-off.
Yesterday after writing that post ... I came across this:
NEW Daisy® Model 25 .177 Caliber Pump Air Gun
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Bass Pro Shops® is pleased to announce the return of the classic pump BB gun
that delighted and introduced millions of children to shooting for more
than 60 years, the Daisy® Model 25 Pump BB Gun.

Created by legendary Daisy designer, Charles Lefever,
the Model 25 helped make Daisy air guns a staple underneath Christmas trees
across the country for decades after its introduction in 1914.

The modern Model 25 will take adults back to the excitement
of their childhood shooting adventures, sporting many of the features
found on Mr. Lefever's original pump air gun design.

Just like the classic, the new Model 25 features a solid wood pistol grip stock and fore end,
durable steel construction, a take-down screw, a removable
screw-in 50-shot tube, and fully adjustable, flip-up peep or open rear sights.

So give your young budding outdoorsman the same joy you and your father
enjoyed at his age with the original pump BB gun, the Daisy Model 25...!
The Different Types of Daisy Bb Gun in Production Today
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The Daisy BB gun model 25 is designed based on the pump action shotgun.
The pump action mechanism is trombone.
This model dominated the high performance, low price market for more than 50 years.
The velocity of the lever action models is very low around 275 fps.
This velocity is due to the use of weak springs used for keeping the cocking efforts low for the youths.
But the daisy model 25 BB gun achieved the highest velocity ever achieved by the BB guns.
Its velocity ranged from 375 fps to 450 fps.
References:
The Daisy Model 25
Daisy Model 25 Pump Gun...
The 1920's - Daisy and the BB Business
Daisy No. 25 pump BB gun
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I bought one of those. They are made in China. The Red Ryders are now made in China. I was at walmart today and they had Red Ryders on sale for $25. Most were made in China, but I found 3 at the back of the stack that were the made in USA ones. I bought all 3. Actually what those Chinese ones say is: assembled in USA from parts made in China.
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A few years ago I found a 1960's Model 25 in new condition for $100 in Chicago.It is almost exactly like the one I bought at Western Auto in 1959.(Actually I talked my Mother into buying it for me) for $9.95+ tax.Those things DID shoot hard,I borrowed my brothers archery chronograph to test the '60's version.After an oiling with 20 weight motor oil it would do around 400fps,425 was the highest velocity measured.That's why being shot with one stung so much in our BB Battles!A good friend wore out his 25 three times.Three trips back to Rogers,Arkansas,it came back perfect each time.I need to ask him if there was any charge for the rebuilds other than postage.On a visit back my childhood home place I overheard my Mom tell the present owner."You can rake up bb's over there where those boy's used to play"!All the boy's around us had a Daisy of one model or another.The model 25's shot the hardest.But because of the positive feed we didn't get to claim "nothing came out" for a miss alibi.Like the lever action guys could. We chronographed a modern USA made Daisy Red Ryder also,it did about 175fps.I'd estimate the Red Ryder of 50 years ago to have been in the 300fps neighborhood.Surprised and happy to learn that the 25 has been reintroduced.

PS: I didn't see the velocity data in the OP until after I posted this.(poor reading skill)The chronograph test only repeated what had already been said.

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Hey boley, my Mother bought me a 25 from western auto in 1959 for my birthday. I wore mine out, but didn't know you could send them back to be refurbished. Wish I still had it along with a lot of other guns I have owned over the years.
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Hey boley, my Mother bought me a 25 from western auto in 1959 for my birthday. I wore mine out, but didn't know you could send them back to be refurbished. Wish I still had it along with a lot of other guns I have owned over the years.
Hello Sarge,I didn't know you could send them in for refurbishing either.
I saw my pal today and asked him to tell the Model 25 tale again.
He said the first time he returned it was around Sept 1961,the third and last time in 1964.He could recall paying postage only one way (under a dollar,maybe as little as 50 cents).There was no charge for the service.During those years he lived in Franklin,La.The '25' was his constant companion as he played along the bayous near his home.The gun accounted for many water moccasins,dragonflies,etc. Regards,boley
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Shot By a Daisy Carbine, 1894 and Pump

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I bought one of those....
What is the factory claimed muzzle velocity of an OLD Daisy Model 25?
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Blue Book claims a velocity of 450 f.p.s.
I've never seen one go that fast, but I have seen 375 f.p.s. with modern steel BBs.
In the early 60's I owned my first Daisy Model 25 pump.
On a good day and with a well placed shot at very close range,
_ my Model 25 would penetrate through both sides of a steel beer can.

