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Old 09-05-2011, 10:16 PM
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Hi Rick,

I thought the serial was high. Here is a pic. The end zero looks slightly different than the rest of the serial number. The CMP paperwork/cert lists it as 33110 which is the number they got from the Army and verified on the rifle. So, what's the deal with this one being so far out of range? Maybe the end zero was added later for some reason? Although it is blued in the recess......

I was hoping you would know.

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After close examination with a magnifying glass I observed that the bluing is flecked off where the U.S. was stamped (indicating it was stamped after the receiver was blued) and the end zero on the serial number is fully blued with no flecking. However, the end zero has raised ridges that weren't polished off prior to bluing like the rest of the serial number which could indicate it was stamped somewhere between the final polish and bluing (done by Mossberg). Possibly to correct a duplicate serial number issue?

Definitely a mystery, looks like I will have "high" number on the list for awhile

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Also, FWIW, none of mine say Ac-Kro-Gruv on the barrel as indicated in the photo by txdude. When did they stop putting that on the barrel?

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Old 09-06-2011, 06:55 PM
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I would say it was a duplicate SN that was corrected prior the the rifle leaving the factory......but we will never know for sure. All three of my 144US' have no Ac Kro Gruv barrel mark. It was possibly rebarreled somewhere down the road. Regards, Rick.
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I would say it was a duplicate SN that was corrected prior the the rifle leaving the factory......but we will never know for sure. All three of my 144US' have no Ac Kro Gruv barrel mark. It was possibly rebarreled somewhere down the road. Regards, Rick.
Yep, I agree, duplicate serial # seems to be the best guess.

My barrels are like yours with no Ac Kro Gruv marking, so you are saying the txdude's 144US barrel is possibly a replacement? So the Ac Kro Gruv marking is found on later 144's such as the LSB? Sorry for the questions, just curious since his was different.

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Yep, I agree, duplicate serial # seems to be the best guess.

My barrels are like yours with no Ac Kro Gruv marking, so you are saying the txdude's 144US barrel is possibly a replacement? So the Ac Kro Gruv marking is found on later 144's such as the LSB? Sorry for the questions, just curious since his was different.

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Yes and yes. As I understand it, the 144US were made before AKG barrels. That said, damguy says they were made up until "around 1960" and therefor, anything is possible. That's another reason for the survey. I believe the ac kro gruv mark came out in 1958 or so. Is far as I've been able to determine, the pre ac kro gruv barrels are no different than the ones so marked. Regards, Rick.
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Old 09-15-2011, 08:28 PM
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Hi Rick,

I was going through my "stash" and found 6 more 144US barreled receivers I got from the CMP. They are minus sights and stocks but here are the serial numbers anyway.

Interestingly enough, there is another one with a zero at the end in the low 30K range. I only own 9 144US Mossbergs, what are the odds I ended up with TWO in the 30K range! Maybe there is more to the story here than a simple duplicate serial number......

1164 Barreled receiver, from the CMP
2049 Barreled receiver, from the CMP
2298 Barreled receiver, from the CMP
4299 Barreled receiver, from the CMP
4644 Barreled receiver, from the CMP
32660 Barreled receiver, from the CMP

I'll post a pic of the 32660 serial number when I get back home.

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Key points of interest are the barrel dimensions, magazine type and sights. I will post what's already here. If you don't know what you have, just take a picture and we'll figure it out.


0182, Beech , Redfield 68, 75 rcvr, 27 1/4, 13/16 no taper, OEM 3235 mag
0278 Birch?, Lyman 57MS, Lyman 17A, .865 to .920, no hole mag
0889, Beech, Redfield 68, 75 rcvr, 27 1/4,Tapered .875 to .921 , 2384 one hole mag
1155, Birch, Redfield 68, 78 rcvr., 27 1/4, .920- .875 taper, 3 mags: 3235, 2384, R498 or R632
1164, CMP barreled action
1362, Birch, Redfield 68, 75 rcvr, 27 1/4, tapered .865 to .914, Mag ?
1464, Beech? Redfield 68, 75 rcvr, 27 1/4, .875 no taper, one hole mag
2049, CMP barreled action
2298, CMP barreled action
2430, Birch, Redfield 68, 75 rcvr, Barrel 27 1/4", Tapered .865 to .920, no Mag, from CMP
2501, ? , Redfield 68, 75 rcvr, ? ?
2847, Beech, Redfield 68, 75 rcvr, barrel 27 1/4, Tapered .875 to .920, OEM Mag
2884, Birch, Redfield 68, 75 rcvr, Barrel 27 1/4", Tapered .865 to .920, no Mag, from CMP
2925, Beech, Redfield 68, 75 rcvr, Barrel 27 1/4, Tapered .875 to .920, OEM Mag
3118, Birch, ? front sight, Moss S-330 rcvr, ? dimensions
3327, Birch, Redfield 68, 75 rcvr, Barrel 27 1/4, Tapered .865 to .920, OEM Mag
4299, CMP barreled action
4644, CMP barreled action
32660, CMP barreled action
33110?, Birch, Lyman 17AMI, No rear sight, Barrel 27 1/4", Tapered .865 to .920, 3235 OEM Mag, from CMP
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Old 09-16-2011, 10:13 AM
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Interesting they both end in zero as the odds are not good. That said, we may be on to something as two mistakes have bad odds too! Or there may be a range of several hundred with 5 digit SN's. Good stuff. Regards, Rick.

