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Old 05-17-2017, 03:44 PM
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Question Vortex Optics... RED DOT Viper vs Venom



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hello all,

I'm fairly new to the site here
I've got a Ruger MARK IV LITE (in black) on order with my local gun shop

I'm looking into a nice compact and simple optic (I'd like to get into steel target challenges)


I'm leaning towards the Vortex http://www.vortexoptics.com Red dots

honestly,
I cant really tell what/if there are any real differences in the Venom and Viper red dot optics.
Venom Viper

BTW they both MSRP for $329 and are available on Amazon.com for $229 (free shipping and great return policy)

looking at the photos,
the Venom can definitely have the battery replaced from the top (without removing the sight from the rail)
I cant tell with the Viper

can you guys help me out?



Venom 6 MOA dot (also available in 3 MOA dot)
http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/...-dot-6-moa-dot

Adjustment Graduation 1 MOA
Max Elevation Adjustment 130 MOA
Max Windage Adjustment 100 MOA
Parallax Setting Parallax Free
Length 1.9 inches
Weight 1.1 ounces* The Venom comes with a Picatinny mount—weighs 1.6 ounces with mount.




Viper 6 MOA dot
http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/...-dot-6-moa-dot

Adjustment Graduation 1 MOA
Max Elevation Adjustment 120 MOA
Max Windage Adjustment 120 MOA
Parallax Setting Parallax free
Length 1.8 inches
Weight 1.1 ounces* The Viper comes with a Picatinny mount—weighs 2.1 ounces with mount.

the Viper is waterproof



EDIT:
it looks like they are both waterproof
(viper shows it in the overview, they both show it in the features)

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Old 05-17-2017, 03:57 PM
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I guess
while I'm asking these N00B questions on the Vortex Red Dot sights
I should also ask if anyone has any opinions on the Burris FastFire III Red Dots http://www.burrisoptics.com/sights/f...ies/fastfire-3
available in 3 MOA and 8 MOA dot

209.99 on Amazon.com
https://www.amazon.com/Burris-300234.../dp/B007I9D8QE

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I have mounted 2 Venom's on AR's and I opted for the 3 MOA dot..
The handgun Steel shooters can shed light on the dot size.. that I do not do.
But, I own many different red dots and out of the herd I can say the Venom is superb. The differences in those 2 models are subtle... may take a call to a Rep. at Vortex to get to the bottom of the differences. Makes me wonder WHY they have 2 that are almost identical..
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I guess I could always save myself a little money and go with a SIGHTMARK http://www.sightmark.com/


Sightmark Core Shot $129.97
https://www.amazon.com/Sightmark-SM2.../dp/B008MNHOJC

or Mini Shot is only $55.44
https://www.amazon.com/Sightmark-Min...KG939Y7V0JGT5B


the Sure shot and Ultra shot look to be a bit bulky for a pistol

the Sure shot is only $40
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000W4BQ7K...ing=UTF8&psc=1
Sure Shot Pluss $63.99
https://www.amazon.com/Sightmark-Sur...sure+shot+plus

and Ultra Shot for $98
https://www.amazon.com/Sightmark-SM2...ark+ultra+shot
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I have Sightmarks on a Buckmark and a 10/22.. decent for the money but if you want better the Vortex is way way better in every way..worth every penny.
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The differences in those 2 models are subtle...
may take a call to a Rep. at Vortex to get to the bottom of the differences.

Makes me wonder WHY they have 2 that are almost identical..
that's prettymuch where I am
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I have Sightmarks on a Buckmark and a 10/22.. decent for the money but if you want better the Vortex is way way better in every way..worth every penny.
I first started looking at the sightmarks for my Hi-Point .45acp Carbine
they make a 3x (as well as a 5x and 7x) multiplier that CoWitnesses with the UltraShot

like this






https://www.amazon.com/Sightmark-Ult...B39BX9K837PVKB

https://www.amazon.com/Sightmark-SM1...XSF9JRKW5TT64R


the Hi-Point is a $350 carbine that shoots .45acp and will probably not ever get fired over about 50 yards or so

while my Mark IV will likely be used for a little more accuracy

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Shop around on the Viper.... Optics Planet WILL take a offer... I got my last one at $197 IIRC / free ship... offered it on-line with a chat rep... they took it.. Don't sweat the return policy.. you won't. I am anti-Amazon if I can find it elsewhere cheeper.. Amazon is a Pimp.
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Shop around on the Viper.... Optics Planet WILL take a offer... I got my last one at $197 IIRC / free ship... offered it on-line with a chat rep... they took it.. Don't sweat the return policy.. you won't. I am anti-Amazon if I can find it elsewhere cheeper.. Amazon is a Pimp.
as a matter of fact,
I've been told I can get the sight for 40% off msrp ($329 -40% ($131.60) = 197.40)

