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Old 06-30-2009, 02:09 PM
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Got this one today, old TOZ18, very nice condition, barrel looks new, action still very stiff to operate:


Now to find time to get it inspected and lubed and go to the range

Chris
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Old 06-30-2009, 07:13 PM
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Toz 18

Great looking rifle.
I especially like the scope and mount.
More pictures ... please.

How about some detailed images of the scope mount base.
And, of the detachable mount and scope rings.
I"ll bet some Ural owners would like some measurements of the scope base and mount.

Hope she shoots as good as she looks - aom22.
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Old 07-01-2009, 07:04 AM
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Handsome rifle . . .

. . . stock looks very Brno #1ish. Definitely out of the ordinary - congratulations on your good fortune !
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Old 07-01-2009, 09:28 AM
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Nice looking rifle. I have one in the TOZ 17 series. These USSR built rifles will shoot surprisingly well for what were once the cheapest gun on the shelf. The Tula people seemed to be more concerned with accuracy than creating a masterpiece of finely machined art.
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Old 07-01-2009, 12:06 PM
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... The Tula people seemed to be more concerned with accuracy than creating a masterpiece of finely machined art.
Well said aka108.

To me, some contemporary, military, small arms have a certain functional beauty of their own.
Just as the M151 Truck, Utility: ¼-Ton, 4x4, commonly referred to as the military Jeep.
The M151 has its own unique appeal to some - such as myself.

awo425 ... you have a handsome work of industrial art.
I sure would like to to see some targets fired with this rifle.
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Old 07-01-2009, 01:56 PM
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Thaks!

The scope&mount are simply a downscaled version of WW2 Mosin Nagant PU Sniper scope&mount. not sure about magnification, will check with a PU(3,5x) side by side.
I did a quick checkup, the scope base screws were lose, tightened them down with a drop of loctide to them. Did a quick zeroing with Z ammo, not to waste too much time on the range(possibly Sunday, if the Misses allows)
Also have to select a good working magazine, normaly they are numbered to the rifle, but this one came without mag and I just grabbed one from the parts box for the pictures.

Some more cleaning and lubing and teh bolt should work OK.
It was intended as a hunting carbine, not for target work anyway. TOZ 17 are very common here, as are TOZ8M.
They were used as club guns in eastern Germany for military training and competitions. This TOZ18 was proofed in Belgium, so it obviously did not serve in the GDR

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Old 07-01-2009, 11:09 PM
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Thats a neat rifle....awo425.
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Old 07-02-2009, 06:29 AM
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You run into the nicest people here. I know Chris from Gunboards. Chris helped me immensely with information on my Valmet Finnish lion, information I could not have otherwise obtained anywhere. Chris is a class act.
I do not recall ever seeing a bolt TOZ with the modified PU scope.It's almost like a Mosin PU training rifle........... I can just see it on "Gunbroker" listed as................................................ ..................................."Real Russian Sniper training rifle, rare find, rare find, Used by Vassili Zaitsev his own self starting price only 4,999.99"

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Nice rifle.
Accuracy should be very good. The scope should be 2.5X20.
This rifle was issued to the professional hunters in Siberia. They didn't hunt squirrel for meat like here in US so, the eye shots were very common to save the pelts.
This particular specimen made in 1974, before the era of the pressed checkering and Bakelite butt plates.

Here is the year of manufacturing table for the TOZ guns:

Д - 1969
Е - 1968
Е - 1969
Е - 1970
К - 1971
М - 1972
Н - 1973
Р -1974
С -1975
Т -1976
И - 1977
Ф -1978
Х -1979, (1980?)
Я -1980
АА -1981
АБ -1982
АВ - 1983?

Cyrillic letter is usually the first letter of the serial number rolled onto the action, bolts have just the numbers. Mags are always marked with electric pencil.
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Old 07-03-2009, 02:56 PM
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Thanks alot for this valuable information!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 07-03-2009, 06:52 PM
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Sure,

enjoy you TOZ.
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Here is the year of manufacturing table for the TOZ guns:...
Very helpful information mosbear - aom22.
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Old 07-04-2009, 03:20 AM
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Cheers for the Toz manufacturing dates, how did you find out about that?
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Old 07-04-2009, 07:47 AM
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BTW, this rifle was born in the same year as I.
Have enother one from that year, Valmet Suomen Leijona

mosbear, do you know, when TOZ stopped putting year stamps on their commercial weapons?
I have 1935 TOZ8 saw another one from that year and one from 1937 until now.

Chris
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Old 07-04-2009, 09:22 PM
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Cheers for the Toz manufacturing dates, how did you find out about that?
Fluency in the language helps a bit when one does the research

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BTW, this rifle was born in the same year as I.
Have enother one from that year, Valmet Suomen Leijona

mosbear, do you know, when TOZ stopped putting year stamps on their commercial weapons?
I have 1935 TOZ8 saw another one from that year and one from 1937 until now.

Chris
I haven't dig deep enough to know the answer. Tula Arms Museum could be a good source for all things TOZ, but I am not sure if they have a contact for such inquiries.
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