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Old 01-27-2007, 12:26 PM
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Here's an interesting Sobol from Russia.

Here's the link to the larger picture.
http://www.izhmash.ru/pix/sobol_big.jpg

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Old 03-10-2007, 09:59 PM
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SOBOL Factory Custom

This Sobol thread maybe of interest

SOBOL Factory Custom by

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LEGION Ltd. was founded on the basis of Izhevsk Arms Factory. The company produces and sells on the internal market the products of improved quality by Izhevsk Arms Factory. Firearms weapons produced by the company features high quality, period artistic treatment (threading, engraving, incrustation) and improved finishing.

All the rifled carbines are selected by fire accuracy. All the visible metal details are carefully polished (on order - oxide coating).

Carrier and trigger are chrome-plated.

Threading, engraving and incrustation are used for decorative finishing. Wooden parts are made of walnut oily polished.

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LEGION Ltd - Izhevsk Arms Factory

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Combining Old World European gunsmithing techniques with 21st technology, the Legion line of rifles will quickly set themselves apart as one of the finest overall 22 caliber target rifles. Each rifle is hand-crafted, and includes standard features such as:
• Bull barrel• Free-floated barrel• Hammer-forged barrel
• Glass beaded• Custom target trigger• Target crown
With all of these features coming as standard equipment on the Legion rifles, Legion is sure to set the standard for custom rifles.

S22 High Gloss



S22 Matte Finish



S22M 22 WMR



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SPECS for all 22s shown above:
Caliber: 22
Barrel Length: 19.7"
Overall Length: 40"
Mag Cap: 5 rds
Weight: 6.6 lbs.

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Legion Target Rifle


SHOT Show 2007 - Day 2

T&G International's new Legion Target Rifle.

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I like the stocks.

Well, I'm going to see if TG can get me a couple of true SV-99 stocks since I haven't heard anything from RAA.

I contacted them tonight so I my inquiery should get shot down by the weekend.

I'll probably get the same cold shoulder but at least I'm trying.

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Parts & Voluntary Restraining Agreement

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The Voluntary Restraining Agreement also restricts the importation of parts for firearms not on the list.

Incidently, I've updated the Restaining List: ADDITIONS Annex A: Firearms Permitted to Be Imported into the United States from the Russian Federation

The SV-99 is not on the approved list for import. Then, neither would parts for the SV-99 be allowed to enter the US.

However, if a foreign stockmaker where the SV-99 is allowed to be imported maybe able to produce a replica stock. A replica stock should not pose any importation problems.

Perhaps, searching for a stockmaker in Australia or New Zealand would be a good start.

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Hmmm....Well, I knew the SV-99 was only legal to import for military or Law Enforcement but as for the stocks, that truly is a head scratcher.

I could see their point of view since it does come with a pistol grip and would make the BB illegal unless registered as a SBR if the factory barrel was cut down.

The factory barrel length would still be legal with the Pistol grip but, I wouldn't use the pistol grip to begin with so that could be eliminated from the equation.

I'll keep my searching for something that will work.

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Firearms: Component or Part

Russia Agreement On Firearms And Ammunition

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Article 1: Definitions.
(b) "Firearm" means any nonautomatic, semiautomatic, or automatic firearm, to caliber .50 (12.7 mm) inclusive other than a shotgun, or any component or part for such firearm.
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Article 2: Firearms and Ammunition Export Prohibitions.

The Government of the Russian Federation shall not allow the exportation from the Russian Federation, destined to the United States, of the following firearms and ammunition:

(a) any firearm, including any new model firearm, except a firearm described in Annex A to this Agreement;

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Only the following stipulated firearms models or parts for these models are importable under the present agreement.

The additions to Annex A did not change the parts stipulation.
Essentially ... No wiggle room.
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So has any one actually got one of these yet? They look too cool and are definitely a rare offering thus far...I like it.

I spoke to Ryan at TGI and he mentioned that there is a special dealer pricing per case. (I.E. 10/case) Hmmm...seems like we might be able to do better than $799 price if in a group...and through a dealer.
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Legion Sobol - Better Price

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.... I spoke to Ryan at TGI and he mentioned that there is a special dealer pricing per case. (I.E. 10/case) Hmmm...seems like we might be able to do better than $799 price if in a group...and through a dealer.
I emailed TGI a couple of weeks ago .... I even included my home phone number!
Still haven't received a response.
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I am interested in purchasing a Legion .22lr.
Do you have any photos of the rifles you have in your inventory?
I would like to select a stock that is most appealing to me.