I normally use Amazon as my target price
and give a small local retailer (like my Local Gun Shop) the opportunity to price match
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hello all,

I'm fairly new to the site here
I've got a Ruger MARK IV LITE (in black) on order with my local gun shop

I'm looking into a nice compact and simple optic (I'd like to get into steel target challenges)


I'm leaning towards the Vortex http://www.vortexoptics.com Red dots

honestly,
I cant really tell what/if there are any real differences in the Venom and Viper red dot optics.
Venom Viper

BTW they both MSRP for $329 and are available on Amazon.com for $229 (free shipping and great return policy)

looking at the photos,
the Venom can definitely have the battery replaced from the top (without removing the sight from the rail)
I cant tell with the Viper

can you guys help me out?



Venom 6 MOA dot (also available in 3 MOA dot)
http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/...-dot-6-moa-dot

Adjustment Graduation 1 MOA
Max Elevation Adjustment 130 MOA
Max Windage Adjustment 100 MOA
Parallax Setting Parallax Free
Length 1.9 inches
Weight 1.1 ounces* The Venom comes with a Picatinny mount—weighs 1.6 ounces with mount.




Viper 6 MOA dot
http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/...-dot-6-moa-dot

Adjustment Graduation 1 MOA
Max Elevation Adjustment 120 MOA
Max Windage Adjustment 120 MOA
Parallax Setting Parallax free
Length 1.8 inches
Weight 1.1 ounces* The Viper comes with a Picatinny mount—weighs 2.1 ounces with mount.

the Viper is waterproof



EDIT:
it looks like they are both waterproof
(viper shows it in the overview, they both show it in the features)
I've had both but returned the Venom for another Viper. One is mounted on my Ruger Mark IV 22/45 Lite Bronze and the other is on my M&P Core FS9. The Viper is slightly lower than the Venom but requires removing the sight to replace the battery. You can replace the battery on the Venom without disturbing Zero. I just re-zero if necessary. I cared more about the height above the bore.
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I have a Venom 3 MOA. I like the facts that battery can be changed from the top, and there are no locking screws for windage and elevation.

Both Vortex and Burris have a lifetime warranty, with no proof of purchase needed.
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I've had both but returned the Venom for another Viper. One is mounted on my Ruger Mark IV 22/45 Lite Bronze and the other is on my M&P Core FS9. The Viper is slightly lower than the Venom but requires removing the sight to replace the battery. You can replace the battery on the Venom without disturbing Zero. I just re-zero if necessary. I cared more about the height above the bore.
thanks

that's prettymuch what I found ion here

https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums...d.php?t=885058

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Viper was designed specifically for pistols. Venom was not. It is more general purpose, working as well on a rifle, like an AR.

Viper sits lower than the Venom, which is nice on a pistol, especially one without a milled slide.

Viper requires you to unmount it to replace the battery, which loads in the bottom. Venom battery loads from the top. No need to unmount it to swap the battery.

Viper only comes in 6 MOA. Venom comes in 3 or 6 MOA.

Viper has more windage adjustment. Venom has more elevation adjustment, which I find more important. Differences are not huge either way though.



Summary: If you want 3 MOA and/or a top load battery, it's the Venom. If you want as low as possible, it's the Viper.

as I have no experience with red dot type optics.
or optics on pistols at all.

I'm still unsure if the toploading battery is a big deal or not
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Viper 6MOA at Midway... $179.99 and free ship

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/83...dot-_-20170518
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thanks

that's prettymuch what I found ion here

https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums...d.php?t=885058




as I have no experience with red dot type optics.
or optics on pistols at all.

I'm still unsure if the toploading battery is a big deal or not
To me is a big deal, I had a old 1st gen Fast Fire RDS, After I change the battery, I lost my zero on my sight.

Also there is no battery cover on the viper, One pro on the viper is sit lower than Venom. They both are good RDS with stupid warranty.

Just look how many people happy with the Venom on the Mark IV compare the Viper. My .02 cents worth.

I'm waiting for my FastFire dovetail base mount come in today for my Venom.
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I've had a Burris FF3 on both a 44mag handgun and a 45-70 rifle and they've both held up very, very well. I don't have even on negative comment to make with their product and the warranty is there if you even need it. I'd guess Vortex is equally as good since they're probably made by the same company.
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