I also owned a well used Daisy Model 1894.
While shooting beer cans under similar circumstances,
_ my 1894 would fully penetrate one side.
However, the opposite side would only be dented and split.
The BB would not go all the way through.

My younger brother, once and only once, shot me with my worn-out Daisy carbine
_ that was the equivalent of a Red Ryder - Model 111 ... maybe.
I was very annoyed by the sharp sting.
But, I was more mad at the fact that he was totally uninhabited
_ about popping his bigger, older, stronger brother.

In another instance, one of my neighborhood rivals
_ shot me in the back with his 1894.
This was a painful, humiliating experience - I dropped my rifle.
But, my skin was not broken - only a tiny vivid raspberry bruise was evident.

Later on, during a BB gun skirmish a friend of mine nailed me in the thigh
_ and back of my legs with his Model 25 ... three times.

The first shot was straight-on in the front thigh.
The other two hits were on the back of my legs.
As I had instantly turned about-face and was running away
_ as fast I could to evade being hit again.

The shooter (by now ... no-longer a good friend - just a friend)
_ was in a fortified position - a garden shed.
It would have been foolhardy of me to have held
_ my position on open ground to return fire.

After I got home, my safe haven, out of sight and sound of my mother,
_ I inspected the BB strikes to my legs.
The frontal thigh shot at close range had split my heavy denim Levi jeans.
And there was a slight amount of blood seeping from the tiny circle of bruised skin.
The hits on the back of the legs showed bruising.
But, were not bleeding.

Following this experience, I had an even greater respect for my Daisy Model 25.
There after, whenever I ventured-out to roam around my area,
_ the Daisy pump and a fresh tube of BBs always accompanied me.

My once beloved Daisy 1894 routinely remained behind.

Reference: A tale of two Daisy 25 BB guns
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The Return of an Old Dear Friend

The return of an old dear friend ... Posted By Jock Elliott on February 15, 2010

Excellent large photos ... good article.

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Still, whenever I think of an airgun or mull over airgunning in general,
almost everything gets measured against the yardstick
of how much fun it was to shoot the Model 25.

This new Model 25 will enjoy a place of honor in my gun cabinet.
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My Made in China Daisy Model 25

About a year and a half ago, when I purchased my My Crosman M4-177 I also slipped a Sino-Daisy Mod. 25
into the same shopping cart.
When, I got him I was so disappointed in my M417 ... yep, M417 ... I put the Chinese sourced Daisy away in my closet.
I didn't want to be further disappointed.
And, in the closet the Sino Mod. 25 has remained until a few days ago.

Why now to start shooting the Sino Mod. 25?
My wife and I had a difference of opinion about a purchase of pellets I recently made.
So, I decided it might be prudent to start shooting my BB guns more rather than firing my pellets guns exclusively.
Out came the banished Chinese Mod. 25.

As I opened the shipping box, I couldn't help but notice the Chinese Mod. 25 came very well packaged.
The metallic portion of the little rifle was enveloped in a plastic sleeve and two plastic tie straps
to keep the action from being cycled ... nice touch - I thought.
Reminded me of the tie straps often found on high-quality revolvers on display to keep the cylinders
from being turned.

I went over the entire rifle and noted the evenly applied dark finish had a slightly subdued luster ... nothing
remarkable - very serviceable.
However, this evidently was not bluing ... it was a painted-on finish.

The engraving was stamped or rolled-on.
Not the stenciled-on simulated engraving I'd seen on a U.S. made Mod. 25 I purchased in the mid-'80's.
That Made in USA Daisy pump was a New old Stock example I bought from a BB-gun enthusiasts in Arlington Texas.



Right away, my eyes were was taken by the neat combo rear sight ... a conventional V-notch
with a flip peep plate.
A very nice set-up ... very functional - I thought.
The front sight was well-shaped and in the sight picture presented itself with good contrast.







By this time, I had removed the two tie straps and couldn't resist an attempt to cycle the action.
Immediately I was greeted with a loud honk that emanated from the rifle ... a very dry cylinder seal.
I was surprised to hear the sound of a bone dry compression seal.
A couple of drops of Crosman Pellgun oil solved the problem.
However, I did make note that the slide linkage seemed minimally lubed.

I loaded a couple of BBs to further justify working the action.
On the first shot ... I thought something was wrong as the Mod. 25 made very little noise.
I even wondered if a BB had actually been fired.
So, I directed the barrel at an empty aluminum coke can that sat conveniently nearby.
I fired the Mod. 25 and the can resounded with a strong tink and rattled as it rolled.

