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Old 02-19-2008, 08:48 PM
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I am looking at purchasing some additional 5 round mags for my Wildcat (TOZ-78) I downloaded Winchesters parts catalog and found out they are $30.00 each. But, the worst part is Winchester has designated the magazines, both 5 and 10 round versions as restricted parts. Both are designated "factory installation only, return firearm for installation"
So If I want a couple of extra mags I have to pay to ship my rifle to Winchester, have them fit the plastic magazines!!!!!
Has anybody else tried to purchase 5 round mags?

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Old 02-20-2008, 01:45 AM
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That is a dumb policy about the mags, I would try to talk to someone from Win customer service on the phone about this. Some fitting may be rquired. I found a dealer at the gun show with Wildcat 10rd mags for ten bucks each. My friend that also has a TOZ bought one and I bought one, but neither would lock up in his rifle so I bought his from him.
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Old 02-20-2008, 02:40 AM
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Magazine Issue

Too bad they make it like that. Make sure you write your serial number down before you send it in as I don't trust any company to get my order right until I get what I ordered to satisfaction. Haven't read any bad posts about people having the company lose their rifle...yet...

BTW, how is the Wildcat ammo? I'm using CCI because it is dirt cheap here in NY.
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Old 02-20-2008, 08:57 AM
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Well, I spoke with Winchester customer service this morning who verified that the magazines are factory installations only. Each magazine must be fit to the rifle. Thats just ridiculous, I think I will sell this rifle now before it raises my blood pressure any more than it has.
And, I was not impressed at all with the customer service rep. He didn't seem the least bit concerned with my questions and was no help at all. In addition to the magazine problem I tryed to discuss the fact that my stock is bunt orange in color and has a huge fish eye grain pattern in the middle of the butt stock and looks horrible. I have to pay to send the stock to them first before they will discuss any replacement.

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Old 02-20-2008, 10:46 AM
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Any factory rifle designed in this day and age that needs a hand-fitted magazine should be cut into quarters and used as a wind chime. ABSURDITY, thy name is Wildcat. Are you sure this is not a hoax?
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Old 02-20-2008, 11:24 AM
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Well, I spoke with Winchester customer service this morning who verified that the magazines are factory installations only. Each magazine must be fit to the rifle. Thats just ridiculous, I think I will sell this rifle now before it raises my blood pressure any more than it has.
And, I was not impressed at all with the customer service rep. He didn't seem the least bit concerned with my questions and was no help at all. In addition to the magazine problem I tryed to discuss the fact that my stock is bunt orange in color and has a huge fish eye grain pattern in the middle of the butt stock and looks horrible. I have to pay to send the stock to them first before they will discuss any replacement.
I guess this explains why TOZ78 magazines have the last digits of the serial no. electro-penciled on, kind of silly these days making magazines that have to be fit to a specific rifle.
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Old 02-20-2008, 12:41 PM
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Winchester prolly realized that each rifle's mag retention catch is slightly different due to loose fitting and imprecise manufacturing. They are likely trying to avoid people ordering mags from them and whining out their noses for hours on end, etc etc, about the mags not fitting immediately. I had a similar problem with my TOZ 99 mags, but they were easily adapted to fit, lock, and feed in both my 99 and 78; all it took was 2 minutes and a file.

If Winchester won't talk to you, even after you offer photos of the stock (I hope you offered :P), something is seriously wrong. I can kinda understand the mag thing-- I think it's rediculous, but I can understand-- but not accepting customer complaints about a bad stock is poor service indeed.

If you're still looking for more mags, you could try getting in contact with Tennessee Guns. They might sell you some spare TOZ mags, which should alos work in the Wildcat.
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Old 02-20-2008, 12:44 PM
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A thought: it appears to me that the TOZ mags are molded without the notch, then workers file out the notch till each mag will lock inot the rifle. If Winchester imported a bunch of mags without mag catches at all (haven't been filed yet), it would explain why they want to get the gun back before they let you have the mag.

Not saying it's an intelligent way of doing things, just a theory.
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Old 02-20-2008, 02:59 PM
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Any factory rifle designed in this day and age that needs a hand-fitted magazine should be cut into quarters and used as a wind chime. ABSURDITY, thy name is Wildcat. Are you sure this is not a hoax?

No sir, I assure you its no hoax. I also agree that a rifle produced today should not require the end consumer to have to pay to ship the rifle to the factory to simply get a magazine! Thats about as ridiculous as it gets!
The rep. told me on the phone " thats why we ship the rifle with 4 magazines".
Well, I don't particularly like the 10 round mags that stick out from under the stock like an assault rifle. Winchester gave me 3 of those, and only one 5 round mag that fits flush with the stock.
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Old 02-20-2008, 05:39 PM
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Maybe its just me, but if you ordered a rifle and the stock showed up looking like this, would you be satisfied?
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Old 02-20-2008, 06:27 PM
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I got 3 mags for a toz from a board member that came in today.I took the dremel to them and cut square notches and they feed as good as the factory mags.Took about 30 minutes taking my time.
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Old 02-20-2008, 09:11 PM
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Maybe its just me, but if you ordered a rifle and the stock showed up looking like this, would you be satisfied?

Hell, if that was a CZ someones panties would have gotten soaked by seeing that wood.

You need to put a sticker on it saying, " I got my eye on you...sucka!".

If it wasn't a brand new rifle I would just suggest to strip it and stain it with something darker and deeper but it's not.


As for the "factory fit and finish" magazine idea that would be OK if it was a one-off custom built rifle that cost thousands of dollars but for some reason it just doesn't catch my fancy with a $200 re-branded Russian rifle.


What it sounds like to me, if the magazines need to be made to fit a particular gun, is that the magazine latch is the problem piece here.

Is the magazine latch easily removed? My Target/Varmint is still on back-order at Zanders so whenever it arrives I'll be able to mess with mine but I think if we could compare releases from two different rifles we could see the problem/s....hopefully.

Scott


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Old 02-20-2008, 10:32 PM
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I haven't looked at a toz,but looking at the way the mags are on my wildcat and what I had to do to make the toz mags fit,the feed ramp must be a little different.The toz mags have a rounded cut at the frt and the win is square.After cutting the square they work fine.

These rifles and mags aren't exactly precision made,but shoot remarkably well.Evidently the time went in the barrel.

Oh,the finish on yours looks better than mine.If it comes to it,my ten year old can take stickers or camo paint and have it on his.
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Old 02-20-2008, 10:39 PM
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After re-examining the mags, I stick by my earlier statement. My Russian magazines straight from TOZ appear to have been molded into the main body shape of the magazine, without the notches, and had the notches filed/cut in afterward. Most likely, these notches were in a predetermined spot, but due to imperfections and loose tolerances in machinery or the parts themselves (the notches might even have been hand-cut O.o), some might have had to be fitted to individual rifles to make them work. I'd bet Winchester has mags with either pre-cut notches that they don't trust, or no notches at all. Maybe someone should call up Winchester and ask them?

BTW, how does your Wildcat shoot, Sheriff? We know the mag situation is bad and you don't like the stock, but I can't find anything in a quick search about any actual range trips with it. I think you're the only one on RFC reporting with a Wildcat, so the feedback would be greatly appreciated .
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Old 02-20-2008, 11:35 PM
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Why can't you simply send in one of the mags that came with the rifle and let them duplicate those proven deminsions on some new mags?

Sending in the rifle makes less/little sense to me.

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