----- Original Message -----
From: "TG International" <[email protected]>
To: "'aom22'" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 12:04 PM
Subject: RE: Question regarding GunBroker.com Item 82479678


We have only imported these Sobol rifles from Legion. We have about 30 left
in stock, and you can purchase them direct through you FFL dealer. We will
import more if the market demands it. Thank you,


Ryan Patrick
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TG International, Inc.
865.977.9707 x 25
865.977.9728 fax
I'm ready to buy a LEGION Sobol .... but, not at MSRP.
I'd probabaly suffer from buyers' regret by paying full price.

TOU, if you can negotiate with TGI for a realistic price,
I'll buy one with you.

If anyone is interested in the LEGION Sobol, do yourself a favor,
by reading these threads:
Biathlon Basic 7-2KO (BI-7-2KO) & Izhmash Sobol (Sable): Factory Custom by Legion
Fancy stocked Sobol
Sobol Hunting Rifle (.22lr) - IZHMASH (Izhevsk Arms Factory)
Check out T&G international offering from the SHOT show.
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I'm ready to buy a LEGION Sobol .... at a better price.

TOU, if you can negotiate with TGI for a reasonable price,
I'll buy one with you.
I actually have and got my response this morning...but it is for a group buy of 10 rifles...and they will send to individual FFL's. Keep in mind though, while the price is better, they weren't as cheap to begin with as one might think, even at their wholesale prices. Next they were priced originally at nearly $1000. Yes, we can buy a BB for $350-$400. But can you buy one with gloss bluing? With a European Walnut Manlicher Schnabel forended stock...with the obvious additions? With iron sights? I won't get into the toggle or toggle hardware as some like it...some don't.

These rifles are custom in every way...and imported only in a small number...I mean small. What if I told you it was less than 50 total pieces? I was told that they will most likely NOT be bringing anymore in as they didn't sell well. I think part of the problem is that at the price range...it is easily Annie Country but they are rare and maybe no more. BTW, the 22 WMR's never made it in. I have also learned a few more pertinent details about these specific rifles.

PM me if interested...seriously.

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Gun Broker: Legion Sobol

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Legion Sobol , .22lr target rifle, New Custom

Started at: $799.00
BuyNow! Price for $899.00
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These are some of the neatest .22 target rifles I have seen I a while. The Sobol rifle is made in handcrafted by Legion in Russia, and boasts one of the smoothest, slickest, most unique toggle actions I’ve ever seen. These rifles come standard with a 20” hammer-forged, glass-bedded, free-floating bull barrel, finished with a deep target crown. They also feature custom target triggers and a unique toggle action, making follow-up shots accurate and fast. These rifles are renowned for their old-world attention to detail and fine quality custom manufacturing. They include 3-5 round magazines, with the two spares being housed in a compartment in the hardwood stock. As usual, you have a 5 day inspection period, and this rifle will be shipped UPS ground to an FFL holder only. Thank you for looking
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TGI: Legion Sobol ... Lower Price

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Legion Sobol , .22lr target rifle, New Custom

Started at: $679.00
BuyNow! Price for $799.00
# of bids 0


Subject: Reply to Message from TGI Online Store
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Do you have any of the Legion Sobol in the high gloss finish?
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Everything I have left is a matte finish (Russians Call it Oxide). Thanks,

Ryan Patrick
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TG International
865-977-9119 x25
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Before long they will become like the Winchester Wildcat and they will become a steal. Beautiful rifles no doubt, but seeing that no one can seem to sell any then not much of a collectoers peice if no one wants one. The laws of supply and demand are in full effect. Maybe the will be under $400 before too long. Someonw is losing thier %%% on these babies.
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Lower Priced Legion Sobol

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Before long they will become like the Winchester Wildcat and they will become a steal....
I think they're a steal at the current price.
So much so ... I thinking of buying another.
I just have to figure-out how to keep the wife from finding out.



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Beautiful rifles no doubt, but seeing that no one can seem to sell any then not much of a collectoers peice if no one wants one. The laws of supply and demand are in full effect.
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However, what the Legion represents ... is in the eye of the beholder.
To me, it is am outstanding example of what Russian firearms craftsman
are capable of producing in a rimfire rifle.

Will it maintain its value or appreciate? Probably not.
Sad to say. But, such is the case with Russian firearms.
I am not a gun trader/investor ... I'm a shooter.
The Sobol is a highly stylized and accurized Biathlon Basic.

For now and the foreseeable future,
the Legion Sobol will be the ultimate BB.



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Someonw is losing thier %%% on these babies.
Looks like TGI is in the process of doing so.
As such, it will be very unlikely TGI will ever import anymore .22 Legions.

This will be a loss to the Russian Rimfire community.

Moreover, with the experience TGI has had with the Legion Sobol.
Will TGI gamble on importing the URAL 5-1 & 6-2 Series or a TOZ 78 Souvenir?

Given TGIs Sobol experience ... most likely not.
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