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Old 03-03-2009, 08:22 AM
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Looking for a multi-purpose rifle that I can use and not break the bank. I already have a T0z-78 and love that little rifle, but I would like something a little more refined. I will be using the rifle for smallbore prone, silhouette, and plinking. Not looking to compete with the big boys but just have fun.

I would like to use peep sights for both competitions.

CDNN has the CM-2[used] for $299 and I could use one for prone shooting, but not silhouette, unless they weigh less than~10 lbs and then I might use it as a standard class rifle.

Biathlon Basic for ~$350 and I could use for both prone and silhouette, but will need to add peep sights and thats gonna cost some extra coin.

CM-2 Cadet [new] price? a little more coin I`m sure, but I like the style.

BSA Martini - I see the used ones on MT Guns, but haven`t contacted them about selection/price? Are BSA Martinis good bang for the buck. I know MT Guns doesn`t sell crap and they have been really responsive and helpful when I have contacted them in the past.

I would like to keep the price around $300-500 or less

So any suggestions...
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Old 03-03-2009, 12:16 PM
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Smallbore Prone, Silhouette, Plinking ... Three Activities, Three Rifles

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... I will be using the rifle for smallbore prone, silhouette, and plinking.
Not looking to compete with the big boys but just have fun....
I think you've unknowingly stated the solution to your problem(s).
Maybe what you really need are three rifles.

Which shooting sport is the most important to you?

Once you determine this, buy the best rifle you can afford for the purpose.

Then, as your finances allow.
Buy you second rifle using the same logical rational.
And, then ... your third rifle.

In the long run you will be better-off than with a single, highly compromised rifle.

But, considering your situation, these thread may have some interesting recommendations for you:
Help with the Russian world of rimfire ... CM2 from CDNN, CIA or MT Guns vs MkII FVT
The 7-4 vs. the Purpose Built - Or, Purpose Specific
Silhouettes with the 7-4
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Old 03-03-2009, 12:43 PM
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I love the TOZ-78 too, but lately, I've been considering selling one of mine to finance a biathlon basic.
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Kimber 82 vs Izhmash CM-2

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cmp kimber 82g
Question about CM-2 accuracy vs. others: Vintage Entry Level Target Rifles or CM-2

TargetTalk: Kimber 82?
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.... referring to the Kimber 82G from the CMP.
I purchased a used one back in January that was a "turn in" from the JROTC programs.
Mine was essentially brand new ... still had original preservative in the bolt and on the barrel.
I put a scope on it and took it to my club range that has a 100yd tunnel.
This gun shot shot sub inch groups with Wolf Match Target (about .86 c-c)
I think that this gun is a good gun, but it is awful heavy.
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That said .... I also use Russian CM-2's for my shooters in position shooting.
They will shoot as well as the Kimber 82G, are lighter, have an adjustable buttplate, and cost less.

The finish is not as nice as an Anschutz or the Kimber, and they are RH only. ( http://mtguns.com/cm-2.htm )
I have youth models as I can use them for my 10 year old shooters
and they are not much heavier than the sporter air rifles they also use .... the adult models are about 10 lbs.
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I have sent MTGuns an emial regarding the BSA prone rifles. I have not heard back as of yet. A new CM-2 for around $550 seem like a good deal, so unless the BSA Martini comes in for a lot lower price then I will start saving or the CM-2.

CM-2 weight is around 10 lbs and thats just under the Standard rifle limit for silhouette, but I think the stock is borderline on some of its dimensions to qualify for silhouette. Here is the silhouette standard rifle stock requirements...

(d) Stock: The stock must be traditionally styled and may not be bent and/or twisted so as to deviate from conventional configurations such as factory rifle stocks or silhouette stocks as manufactured by Fajen, McMillan, H-S Precision, and others. The forend, including the trigger guard mounts and screws, shall not exceed 2 1/4 inches wide, and 2 1/4 inches deep measured from the centerline of the bore. Magazines do not have to conform to stock measurements but those that extend below the stock line may not be used as support. The forend shall extend a minimum of 8 inches forward of the forward edge of the receiver ring. The comb shall not extend above the centerline of the bore, but Monte Carlo roll may rise 1/2 inch on the off side. The toe of the stock including buttplate or recoil pad shall be no more than 7 inches below the centerline of the bore. Buttplate or recoil pad may not extend below the lower line of the stock.

So anyone know if the CM-2 would qualify?
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Old 03-03-2009, 06:19 PM
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... So anyone know if the CM-2 would qualify?
Check with the club or shooting facility where you plan to compete at.
If they routinely hold shooting contests, they should have a list of approved or disallowed firearms.
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multi-purpose, and it is a shooter, kimber 82g.
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Old 03-03-2009, 07:53 PM
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Have I Got a Rifle For You ... BI-7-2KO

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Looking for a multi-purpose rifle that I can use and not break the bank...
but I would like something a little more refined.
I will be using the rifle for smallbore prone, silhouette, and plinking....

So any suggestions...
Boy! Have I found a rifle for you.
If you buy one rifle and modify it for all of your intended purposes.
Your rifle might begin to look like this:

posted 17-6-2007 23:47
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Old 03-03-2009, 07:57 PM
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I've been buying rifles to use doing the same thing your talking about. I went with entry level 3p rifles. Their lighter, have great sights & still have a high level of accuracy. So far I've bought a savage/anschutz mark 10b & a remington 540x. Last fall I was out of town working & herd about a cm-2 cadet a guy was selling. By the time I got back into town it was long gone. I was soooooo bumbed, the guy bought it brand new for his kid who used it 1 season & decided he didn't like 3p shooting. He was giving it away for $250, no wonder it didn't last long.

Not trying to steel your thred, but
Martyh, is that 12oz of weight you have on your tuner on your 82g?
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Forrest 12.5, Aom what mfg. is your rifle that is an all purpose for sure. who did the stock design.
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Highly Modified BI-72KO

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Aom what mfg. is your rifle that is an all purpose for sure. who did the stock design.
Not my rifle ... belongs to a Russian shooter.
I posted a link to the translation of the post (posted 17-6-2007 23:47).

The rifle appears to be a highly modified Izhmash BI-7-3 or BI-7-2KO judging from the trigger.
However, the receiver nomenclature indicates BI-7-2KO.
The stock is most likely self-made.
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CM-2 h'd have enough variations...

So anyone know if the CM-2 would qualify?

(This post did not come through. My computer suddenly went off when I was trying to send. Perhaps a power surge.)

Some CM-2's will NOT qualify (bottom CM-2), some will (top CM-2). I have one CM-2 that has a trigger guard that does not (bottom) conform. I have another that does (top) conform. Overall, the CM-2 has the potential, but they have drawbacks.........especially weight. Weight will limit sighting choices. Optics are not required, but I have never seen anyone do well at silhouette matches without a scope, especially at the 77 and 100 yd/m targets. This means some tough choices on alterations or using that particular "as issued" rifle. As someone has posted, local ranges will usually allow one to compete with just about any rifle. If someone protests, you may find yourself out of compliance. On anything except local matches, the chances of someone challenging violations rise because there is more at stake.



Some people like keeping guns as issued, others change them to make it a better fit for them. For me, these surplus Russian rifles are a tools of great potential.


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