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Old 02-08-2009, 03:53 AM
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Gang,

it seems that EAA is going to be bringing on some new toys for 2009 and one is a rifle that a lot of people have been wanting more info on.

I recall an older thread on these.

The Baikal MP 161K


http://www.baikalinc.ru/en/company/98.html

It's not going to be cheap....around $400 dealer price so it's going to need to do a lot more than the 10/22, 597 and other similar semi autos can do to earn that price.

However, all of us here know that it's all about accuracy and reliability so we'll have to wait and see. I'm sure we'll have some reviews out there somewhere.

I'll let everyone know more when I find out.

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Old 02-08-2009, 06:12 AM
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Thanks for the heads up Scott! I have wanted one of those since that thread was posted, what, 4 years ago? Doubt it will rival a CZ in the accuracy department, but the cool factor is off the charts. Cant wait for the update
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Old 02-08-2009, 06:21 AM
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Folks i got to play with one recently in Novosibirsk, Siberia

i thought it the perfect rifle to take on the 10/22 as a modders base.

go tactical or tacticool what ever but the plastic certainly needs replacing

my son Alex has a range of Biakal products and he loves it but it has many cracks and tape repairs on a 12 month old rifle

if $400 is ok for a base to mod or a plinker that gets cared for is ok with you

i dunno what a 10/22 is there but i'd rather the ruger product myself if cheaper

its a good rifle as a stock as bought item , i have doubts on these other than the action which was impressive to say the least

if the plastics improve they will sell lots

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it seems that EAA is going to be bringing on some new toys for 2009 and one is a rifle that a lot of people have been wanting more info on.
Scott,
I went to the EAA site and couldn't find any information on the Baikal MP 161K.

Not doubting you, just wondering what your source of information is.
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Jack,

Thanks for the info. I'm also concerned about the stock durability.

This Russian thread has a disassembled 161 and I can see how the stock will be a huge problem!! It's THIN.
http://talks.guns.ru/forum_light_message/56/115575-m3605989.html

You can translate the page with Google but the photos don't show up once translated but you don't need to translate the photos.

My main interests at this point are accuracy and reliability. The only thing that I would mod if I ever decided to get one would add a suppressor. That is other than the polishing of all the internals.

However, if the accuracy isn't there or it isn't reliable then I'll put my money into a different rifle project.


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I went to the EAA site and couldn't find any information on the Baikal MP 161K.

Not doubting you, just wondering what your source of information is.
Don't worry about doubting me, I doubt myself all the time.

I found them listed over at Zanders.
http://www.gzanders.com/

They are also listing the Single shot MP18's as well. Apparently Remington wasn't selling enough of them so gave up and EAA took it over.

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I found them listed over at Zanders.
http://www.gzanders.com/

They are also listing the Single shot MP18's as well. Apparently Remington wasn't selling enough of them so gave up and EAA took it over.

Scott
Item Number Description In-Stock
G350210 EAA ZASTAVA P.A.P. AK-47 7.62X39 16.34 No
G350300 EAA ZASTAVA M93 BLACK ARROW 50BMG No
G489918 * EAA MP18 270 WIN BLUE RIFLE SIGHTS No
G489922 * EAA MP18 3006 BLUE RIFLE SIGHTS No
G489928 * EAA MP18 7.62X39 BLUE RIFLE SIGHTS No
G489934 * EAA MP18 308 WIN BLUE RIFLE SIGHTS No
G489985 * EAA MP18 45-70 BLUE RIFLE SIGHTS No
G489996 * EAA MP161K 22LR No
The No means not in-stock.

Does this mean other models that RAA is not importing may become available through some other source?
Maybe. I know these are Baikal firearms.
But, you never can tell.
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I recall an older thread on these.
Baikal МР-161К & МР-141К IZHEVSKY MEKHANICHESKY ZAVOD
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The internals look VERY 10/22 ish. I suppose if you took great care of the rifle it wouldn't crack from impact.. but if the solvents in the composite they use are prone to flashing off over time then the stock is going to get very brittle. I'm no chemical engineer..... but I did sleep in a Holliday Inn Express last night.
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Scott,
Are you a member of this forum?
Or, are you a cruiser.
Guns.ru Talks
I've tried to register as a member.
But, I haven't had any success.
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I guess it must be a Canadian who will have to update US guys on what is happening in their own country

EAA was and still is the importer of all Baikal firearms.
Remington did the distribution for only the last few years. Now Remington is no longer in the picture.

Distribution in the USA will be handled by a new entity (USSG) http://www.ussginc.com/ (site is under construction).

You can contact USSG and get them to send you their catalogue.
The MP-161k is in that catalogue.
Strangely, it is not found in EAA's catalogue.

I kindly suggest that AOM-22 contacts both EAA and USSG and asks for further information.

I will (of course) keep you updated if I receive further information on this subject.

Furthermore, the BAIKAL importer in Canada (baikalcanada.com) is going to bring this gun into Canada. I look forward to buy one (or two, or three in the different calibers offered).

Edit: Photos of the MP-161K (from Russia) on this thread https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums...d.php?t=242818

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By the way, USSG is a subsiduary of EAA.

As for the polymer quality on the MP-161k.
It seems that the early guns had a different type of polymer. At least the colour is different. I handled one of these MP-161k in a gunshop in Moscow during a short trip there last year. I liked it very much. I found nothing wrong with the plastic on the example I handled. The one thing I found unnecessary, was the adjustable cheek height on the stock. But that is my own opinion.
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... but the plastic certainly needs replacing ...
my son Alex has a range of Biakal products and he loves it
but it has many cracks and tape repairs on a 12 month old rifle ...
if the plastics improve they will sell lots
I took a critical look at the dimensions of the plastics parts of the Baikal MP-161K.
The wall thicknesses for the most part look substantial enough.

In your case, I suspect the problem is related to sunlight.
More specifically exposure to ultraviolet (UV) light radiation.
Ultraviolet light can seriously degrade plastics.
Most US produced plastic products are infused or coated with a UV inhibitor.
Such may not be the case with domestically produced and consumed Russian products.

For the consumer, coating the stock with a UV resistant paint would be an easy solution.
At least until the paint wore-off.
Another partial solution would be to regularly treat the exposed plastic parts with Armor-All.
Their automotive products contain UV resistant ingredients.
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Scott,
Are you a member of this forum?
Or, are you a cruiser.
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I've tried to register as a member.
But, I haven't had any success.
Just a cruiser.


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Edit: Photos of the MP-161K (from Russia) on this thread https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums...d.php?t=242818
That's the thread I was thinking of.
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The one thing I found unnecessary, was the adjustable cheek height on the stock.
Well, after seeing all the ultra high mounted scopes they seem to like I can see why they wanted an adjustable cheek....their chins were getting blisters.

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I guess it must be a Canadian who will have to update US guys on what is happening in their own country
Well, keep right-on posting Tozman.
Epiphany ... I think I just figured out you user name - duh.
I've been wondering about it for sometime.

I really need to quite working nights.
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