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Old 03-23-2009, 02:35 PM
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Through a coworker there is a fellow that is offering for sale a ToZ 35 target pistol with original box and accessories missing only instruction manual and strap around the box. Asking price is $900. Is this good price or just a ho-hum price? Since I haven't seen it yet what does a potential buyer look for in these guns that may be a "red flag". Thanks in advance, Mark 2
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Old 03-23-2009, 04:56 PM
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One just sold on Gunbroker for $800 after sitting there for what seems like several months, so $900 is probably a bit high. If the bore isn't rusted, if it cocks, if the trigger sets and releases and if it extracts you're OK. There's not much to go wrong on these guys, and the Russians knew how to build them tough. The striker spring may get weak, but there should be a spare. Welcome to the world of FP.
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Old 03-23-2009, 05:39 PM
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Too Much ... Maybe

Not long ago (4 or 6 months) you could get a new one for about $1,000
Now the least expensive TOZ-35 is listed at $1,158.00

Roco FirearmTechnology, LLC
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new TOZ 35 Freepistol - comes with adjustable right hand wrap around grip.
wood box with parts and accessories. NEW IN BOX!
Check to see if the grips that come with the gun fit your hand.
Or, if they have been modified beyond what will work for you.

A replacement set of grips cost may cost $250 to $350.
Original factory grips run less - if you can find them.

The following links are to gun dealers that sell the TOZ-35:
TOZ 35 Free pistol .22lr
TOZ 35M Free Pistol
However, they often sell the pistol with a set of expensive aftermarket grips.
Call and ask for the price of the pistol with original factory grips
of the correct size for your hand.
The price maybe about $100 to $150 cheaper.

Moreover, buying a new pistol will ensure you receive the factory replacement parts kit,
factory tools and the correct size of grips - something to consider.
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Old 03-23-2009, 07:53 PM
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A local dealer had several from CDNN last year. CDNN was selling them with wooden box for $400. I passed on one for $450 form the dealer. Someone is making a killing on CDNN pistols they brought for $400 or less.
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Old 03-23-2009, 08:22 PM
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Resold Pistol

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A local dealer had several from CDNN last year.
CDNN was selling them with wooden box for $400.
I passed on one for $450 form the dealer.
Someone is making a killing on CDNN pistols they brought for $400 or less.
Good observation mrmosin.

Another incentive to buy new.
Is the pistol your buying a former CDNN TOZ-35?
Perhaps, a pistol that has been resold, re-resold, and then re-re-resold ....

TOZ-35 on CDNN: "I think CDNN has sold out of this current shipment"??? - A FEW LEFT

TOZ-35 Pistol ... For Sale: Formerly "Listed as LNIB by CDNN."

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Old 03-23-2009, 09:11 PM
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Good answers

Thanks for the input, folks. I haven't even seen the pistol yet but had found the recently completed auction on GB of a similar Toz-35 for $800. That was enough to tell me this one is at least a tad overpriced. Then the info that there's been a bunch of these run through CDNN and then resold perhaps quite a few times takes most if not all the luster off it. I expect to get a chance to look at this weekend but will doing it with a lot less enthusiasm than I felt this morning!
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Old 03-23-2009, 11:47 PM
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Is it a 35 or a 35M...the M is a later version...It has a squared-off trigger guard,a band in the middle of the barrel,and the foresight is mounted on a collar greater than the barrel diameter. does it have spare sight blades front and rear,firing pin spring,any other spare small flat springs ?
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Free Pistol Market Knowledge

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...Then the info that there's been a bunch of these run through CDNN
and then resold perhaps quite a few times takes most if not all the luster off it.

I expect to get a chance to look at this weekend
but will doing it with a lot less enthusiasm than I felt this morning!
To be clear this is not meant or intended in anyway
to impugn the character and honesty of your co-worker.

He or she maybe acting in good faith as you are Mark 2.
But, lacking in familiarity and knowledge of the free pistol market.

For some more information on the TOZ-35, you maybe better served
by searching/posting your question at a forum dedicated to Olympic firearms.
And, by searching the classified ads there as well.

Olympic Pistol
Buy, Sell, Trade
I've posted inquires at Target Talk.
And, have received links to excellent sources of information.
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Old 03-24-2009, 02:32 PM
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Pics of TOZ-35

Here are three pics of the TOZ-35 in question. I haven't seen it yet. Based on commentary here it appears not to be of the newer design. I can't tell from the pics what the trinkets and doo-dads are in the box aside from the cleaning rod. Does it look familiar to any of you folks? It appears to be in very good to excellent condition but the foam padding surely isn't original.

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Modified Gun Case

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... Does it look familiar to any of you folks?
Look at the Roco FirearmTechnology, LLC TOZ 35 Freepistol - very similiar.
It appears like an original case that has been modified.

Call one of the TOZ-35 dealers and ask for photos by email.
Also ask for a list of parts, tools and accesories that are included with their pistol.
Then, compare this with the used TOZ-35 you're looking at.

For the money, I think I would go with the new free pistol - fewer unknowns to contend with.
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A friend of mine is up on some of the Russian stuff. Some of the CDNN pistols were superb, some wouldn't fire, some wouldn't extract, some cracked grips. Many were excellent. Remember, these are obsolete as far as the Russians are concerned, but can be extremely accurate and nice to own. My point, look very carefully at the pistol, with right to return if faulty. Good free pistols are available, some a little more than the TOZ. Do a little looking at what is available on the market, don't jump without looking. Just my opinion for what it is worth.
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I also meant to say-Good advice by AOM22
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toz

It's a 35,not a 35M,which really doesn't matter from the accuracy perspective...the changes were more for manufacturing ease than anything. The big question is what is in the small round wooden box ? usually 4 front sights,4 rear,firing pin springs,and other flat springs.It appears to have some of the original tools,which also doesn't matter,as they aren't "snap-on" by any stretch. The pistol appears in very good condition.I have a 35-M which could be for sale ,with every original part,if you're interested.
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I have a 35-M which could be for sale ,with every original part,if you're interested.
jdsmenatwork,
For comparative purposes, how about posting some photos of your TOZ-35M.
I'd love to see your free pistol.
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The interior of the case was gutted and replaced with foam. Somebody went to the effort to stipple the grip and replace the heel rest screw with a more serviceable one. The gun looks well cared for, and I'd bet that it's mechanically fine. Given the improvements, the asking price isn't that far out of line (if I were shopping I'd go up to $800-850). I'd be interested in who imported it - there should be an importer's roll mark in plain sight on the barrel.
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