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I am new to RFC and I have recently acquired a Tula Toz 78 and I have some questions for the Toz owners out there.

1. Do I need a special attachment to put a bipod on ?
2. What kind of sling works well ?
3. What brand/model of scope rings should i use?

Thank you, I appreciate any feed back you can give.

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Warne 7.3 22 rings are one of the few non-cheapie rings that fit and what I used on mine.

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Scoping the TOZ 78

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TOZ 78 - Tula, Winchester Wildcat 22 (aka TOZ 78-12), Optical Sights, USA Peep Sights


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I am seeing that many of the people here on RFC use high rings on there TOZ 78, why is that ?


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Because the sling swivels are so small, the only thing I've found that works is the leather tab Chinese SKS slings. The leather tabs fit well and the sling is large enough for anybody.
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I need to know for sure, what size is the TOZ scope rail?

8.5, 9.5, 11mm, 3/8.



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I am seeing that many of the people here on RFC use high rings on there TOZ 78, why is that ?


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To clear the front sight. Although I have medium rings it clears the front sight just fine. If you have a large objective scope (40-50mm) a taller set of rings may be needed.
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Mounting Rail Width of the TOZ 78 & 99 is 8.5 mm wide

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I need to know for sure, what size is the TOZ scope rail?

8.5, 9.5, 11mm, 3/8.
EST Scope Mount from Kalinka Optics Warehouse®

These are questions I emailed to Kalinka Optics Warehouse®. And, the responses I've received.

I have been trying to locate the telescopic mount shown on the TOZ 78 SOUVENIR
Can you identify the scope and mount shown in the image?
If you can, do you sell the scope and mount?
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The mount is improved version of TOZ-78 mount made by our partner EST.
We will be able to offer these improved mounts in the beginning of
next year.
As for scopes, they are PO 4x32 Pilad. You could find them there
http://www.kalinkaoptics.com/SearchResult.aspx?CategoryID=50.
Fell free should you ask any other questions.
Best regards,
Andrew Kozlov
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What is the website for your partner EST?
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Unfortunately, they don't have web-site.
See: Improved TOZ-78 Mount by EST

At what is distance is the parallax of the PO 4x32 Pilad set at.
The scope will be mounted on a TOZ 78-06 .22lr rimfire.
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It was set at 100 m. So the minimal distance for clear, parallax free
picture is 50 m.
Improved See-Thru Mount by EST
EST Gen 2 Russian TOZ 78, TOZ 99, BE 7 Top Mount w/ 30 mm Rings
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This great top mount is manufactured by the well-known EST factory,
one of the main suppliers to the Tule Arsenal AK factory. The mount is designed
for the popular TOZ 78, TOZ 99 and BE 7. This mount has never been available in
the West until now and is very difficult to find even in Russia. This is an updated
design just released in 2007. The mount places your optic directly on the
center-line of the rifle and keeps your scope low for ideal cheek weld.
Manufactured from weapons-grade steel to last a lifetime.


According to the diagram from Kalinka Optics
the mounting rail width of the TOZ 78 & 99 is 8.5 mm wide.

EST Russian TOZ 78, TOZ 99, BE 7 Top Mount w/ 1" Rings)


According to the diagram from Kalinka Optics
the mounting rail width of the TOZ 78 & 99 is 8.5 mm wide.
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.... high rings on there TOZ 78, why is that ?
Reasons for high rings:

Scope clearance for a large diameter objective lens.

And, the use of see-thru mounts to retain the use of the iron sights.
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I am new to RFC and I have recently acquired a Tula Toz 78 and I have some questions for the Toz owners out there.

1. Do I need a special attachment to put a bipod on ?
2. What kind of sling works well ?
3. What brand/model of scope rings should i use?

Thank you, I appreciate any feed back you can give.

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First off, welcome to RFC! Glad to have another face around here

Now, to the good stuff...

1. Yes and no. You can mount a standard bipod on the frint swivel stud, but it would require slight modification to work properly.

The swivel stud is slightly smaller than American standard studs (not sure, but I'd expect it to be the same for Canada). The screw that goes through the center is likewise very slightly smaller than the standard ones I've seen; as such, a swivel stud mounted bipod cannot be mounted, as the attachment probably won't fit in the hole.

This can be remedied with a drill and a small drill bit. The stock sling swivels weren't cutting it for me (they broke on my 78's sister rifle, the TOZ 99 O.o), so I took a couple drill bits and slowly drilled the hole out to the size needed for standard swivels. It doesn't take much, so be very careful.

The stud is, as I said, smaller than standard as well; that is to say, the distance from one side of the stud to the other is less than standard studs, and as such any bipod or swivel meant for the standard will be loose and make a lot of noise. I solved this problem by using very small washers (1/8"?) as spacers. A little ghetto, but effective.

If you wanted to mount a bipod along with a sling, I'd suggest getting a sling-swivel installer kit from Walmart (or the equivalent), and just install it according to instructions. You could also replace the existing ones, but waste not want not .

2. If you keep the original swivels, you'll need to find a 3/4" sling for it. I haven't had a lot of luck there, but that's what you'll need. I upgraded my swivels and use a 1" quick-adjust sling from WallyWorld (~$15 altogether).

3. As noted above, a quick search of the Russian board will yield a great many threads on this very topic. I'm currently using cheap Leopuld split-half rings, high-mounts. I like the high mounts because it retains my iron sights without losing a decent cheek weld.

As for the scope rail:

I just finished measuring the last 1/2" of my 78's rail. It measure 9.50mm, or 3/8". Just as a warning though, a lot of rings listed as 3/8" won't grip this rail properly. I can't speak to why, but this seems to be the case (as you'll see from that search you've been running ).

Hope we've been helpful. Let us know with any other question you may have. Good luck, enjoy your fine little gun, and welcome again to RFC!
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Thank you everybody who replied to my post. I think I am going to try Warne 7.3 high rings on my TOZ, and see if I can get one of those sks slings.

Could we keep this thread going because there are still thing's I haven't decide on.




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For a sling, try Levi's slings. Need the "European" models.
Got them for my son and I at Reliable Sporting Goods in Vancouver. Nice leather, look really nice on the TOZ's.
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Today I have manneged to squeese an Uncle Mikes 3 point tactical sling on my Toz.

Just awaiting Warne 7.3 high rings from brownells and this Russian is ready for shooting.


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