Satisfied the Mod. 25 was functional, the Mod. 25 was in-fact noticeably quieter than my Red Ryder.
A very pleasant surprise.




The wood used in the stock and fore grip are stained a light orange tan.
On the butt-stock some water mark tiger stripping is evident in the right light and some nice figure
can be seen just under the finish.
However, I couldn't recognize or identify the type of wood used.
I was beginning to wish the stock material had been made of more familiar dark plastic rather than
some unknown wood.

Even so, the more I handled my Sino Daisy Mod. 25, the more my feelings (read: prejudice) against
this Chinese sourced air rifle was beginning to soften - somewhat.
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Groups: Sino Daisy Mod. 25 at 15 Feet

As soon as I finished checking the general operation of my Chinese Mod. 25, I loaded-up a full shot-tube
and set-up a paper plate target at 15 feet.
I employed all the shooting technique I learned from my Red Ryder.
But, I was using different ammunition ... Daisy/Avanti Precision Ground BBs - also Made in China.
These high quality BBs I'm certain contributied much to the accuracy displayed by the Mod. 25.
And, in my case, the peep sight provided a boost in sight alignment.

The group below was a full shot tube of 50-BBs off-hand at 15-ft.
This was after I took much time to tweek the barrel because I had run-out of sight adjustment.
At its lowest setting, the elevation POI was about 3-inches too high.

I had to resort to some old fashioned barrel bending to move the POA within the range of adjustment
afforded by the factory sights.
In the process of bending the barrel down in the vertical plane I noticed there was some horizontal movment
between the barrel assembly and the recevier.

This tolerance was built-in in-order for manual disassembly to be easy.
This is done by one large take-down bolt at the junction of the receiver and barrel assembly.
However, no matter how tight the bolt could be torqued by hand the slack could not be removed.

As such, I had to use tools to tighten-up the takedown bolt.
This effort took-out the slop.
But, disassembly can no-longer be accomplished in-the-field without tools.

The second group below was about 30 to 40 shots with further sight adjustments in the middle of the long shot string.
Windage adjustment is simple with the rear sight base movement being secured by a single clamping screw.
However, there are not witness marks or reference lines to guage relative sight movement.

Below was the final group of the day after all tweeking and sight adjustments were complete.
This approximately 25 to 30 BBs using the peep sight set-up.
Definately accurate enough for small pecan busting at 15 feet.
Hmmm, walnuts at 20 feet anyone?

By the way, the trigger of the Mod. 25 is better than the one on my Red Ryder.
In comparison, the Mod. 25 trigger travel is not terribly long moreover the pull feels softer and smoother
than I would have expected.
Toward the end of the trigger stroke, I encountered two very closely-spaced points of slight creepiness
just shy of let-off.
Sorta has a vague resemblance to a two-stage trigger.
So far, the points of creep are static and consistent and serve as a good reminder(s) of impending let-off.
However, the trigger pull is still very heavy - typical of Daisy springers.

How heavy you ask?
For example, I was able to support the entire weight of the rifle on the trigger blade solely on/by my trigger finger.
This was accomplished with my Mod. 25 fully-loaded and cocked.
In such a manner, the Mod. 25 didn't go-off.
It wasn't until I made a deliberate effort to bounce the Mod. 25 off of my trigger finger, did the rifle go-off.
Even so, the trigger feel is predictable.
Better, I think, than my Daisy 880 for certain as the Mod. 25 trigger is less stiff and not nearly as creepy.
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I used to shoot Atom Pearls in a Model 25

Atom Pearls were the same size as BBs. When thrown down on a hard surface they went bang. You could roll them on the hall floor in the High School too. When stepped on they would go bang. I found I could shoot them out of the pump Daisy. When they hit they would explode. A bit louder than the best caps. One day with about 8 in the feed tube, the finger piece that holds back the follower and spring slipped and all of the Atom Pearls went off. My ears rang all day long. I don't know if Atom Pearls still exist, but I am happy the Daisy does.
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Performace: Mod. 25 vs Red Ryder

I spent a lot of the day shooting my Red Ryder.
Then, alternating to my Mod. 25

First, I did some pecan busting from 10-ft to 15-ft.
When the Red Ryder made a direct hit on a pecan, the the outer shell would begin to break-apart
while the body would smoothly roll with the impact.

