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Old 10-23-2007, 12:55 PM
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I'm trying to decide on a heavy barrel, peep sighted .22 and I can't find direct info on the CM-2. I've actually got another thread going, here but would appreciate some views on the accuracy of the CM-2 compared to:

Kimber 82
Remington 513T
Remington 540X
and
Winchester 75.

Anybody got any direct comparisons?
Thanks,
RT

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Old 10-24-2007, 11:37 PM
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Here is pointer to CM-2

I'd call Mac Tilton at MT guns and ask him what he thinks - he sells new CM-2 for $480, and used 540x, Anschutz, Walther, FWB, BSA, Valmet, etc. He is a very niice guy and will tell it to you straight.

BTW you should consider an older used Anschutz, it is in another league from those you mentioned but will not cost that much more.

Here is a link to the spec sheet on the CM-2.

http://www.mtguns.com/pdfs/CM-2.pdf.pdf
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Old 10-27-2007, 10:33 PM
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.... I'm looking in the $3-400 range, maybe a shade more .... super accurate
Start saving your money for what you really want.
In the long run ... it will cost less,
if you go for the very best you can afford.

Vintage firearms are not inexpensive.
And, may require replacement parts that maybe hard to find.
As well as expensive, when you locate them.

In the meantime, shoot what you can realistically afford.
Can you temporarily settle for accurate, rather than super accurate.

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Kimber 82G VS CM2

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.... referring to the Kimber 82G from the CMP.

I purchased a used one back in January that was a "turn in" from the JROTC programs.
Mine was essentially brand new ... still had original preservative in the bolt and on the barrel.

I put a scope on it and took it to my club range that has a 100yd tunnel.
This gun shot shot sub inch groups with Wolf Match Target (about .86 c-c)

I think that this gun is a good gun, but it is awful heavy.

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That said .... I also use Russian CM-2's for my shooters in position shooting.
They will shoot as well as the Kimber 82G, are lighter, have an adjustable buttplate, and cost less.
The finish is not as nice as an Anschutz or the Kimber, and they are RH only.
( http://mtguns.com/cm-2.htm ) I have youth models as I can use them for my 10 year old shooters
and they are not much heavier than the sporter air rifles they also use .... the adult models are about 10 lbs.
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Having owned and shoot all the rifles mentioned ,,, in my humble opinion ,,, the CM-2 is the most gun for the money ,,, is more accurate than most "out of the box" ... and has all the features necessary to begin target shooting ... As mentioned is the adjustable butt plate, not mentioned ,,,excellent adjustable trigger and sights ,,, accessory rail ,,, free floated barrel ,,, and weight not excessive ....
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TargetTalk Post subject: CM-2 Cadet Rifles

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I'm trying to decide on a heavy barrel, peep sighted .22 and I can't find direct info on the CM-2.

TargetTalk: CM-2 Cadet Rifles

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Our club just took possession of 4 CM-2 Cadet (youth) rifles with money generously granted
by the Friends of the NRA Foundation....

.... Took them out today, and bolted on my daughter's 40X silhouette scope
and fired all 4 at 100 yards (off a rest) in a tunnel....

.... I am impressed with these rifles.
Every single one shot sub-1inch groups (10 shots) with the SK STD+ ammo we use for training.
Eley black and red were not significantly different (red was slighly worse).
The ammo that actually shot the tightest groups in the guns was Wolf Match Extra.
(the best I got was a ~.85 inch 10 shot group with one of the rifles)....
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Benchrest Central Forums: Ishmash/Kalashnikov CM-2

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I'm trying to decide on a heavy barrel, peep sighted .22 and I can't find direct info on the CM-2....
Benchrest Central Forums: Ishmash/Kalashnikov CM-2
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Inadequate for benchrest, but a nice 4-position gun.
Used one this summer in ARA, was nice to use a gun I already had to learn if I like the game or not,
but I would not recommend going out and getting one to start with.
Trigger is only slightly adjustable(22 oz), bolt moves, and the action is soft, so you have to watch what you do.
With those limitations, not a bad shooter, but don't expect to place with it. Good luck, Gary

Oops, easily shoots 5 shot groups under a dime at 50, can't hold a 100 on an ara target as you shift for each target.
Probably averaged a mid 1100 target with sk match, shot about the same with eley, so I didn't bother.
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Old 10-30-2007, 12:21 PM
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AOM, thanks, as usual, you are a font of information. Thanks for pointing me to those links, I'd missed the sites in my searches, and that's pretty much exactly what I was looking for.

On the Savage Mk II, I've looked at them before, and really like them, but it's not what I'm really after. I've only got one Savage, a model 12 in .223, that I was going to sell, but it was too accurate. Couldn't bear to part with it, so I'm kind of a fan...aside from their synthetic stocks. Anyway, I'm really wanting something with either a prone or 3-postion wood stock. (I just love wood.)

The links on the CM-2 and Kimber 82 make them sound about like a wash accuracy wise (~.85" at 100yds), not that I'll ever shoot that good, regardless of the rifle. So for the price, the CM-2 sounds like the deal. Like McBendy said, the most gun for the money, and I'm really big on value.

The other main competition, for me, is the Remington 513T. I know it's not as accurate, but sometimes certain guns just strike a chord, ya know?

So, thanks a bunch guys, I think I can eliminate the 82G in favor of the CM-2.

