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Old 09-28-2010, 09:52 PM
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A friend of mine purchased a new Henry Pump .22 H003T.
He tells me that when you change the hammer from cocked to half-cocked (safety) the bold releases. He found this out accidently when he was having light primer strikes on some cases. Some rounds would fire. I have looked this up and this is how the rifle is designed. He contacted Henry and they told him the rifle operates this way. I am sorry but I believe that any rifle designed in such a way that it will fire out of battery is inherently unsafe.
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Old 09-28-2010, 10:47 PM
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Forgive my ignorance, but how could it fire out of battery if the safety is engaged? The half-cock safety locks the trigger, which means the hammer can't drop on an unlocked bolt...
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Looked it up where? I have same rifle. My theory on the light primer strikes is he is not racking the slide forward to home all the way, or after doing so is pulling back on the slide a bit and then pulling the trigger. While gun is full cocked and I pull the slide back it won't open, but then while pulling the trigger with my thumb on the hammer and let hammer down easy, I can feel the hammer hang up on the trigger at the half cock. That's why I think slide must be fully forward. I have experienced no FTF or FTE, and firing pin strike looks decent/normal.
I also noticed while holding the trigger back and racking the slide the hammer will fall all the way, leading me to believe the gun would slam fire. Tried this with live ammo and it wouldn't slam fire.
It's one of the few lever/slide action guns that's strong enough for 22Mag.

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Old 09-29-2010, 12:08 AM
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Sorry for the confusion. When the hammer is placed in the half-cock position the
bolt unlocks, as per the company rep says. If the hammer is re cocked from the half-cocked position the bolt is still out of battery and will fire.
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Old 09-29-2010, 12:23 AM
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If you think the rifle is unsafe and don't want it, let me know. I'll take it off your hands. I can't locate any around here right now.
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When the hammer is placed in the half-cock position the bolt unlocks, as per the company rep says. If the hammer is re cocked from the half-cocked position the bolt is still out of battery and will fire.
That sounds fishy to me--I'm not sure he's right about that. That would make the half-cock worthless as a safety, in which case, why have it at all? That would also mean that we would have heard dozens, if not hundreds, of stories about Henry pump rifles firing out of battery, because they would do it every time someone used the half-cock safety.

What are you supposed to do after placing the hammer on half-cock? Rack the slide again and spit a live round out on the ground? That doesn't make sense. Surely they didn't design it that way. Maybe I'm missing something.
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A friend of mine purchased a new Henry Pump .22 H003T.
He tells me that when you change the hammer from cocked to half-cocked (safety) the bold releases. He found this out accidently when he was having light primer strikes on some cases. Some rounds would fire. I have looked this up and this is how the rifle is designed. He contacted Henry and they told him the rifle operates this way. I am sorry but I believe that any rifle designed in such a way that it will fire out of battery is inherently unsafe.
JungleMan,

Well going on the Assumption that You Think that Henry is Mass Produceing an Unsafe Gun,, and That Your Friend should not be a shooting his Henry Pump H003T.

I would be willing to Test Your Friend's Gun for a Period of Time,, just to make sure that all is well. My Testing is Very Thurough. I would say for at least a Year of Plenty of Shooting to Make sure that you Gun is Fully Evaluated.

Please bear in mind,, that I'm not a Professional,, so naturally it will take a Whole lot's of Extra Testing to come to a Full Evaluation.

I've been a little curious about those Pump's and I would surely like to evaluate Your Friend's Gun. So Fret Not,, just Send Your Friend's Gun to me,, and I will fully Evaluate it for You and Your Friend,
Joe

PS ~ If Henry mass produced Gun's that were unsafe they would be Out of Business in a HeartBeat. All The Gun's that Henry Produce's have to meet Minimum Safety Standard's,, before they can ever be sold to the General Public.

Have Your Friend to Read the Owner's manual,, that came with the Gun,, and to Adhere to the Correct Procedure's for Operateing his Gun ~ That's My Advice. Or sell it to someone that will appreciate a Well Made FireArm.
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I volunteer my valuable time to make sure Joegun does thorough and accurate testing. Seriously, call Henry and speak to Mr. Imperato (spelling) and he will make it right if something is wrong, or correct the misconception.
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Gee, a second hand report, an unsubstantiated claim
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He tells me
and no details of a response from Henry.

This is how internet rumors get started.

If you actually have some facts, great, but conjecture is simply that, with no basis in fact. And if you do post again, make sure that Henry's side is posted, by a representative of Henry. Otherwise this is against forum rules.
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