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Old 09-16-2011, 11:12 AM
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I agree, the zeros are an enigma. When I get back home in a couple of weeks I'll measure the barrel dimensions of the barreled receivers for the list also.

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Had a question on the AC-KRO-GRUV barrel as well..ser#0127 has it..#3476 does not
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I can add 5 serial numbers. All came from the CMP, 2 as complete rifles and 3 as barreled receivers. They all had the standard barrels that came from the CMP, flush at receiver and slight taper to the muzzle. Complete rifles had the redfield rear sights and birch stocks, no mags.

0804 complete
1574 barreled receiver
1963 barreled receiver
2204 complete
3663 barreled receiver

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Old 10-01-2011, 09:26 PM
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Key points of interest are the barrel dimensions, magazine type and sights. I will post what's already here. If you don't know what you have, just take a picture and we'll figure it out.


0182, Beech , Redfield 68, 75 rcvr, 27 1/4, 13/16 no taper, OEM 3235 mag
0278 Birch?, Lyman 57MS, Lyman 17A, .865 to .920, no hole mag
0804 Birch, Lyman 57MS, Lyman 17A, .865 to .920, no hole mag
0889, Beech, Redfield 68, 75 rcvr, 27 1/4,Tapered .875 to .921 , 2384 one hole mag
1155, Birch, Redfield 68, 78 rcvr., 27 1/4, .920- .875 taper, 3 mags: 3235, 2384, R498 or R632
1164, CMP barreled action
1362, Birch, Redfield 68, 75 rcvr, 27 1/4, tapered .865 to .914, Mag ?
1464, Beech? Redfield 68, 75 rcvr, 27 1/4, .875 no taper, one hole mag
1574, Beech, barreled rcvr
1963, Lyman 57MS, Lyman 17A, .865 to .920, no hole mag
2049, CMP barreled action
2204, Lyman 57MS, Lyman 17A, .865 to .920, no hole mag
2298, CMP barreled action
2430, Birch, Redfield 68, 75 rcvr, Barrel 27 1/4", Tapered .865 to .920, no Mag, from CMP
2501, ? , Redfield 68, 75 rcvr, ? ?
2847, Beech, Redfield 68, 75 rcvr, barrel 27 1/4, Tapered .875 to .920, OEM Mag
2884, Lyman 57MS, Lyman 17A, .865 to .920, no hole mag
2925, Beech, Redfield 68, 75 rcvr, Barrel 27 1/4, Tapered .875 to .920, OEM Mag
3118, Birch, ? front sight, Moss S-330 rcvr, ? dimensions
3327, Birch, Redfield 68, 75 rcvr, Barrel 27 1/4, Tapered .865 to .920, OEM Mag
3663, CMP barreled action
4299, CMP barreled action
4644, CMP barreled action
32660, CMP barreled action
33110?, Birch, Lyman 17AMI, No rear sight, Barrel 27 1/4", Tapered .865 to .920, 3235 OEM Mag, from CMP
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I would say it was a duplicate SN that was corrected prior the the rifle leaving the factory......but we will never know for sure. All three of my 144US' have no Ac Kro Gruv barrel mark. It was possibly rebarreled somewhere down the road. Regards, Rick.
I noticed this seam on the barrel of my 144US. Would this indicate it was rebarreled?

I also thought that the white in the US & Serial # may have been something that the seller put on it to highlite the lettering, but in cleaning the barrel this does not want to be removed. Any clues on this?

I should be wrapping up the cleanup of this soon. I will post pictures when I get it completed.

Dennis

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[QUOTE=txdude;3691841]I noticed this seam on the barrel of my 144US. Would this indicate it was rebarreled?

I also thought that the white in the US & Serial # may have been something that the seller put on it to highlite the lettering, but in cleaning the barrel this does not want to be removed. Any clues on this?

I should be wrapping up the cleanup of this soon. I will post pictures when I get it completed.

Dennis

That seam is correct for an original barrel. The white highlight usually is chalk. Use a toothbrush and a good solvent to remove the stuff whatever it is. 0278 is an early one....the barrel is probably not marked Ac-Kro-Gruv? Regards, Rick.
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