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Old 06-13-2009, 01:35 PM
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Hi Everyone,

I'm crawling along on my CM-2.... The grip modification turned out to be more
extensive then I had planned but I have some good news for people shooting with
the peep sights. I found a source for plastic round inserts, 17mm outside diameter,
in sets of 10. They range from 2.2 to 4.2 mm in diameter for the hole. While they
only come in a clear color option, you can dye them yourself in polyester fabric dye.
I picked up 2 sets with holders and am going to dye one set yellow.

The sets of inserts are his BRNO inserts and are $8.00 per set
Plastic Holders for the sets are $6.00 each.
Shipping is kind of expensive because he's in Canada but worth it in my mind
because they fit with no modification.


Here's his contact info

Ray & Edna McDougall
#2-938 Boulderwood Rise
Victoria B.C., Canada V8Y 3G5
e.mail[email protected]
Tel: 250 658 5105
See Ray's models at:
http://www.members.shaw.ca/mcdougall.imports

I paid by paypal and just am stoked that I got the inserts and don't have to fiddle
with them to make them fit.

Ptarmigan
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Old 06-14-2009, 02:17 AM
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can you post a pic of the inserts and holder?
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... Here's his contact info
I found this information at Brad Troyer & American Airguns

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R. McDougall Imports LTD.
Box 41024 Cordora Bay P.O. Victoria B.C. Canada V8Y3C8
(250) 658-5105
(250) 658-2878 fax
Canadian Distributor for Wlather, JSB pellets, tubular scoring guages, plastic sight inserts, BRNO airguns, and match airgun specialists.
But, I don't know how current it is and couldn't find a website.
You would think that as good as the model website is ... the site for his import business would be just as good - odd.
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These are the same inserts that he sells through Champion Shooters and other Target Shooting Stores I just contacted him via email to see if he could make some for my CM-2, with an insert size of 16.85mm. He told me he couldn't retool for small orders but had some of these for the BRNO which were 17mm diameter, so I tried them and they fit. Here's a couple of pics of the inserts and holder.





the second photos off center from my shot.
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can you post a pic of the inserts and holder?
Slimline PLASTIC SIGHT INSERTS



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M18 size

These plastic front sight inserts are machine-turned from aircraft grade acrylic sheeting 0.100" thick.
The center hole and the outside diameter are machine-turned simultaneously so that the two edges are absolutely concentric.
They are not cast and material shrinkage is therefore not a factor.
The machined surfaces are guaranteed to be within 0.002" tolerance.
They are available to fit the following makes: Anschutz, Steyr, Walther, Feinwerkbau and Redfield.

A rotary-type plastic holder is available to keep the inserts clean and free from scratches.
SLIMLINE plastic sight inserts have been used to set many world records since their introduction in 1974 and are now being used the world over.
They are unique because they produce a very narrow line at the target when viewed, [3.5 MOA ring thickness at the target].
A narrow ring thickness is preferred by top shooters.
To get the 16.8mm inserts (BRNO) ... I guess an email or phone call would be in-order.
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Swell. I have a Brno with match sights. Bugger of a time trying to find anything that fits. My CM2 has 14.7mm inserts (or thereabouts but what is a few tenths of a mm between mates?) so these inserts would be marginally too big.

Someone who was very kind to me sent me some 1950s vintage BSA inserts from England and they fit a treat.
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Just to set it straight.....

I am the manufacturer of the plastic inserts in question....Please contact me at [email protected] and I will send all the information on our inserts.
Ray McDougall
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I am the manufacturer of the plastic inserts in question....
Please contact me at [email protected] and I will send all the information on our inserts.
Ray McDougall


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I'd like to throw in my 2 cents worth on the plastic inserts from the perspective of a competitive shooter. I'd like to state up front that I have the metal inserts that came with my CM-2 and also have metal inserts for my Brno sights and Anschutz sights and early last year I bought a Gehman adjustable front aperture with a horizontal bar. I've used all of them in competitions and hands down the plastic inserts are my favorite.
One of the rules in competition whether NRA or ISSF is that a crossfire will cost you anywhere from 1-10 points. You might think that in a 160 shot match a point might not make that much difference, but it does. Out of a possible 1600 points our matches are usually won with scores of 1597-1600. (There is a saying that there are two kinds of shooters; those who have crossfired and those who will.)
You might be inclined to chuckle and think, "How absurd, that someone would shoot another competitors target." Concentration is so intense on getting a perfect sight picture, monitoring mirage and windflags and time that it is easier than you think to become the one who has crossfired.
Plastic inserts give me so little obstruction that I'm able to see the number on my target frame without losing my position or moving my head off my stock.
While equipment is very much a personal choice there are some good and bad points about any piece of equipment that relate to when and how that piece of equipment is going to be used. Plastic inserts are no different. Their faults tend to be that light coming through the slot in the top of your globe will remove part of the ring and that the ring isn't quite dark enough in some low light conditions. The good news is that those faults are so easily overcome they simply don't have a reason to play into your list of complaints.
A piece of opaque tape on top of your globe will block out that light and eliminate the first problem and a blue or black rollerball or felt tip pen coloring the beveled area of the ring will make the ring so dark and bold you always have a great sight picture.
I have the option to shoot a $100 front insert and I prefer the plastic. If you don't have them you are missing out, not to mentionthat the selection of sizes that come with the CM-2 is woefully inadequate.

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