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Old 08-24-2009, 08:09 PM
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Recently I purchased a Daisy Red Ryder for cat harassment - primarily for my wife's purposes.
Besides the cats, I have a Eurasian dove and English sparrow problem as well.
NOTE: Correction prompted by VYD
I feed House Finches.

Feeding the Finches also attracts pesky doves and English sparrows.
The sparrows are bold and drive the finches off the feeders.
While the burly doves bully the finches away from sunflower seeds
and grain that have fallen on to the ground from the hanging feeders.

The Red Ryder will down a sparrow at a maximum range of 15 feet.
But, I do not think it is a humane kill - lacks accuracy and power.

With this in-mind, I bought a Daisy 880 Powerline rifle with a scope,
reflexive red dot, pellets and BBs to control the doves and sparrows.



I once owned a Daisy 880 (if I remember the model number correctly) back in the late 70's.
And, I was reasonably satisfied with its power and accuracy for plinking
and small pest control (mice, sparrows, spiders, snakes, rabbits).
So, I decided to buy a similar, later model.
How could I go wrong - I thought.

Well, my purchase has gone wrong.
The 880 air rifle, scope, electronic point sight, pellets, and BBs were all made in China.



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Old 08-24-2009, 09:03 PM
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I had an 880 once, ok rifle but it only lasted about 3 years. Mostly because its made in China...good gun while it lasted though I suppose. And just another thing, ditch those daisy pellets and get some Crosman premier hollow points from walmart for those sparrows/doves. Daisy pellets have very bad quality, Crosman pellets are a ton better. Good luck!
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Old 08-24-2009, 09:09 PM
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i just put up some extra feeders and feed them all. now if i could just keep
the darn squirrels possums and racoons out. guess i need more feeders.
even had what looked like a black bear tear a couple down one night.
critters!!!
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Old 08-24-2009, 09:44 PM
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Expensive Bird Feed

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i just put up some extra feeders and feed them all....
For the last two years we were feeding all birds - doves, sparrows, finches, a few woodpeckers and fewer bunting.
I was spending one hundred fifty dollars every three months on feed - too expensive according to my miserly wife.
She gave so much grief ... I quit bird feeding for six months.

Since, I've re-started my efforts are directed towards non-ground feeders.
However, it seems I haven't been very successful.
The doves and sparrows are very opportunistic and wily.

My house finches are very docile, unafraid of humans and non-assertive.
As such, they are run-over by the doves and sparrows.
I literally have to ride shotgun over the house finches while they feed,
in-order to keep the doves and sparrows at bay.

I don't mind doing so. But, my time is at a premium - not disposable.
Unfortunately, now, I'm compelled to resort to more drastic measures.
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Old 08-28-2009, 09:02 AM
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I had an 880 when I was a kid, purchased in mid 70's - I think it was 2nd or 3 rd year production. It was quite a rifle - it took years of use before it finally died. I bought one of its successors, an 822 (now called SG I think), the single shot .22 pellet model.





Real wood stock. Its a good one, but I don't feel the same quality as the early 880. It is advertised to shoot in the mid 500s with pellets, but I don't know that as fact.
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I had a Daisy 880 when I was 16. The most accurate inexpensive air rifle that I ever had. It was like a camera. Point and shoot and hit what you aim at. Dropped many crows and jays that destroyed the fruit on our trees.
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Shame Daisy and the Rogers Arkansas factory died . . .

. . . they made some cool handguns as well.

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Backyard Bird Problem

Just a few house finches ... sparrows and doves dominate the ground.
The house finch females are sometimes difficult to distinguish from the common sparrows.
At shooting distance, it takes the use of a binocular to positively identify the target is a sparrow.
The female finches have stripes on their breasts.


Before the doves arrive, there is usually a large number of sparrows already on the ground.
When the doves arrive they overtly put-on a threat display.
By sheer mass, the doves displace the finches and sparrows - no contest.
Since the house finches ground feed as well.
As such, the doves are my biggest problem at ground level.
Fortunately, the type of tree mounted feeders I have usually foil the doves.


But, the feeders do not thwart the sparrows.
Often the problem is with the the finches themselves.
As they feed, they drop bird food onto the ground.
Thus, attracting more sparrows and the doves.
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Chi-Com 880 Powerline Pellet Groups

Five-Shot groups at 30 feet.
Daisy Chi-Com pellets.

Five Pumps


Three Pumps


Fewer pumps seem to produce better groups - no surprise.
And, a much lower report - shooting in backyard.
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Daisy Electronic Point Sight

I mounted a Daisy (China) Electronic Point Sight on my 880 Powerline.
Previously, I had sighted-in the reflex sight at 30 feet.
I have since re-zeroed at 40 feet with four compression stokes.
From my experience, the Daisy reflex sight is not easy to zero and a little difficult work with.
First, there are no graduations on the elevation and windage screws.
Second, the sighting screws are not very secure.
They can be very easily turned unintentionally.
I had to increase the tension on the adjustment screws
after I accidentally bumped the elevation screw-head while loading a pellet.
At the same time, I re-mounted the reflex unit on the most-forward-section of the grooved receiver.
Third, single pellet with the point sight mounted makes pellet loading is a delicate, precise operation.
That is fraught with the possibility of picking-up a BB while cycling the bolt.
And, bumping the reflex sight body in the process of loading a pellet.
I did this and jammed a pellet and BB in the barrel chamber.
What a pain and time consuming it was to remove the lodged projectiles.