One other question...
McBendy, how would you rate the CM-2 to the Rem 513T strictly on an accuracy comparison?
Thanks,
RT

P.S. I put in a bid for a 513T really cheap. It's not perfect, but has the Redfield Olympic target sights. If someone outbids me, I may go ahead and order a CM-2.
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2002 Gun Trader's Guide

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P.S. I put in a bid for a 513T really cheap .... If someone outbids me, I may go ahead and order a CM-2.
GunBroker.com Message Forums: Remington 513T
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No 513T mentioned in 2002 Gun Trader's Guide
BUT,
Model 513TR Matchmaster
Bolt-action Target Rifle............NIB $331 Ex $265 Gd $180
Caliber:22Lr. 6 shot detachable box magazine.27" barrel.
Weight:about 9 lbs.Sights:Redfeild No.75 rear;globe front.
Target stock.Sling and swivels.Made 1941-69

also shows:
Model 513S.........................NIB $706 Ex $565 Gd $384
22 Lr. 6 shot detachable box magazine.27" barrel
Weight:about 6.5 lbs. Marble open rear sight,Partridge-type frt.
Checkered sporter stock.Made1941-56.
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Red Tornado ,,, I'd rate the accuracy of the CM-2 and 513-T as about equal ... However, I've shot the 513-T much much more ... The CM-2 was the first brandy new rifle I'd purchased for a long time and glad I did as it's accurate plus I really enjoy shooting it ... The stock configurations are different and the CM-2 is a little more shooter friendly ....

I'm the first to admit, I'm partial toward the 513-T as it's the first target rifle I ever purchased in 1956 ...!
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Old 10-31-2007, 10:59 AM
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AOM, you came through again. Ya know, I had never really even notice that Gunbroker had a forum. D'oh! Great information there, even if some of it was dated.

McBendy, thanks for the straight comparison. I think I'll probably keep looking for a 513T if it's really close to the CM-2, accuracy wise. That helps a lot. I didn't want to sacrifice too much accuracy for aesthetics, and it sounds like I won't have to. Thanks a bunch, I will have a 513T.

Oops, Russian forum. What I meant was, I will have a CM-2...just not until after I get a 513T.

I'll post pics, etc. when I finally get one.
Thanks,
RT

P.S. BTW, if anybody has more advice/opinions, I'm still more than happy to listen.
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Cm-2

I'm A BR shooter and have been for years but after watching the silhouette shooters and the position shooters having A blast shooting together the bug bit.

I bought A CM-2 about two years ago.
I wanted A beginner gun for position and silhouette shooting.
The CM-2 is ready to go rite out of the box.
It comes with sights A handful of front and rear apitures A sling (not very good) there is already A rail in the stock A cleaning rod with brushes just add ammo.
It shoots very good I haven't had one problem with it.

I know four people who have bought the Kimber from the CMP not one of them shoots as good as the CM-2.
To be honest not one of them was better than 3\4" at 50m.
Out of the 4 guys who bought Kimbers only one guy still has one the other 3 got rid of them.
I also know of others from different clubs who had the same experience with the Kimbers.

A word of advice do not take the CM-2 bolt apart it will scare the crap out of you.
Honest to god it looks like someone built it in there garage with A hammer and file.
Crude doesn't come close to describing it... It didn't break or anything.
I just wanted to see what made it tick it shoots like A house afire.
Anything that isn't A mating surface isn't machined or cleaned up in any respect.
If it doesn't rub on anything and fits in the bolt body they didn't touch it never seen anything like it.
I still don't know how A gun that looks like that on the inside shoots so darn good.

I'm seriously thinking about cleaning it up on the inside machining some of its parts and making some parts from scratch just to see how accurate it can be made.
I'm taking about seeing if it can be made BR accurate.

Either way I wouldn't hesitate A minute recommending A CM-2 to someone who wanted to get into silhouette or position shooting.
Its ready to go out of the box comes with everything you need to get started.
Anyone who's thinking about getting into silhouette or position shooting isn't going to be able to take advantage of the accuracy gain you get with an Anschutz that costs 3 times as much.

It takes A lot of practice to be able to tell if its the gun ammo combination thats having A problem any particular day or its the shooter.

I should of taken up silhouette shooting A long time ago.
Its A blast, that guy next to you thats shooting A $4000.00 gun doesn't really have an advantage he has to be able to shoot that $4000.00 gun off hand.
The shooter is A much bigger part of the equation in silhouette shooting.
In BR the more money you have the smaller the group.
That doesn't apply nearly as much in silhouette.

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Talking cm-2 accuracy

i bought a cm-2 a few months put a 10-40 tasco
on it used millett rings. Shoots very well with better
ammo, i can throw this thing in the car and go to
the range and have a good time. i adjusted the trigger
down as light as i could get it, put in a lighter spring
did a little filing, trigger pull now is 8.4oz. at fifty yards
it makes a nice 1 hole group 5 shots. if i do my part.
never misfired yet. it won't outshoot a suhl or a 40
but it's a heck of alot easier to pack around. makes
a great squirrel rifle. the one i have is the cadet real light
just wish it had a magazine so i could shoot in ir50/50
sporter class.
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Welcome to the Russian forum.... Tom c.
I have a CM-2 also & the lightest I can get my
trigger down to is 1.5lbs.
I am interest to here how & which spring you
replaced. I will start a new thread on the CM-2 trigger
are you game ????
I use my CM-2 Cadet as a bench rest rifle & it does
quite well in the factory stock class.
https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums...d.php?t=200548
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...1/100_3711.jpg
Thats at 50 yards.
https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums...d.php?t=182235
The Cm-2 can hold its own with other rifles in its intermediate target rifle class.

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Old 12-13-2007, 11:05 AM
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cm-2 trigger

i'll have to take it apart and take a look
i checked it with a lyman digital pull guage.
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