Sometimes, a section of the pecan would separate ... sometimes, not.
But, slowly and surely with enough hits, the hapless pecan would begin to disintegrate
into smaller pieces.
Some pecans maintained their integrity well and rather than break-apart the pecan would roll
further downrange
to the extent I could no-longer hit the lucky nut.
The meat was exposed and made good fodder for the birds.

With the Mod. 25 a squarely hit pecan would ... more often than not ... break completely apart.
In frequently, a direct strike by the Mod. 25 would cause the the pecan target to blast
apart ... nothing but little pieces remaining.

With the Mod. 25 if a Precision Ground BB hit off-center, a portion of the pecan might break-off
with the main body briskly moving further downrange.
Often times, the rolling portion of the pecan would be moved beyond 17-ft.
And posed a very challenging target.
Even so, after guaging and correcting for a near miss ... it wouldn't be long before the far setting
portion of the pecan would be hammered by another Precision Ground BB.

Clearly, the Mod. 25 with Avanti Precision Ground BBs was performing with greater accuracy
than the Red Ryder with Crosman Copperhead BBs.
Moreover, the Mod. 25 was pounding the pecans with noticeably greater authority.

The pecan busting got me curious about the power difference between the Red Ryder and Mod. 25.
So, I set-up a row of three aluminum Pepsi cans ... side-by-side ... in direct contact with each other.
Then, I lined-up the Red Ryder with the can about half-an-inch from the muzzle and fired away.
I did this three consecutive times with different sets of aluminum soda cans.

In each shooting, the results were nearly identical.
The Red Ryder propelled BB would fully penetrate the first can and strike the second can producing
a large dent ... but, no penetration.

Duplicating the same shooting scenario with the Mod. 25 produced very different results.
The first can was fully penetrated, the first wall of the second can was fully penetrated.
However, the opposite wall of the second can was not fully penetrated but the can skin was split.
The exposed portion of the BB continued on to strike the third can causing a clear indentation
on the first wall of the last can.

The same results were duplicated a second time.
The third shooting resulted in a large dent in the first wall of the last can ... just like the Red Ryder inflicted
on the second can in row of the Red Ryder shooting sequence.

With these results it was unquestionable ... the Mod. 25 was much more powerful.
However, there might be a fly in the ointment as my Mod. 25 is relatively fresh with about 500 BBs out the barrel.
While my Red Ryder over 3000 BB have cycled through the rifle ... she might be a little tired.


Reference: The Daisy Red Ryder and Model 25 Reissues
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Holy old post revival!!

I bought one as soon as I saw they had brought them back out too!!

I never had one as a boy, but my neighbor did and I got to shoot it allot too!! MANY FOND memories shooting it in the '60's!

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This "old post revival" served to remind me to 'fix' my old model 25.The locking notch for the magazine follower was not cut square enough to hold the follower reliably when loading,or had worn.A couple of minuets with a needle file cured that.
And further reminded me of how tedious they were to load. When a kid my contemporaries and me would put the BB's in our mouths and transfer them into the magazines using a procedure difficult to put in words. I had forgotten all about that. It was efficient but unsanitary.
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When a kid my contemporaries and me would put the BB's in our mouths and transfer them
into the magazines using a procedure difficult to put in words.
I had forgotten all about that.
It was efficient but unsanitary.
As a kid, I saw some of my friends and rivals follow the same expedient procedure for loading BBs
into their air rifles.
For all of its quickness, there was a high price to pay - later ... rust.

I didn't take a genius to realize that in due-time ... corrosion related problems may arise.
So, I never put BBs in my mouth to discharge them into a BB-gun reservoir or magazine in an effort
to speed-load any of my BB-guns.

If there is a shortcoming to the Mod. 25 vs Red Ryder it is the low magazine capacity of the Mod. 25.
I just hate it when I'm in-the-zone blasting pecan-after-pecan ... then, the sound signature of the
Mod. 25 suddenly changes indicating the force-feed magazine is empty.
Hmmm, I wonder if a speed-loader would be a viable/saleable concept for the Mod. 25 shot-tube
or all related shot-tubes?
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When a kid my contemporaries and me would put the BB's in our mouths and transfer them into the magazines using a procedure difficult to put in words. I had forgotten all about that. It was efficient but unsanitary.
I remember that procedure, started off with opening that plastic flat pack of clear plastic of BBs or top of cardboard tube, pour the contents in your mouth and put your mouth over the port of your firearm.

Sometimes you would swallow a couple accidentally and the toilet bowl revealed you found 'gold in them thar hills . . .

The stuff we did as kids . . . thanks for those memories, I had forgotten about that.
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