Fourth, retaining zero requires delicate treatment of the reflex sight and rifle.
I lost my zero in the process of removing the stuck pellet/BB.
Not by much, but enough to cause some mysterious misses.

And fifth, the illuminated red dot of the reflex sight is small and hard to see in bright sunlight.
The full-noon sun causes the dot to shrink to a pin-point - difficult to find in the field of view.
As such it is hard to see against a background of dark colors.
When it becomes cloudy, the dot is much easier to pick-up and see clearly.
This is why I had to photograph the red dot in a dimly lite room.
Today, I spent much of my time periodically sniping out the window of the utility room into my backyard.
I was trying to shoot at sparrows at a range of 37 to 43 feet - blue box with yellow diamond at 40 feet.
Doves were coming-in as well and I was regularly connecting with them.

However, to ensure a clean-quick kill, I increased pneumatic power to seven compression strokes.
At this power level, accuracy fell-off significantly.
When transitioning to sparrows at the higher power level ... I was missing consistently.
I re-re-checked zero and found the pellet grouping had opened-up to over 1 5/8 inches at 30 feet.
Good enough for doves. But, hardly adequate for humane sparrow kills.

A scope was included with the rifle kit that should improve my aim.
But, this is not the solution for the problem I have.
The Chinese Daisy is powerful and accurate enough for plinking and small pests.
Such as, rats, squirrels and, maybe, even pigeons with ten compression strokes.
But, it is not precise enough for very small targets such as mice and sparrows at ranges beyond 30 feet.

At 37 to 43 feet a center-mass hold on a female sparrow would, likely, result in a hit or nicking a mass of feathers.
But, as often as not ... to my great consternation and regret, the pellet strike would not result in an instant kill.
Because the pellet entry and wound channel was inflicted at the extreme, outer edge of the kill zone.

As such, I think I'll be looking into a Baikal/Izhevsky IZH-46M.
Or, a Daisy Model 853C Legend EX.
For sparrows, I need precision shot placement - not more power or noise.
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Go Gamo

for precision air rifling go gamo those spaniards make some silent killers, with a p89 pistol at 500 + fps and a whisper quiet rifle at 1000 + fps i have no prob with pests... sure the red rider is still a ball around camp and everyone has to have a turn but for practical use i look at air guns like any other you get what you pay for and its always worth it...
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for precision air rifling go gamo those spaniards make some silent killers, with a p89 pistol at 500 + fps and a whisper quiet rifle at 1000 + fps i have no prob with pests... sure the red rider is still a ball around camp and everyone has to have a turn but for practical use i look at air guns like any other you get what you pay for and its always worth it...
I wouldn't say gamo's are for "precision" air rifling...(Your mileage may vary)
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Lead BB .177 (4.5 mm)

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Third, single pellet with the point sight mounted makes pellet loading is a delicate, precise operation.

That is fraught with the possibility of picking-up a BB while cycling the bolt.
And, bumping the reflex sight body in the process of loading a pellet.

I did this and jammed a pellet and BB in the barrel chamber.
What a pain and time consuming it was to remove the lodged projectiles.
As a consequence of this episode, Daisy zinc-plated steel BBs have been banished from my 880.
I thinking about trying-out some lead .177 BBs.
Gamo Standard Lead Round BB's .177
From what I've been reading the lead BBs may provide acceptable accuracy.
I'm hoping for an improvement in accuracy from the Daisy .177 Cal. pointed lead pellets.

My only concern is that the magnetic bolt will not pick-up the lead BBs.
But, I think that rolling the rifle with the bolt open will cause the BBs
_ to flow from the holding magazine onto the loading ramp.
Then closing the bolt will drive the BB into the barrel.
Since the lead BB has a .177 (4.5mm) diameter it should remain in a fixed position until I pull the trigger.

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However, retaining a lead BB may be a problem in some airgun models which depend on a magnet to hold the projectile
to the bolt tip and the lead BB may be subject to greater mechanical damage by forceful feeding mechanisms.
I sure hope it works.
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I think you will need to load these like a pellet. Loading them in the BB port might not work because it might need the magnet to pick up the BB's and these are lead...but maybe if you tilt the gun they will roll in. Report back if you try some.
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Daisy 808 Scope ... Free

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... but for practical use i look at air guns like any other
you get what you pay for and its always worth it...
Today shortly after noon I tried some more sparrow sniping.
The sun was very bright and acquiring the reflex red dot became very difficult.
The strong sunlight washed-out the red dot
_ and all I could see was a faint pin-point for a red dot.
In-fact, as I looked for the speck of red in the field of view,
_ it disappeared against the bright ground and grass - only discernible in shadowy areas.

So, I took a serious look at the 4x15 telescopic sight that was included with the rifle - free.
Model 808 Scope
I was going to replace the reflex sight with the scope.
But, first I tried-it-out by attempting to aim with it freehand.
I'm sure glad I did.
The scope was suffered from tunneling badly
_ and blacking-out with the slightest movement.
And, the quality of the image was hazy and lacking detail.
Optically, the scope was poor and was almost useless
_ for distinguishing sparrows from female house finches.

Considering the telescopic sight was free, I guess I can't complain much.
801sureshot, you are absolutely correct ...
_ you get (exactly) what you pay for - no more, no less.
And, the reflex sight, telescopic sight and the 880 itself
_ are exactly what I paid for.
Right now, the Daisy Model 853C Legend EX is looking very good to me.
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