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Old 06-13-2010, 02:06 PM
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That is interesting OGb. Our Rangers have no factory markings, while Windustsearch's Savage was built in Utica. Maybe both of ours were made there, or maybe farmed out to Fulton???
I think you may be on to something here that has been bugging me. I have a known, 1947 model 87A with 5 patent numbers and "Chicopee Falls" on the barrel. By all accounts I have read, manufacturing moved to from Utica to Chicopee Falls in late 1946. That means my 87A should be one of the first guns manufactured after the move, certainly it was produced within the first year of production.

I also have another 87A with two patent numbers and Chicopee Falls on the barrel. I do not know when this gun was originally produced or sold. So at least two barrel versions must have been produced at Chicopee Falls in the first year of production there, assuming the two patent gun preceded the five patent gun in manufacture...

But, it seems unlikely to me that they would have gone through 3 different barrel markings in the first year of manufacturing at Chicopee Falls (one patent, two patent and five patents) so I suspect that a one patent number gun would be a Uticah gun, but of course that's just a theory.

Unless of course, contrary to what I've read, they were producing some of the model 6/87's at Chicopee Falls all along before the Utica plant closed in 1946?

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Old 06-13-2010, 02:24 PM
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Unless of course, contrary to what I've read, they were producing some of the model 6/87's at Chicopee Falls all along before the Uticah plant closed in 1946?
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That's kind of what I was thinking. I'm sure there would have been a transition period from one plant to the other. Can't cease production & close the doors in Utica on Friday, move everything & start up at Chicopee Falls on Monday.
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Old 06-13-2010, 02:34 PM
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Manufacturer: Springfield Model 87A
Factory: J. Stevens Arms Company, Chicopee Falls, Mass. USA. Roll marked .22 Short, Long or Long Rifle, Long Rifle Only as Automatic (No “Greaseless” notation)
Patents: 2094577, 2224758, 2223093, RE22585, 22771576 (upside down)
Receiver and sights: Standard post and rear sights. Has a Weaver N2 mount w/4 screws and a scope. Eight gills (slots) on right side one on left. Flat plug.
Barrel: 24” Not roll marked for ammunition other than in the manufacturers roll mark.
Charging handle: 3/4" knurled and dished with grooves in the face.
Trigger mechanism: Long.
Lifter: Solid w/coiled wire spring.
Stock: Birch with a light color finish.
Trigger guard: Cast (aluminum?) recessed into stock.
Magazine: Tube fed.

The above gun was purchased new in 1947 on the day it arrived a locally owned hardware store in Robinson, IL (still a list in early '47 for civilian guns after the war).


Manufacturer: Springfield Model 87A
Factory: J. Stevens Arms Company, Chicopee Falls, Mass. USA. Roll marked .22 Short, Long or Long Rifle, Long Rifle Only as Automatic (No “Greaseless” notation)
Patents: 2094577, 2223093 (right side up)
Receiver and sights: Standard post and rear sights. D&T for a peep sight. Eight gills (slots) on right side one on left. Flat plug.
Barrel: 24” Not roll marked for ammunition other than in the manufacturers roll mark.
Charging handle: 3/4" knurled and dished with grooves in the face.
Trigger mechanism: Long.
Lifter: Solid w/coiled wire spring.
Stock: Birch with a dark colored finish and fluted cheek piece.
Trigger guard: Cast (aluminum?) recessed into stock.
Magazine: Tube fed.

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Old 06-13-2010, 02:42 PM
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That's kind of what I was thinking. I'm sure there would have been a transition period from one plant to the other. Can't cease production & close the doors in Utica on Friday, move everything & start up at Chicopee Falls on Monday.
It's going to be interesting to see all the markings and variations show up on this post. I think it may give us some good clues to the answer to this question and many others as more people post their info.
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Old 06-13-2010, 03:06 PM
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rsv1mos,
No gills on the 6DL?
Yes, Funny ones.....

I have been counting the number of "ribs" in the gills, other's have been counting the openings. I think you want the openings? In that case the 6DL has two on the left one on the right. I will fix all of mine to reflect that standard.



Check-out that nifty feed throat, the receiver plug wasn't the only thing they "streamlined".

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Old 06-13-2010, 03:18 PM
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Ok, Now I have it, sometimes you guys have to pound facts into my thick head. I thought Savage started in Chicopee Falls not Utica N.Y.

Got it now.

http://www.savagearms.com/history/
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Old 06-13-2010, 03:23 PM
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I think you want the openings?
Yes Sir.
Thanks for the info. I kind 'o figured that's what was happening.
Sorry for the faux pas & not being more specific .
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Old 06-13-2010, 03:24 PM
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Pick, I like that "knurled and dished" description for the charging handle, I have one coming that way. The one I have now is flat and plain, something like my girlfriend in high school.....
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Old 06-13-2010, 03:30 PM
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OldGunbunny,
I'm putting all this into an Excel spreadsheet & I'm listing any non-factory marked as "unknown" until we can sort this out.
You have courage. My head is spinning just putting four together.

But go for it, looking forward to the results.
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Old 06-13-2010, 03:36 PM
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The one I have now is flat and plain, something like my girlfriend in high school.....
The truth comes out...Bob likes a knarly dish
I 'gonna retreat from the fray for a time since it probably won't be long 'till the breathalizer locks me out of the computer.
(Have to do something to counteract the two pots of early morning coffee.)

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Old 06-13-2010, 05:13 PM
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The truth comes out...Bob likes a knarly dish
I was going to ask him if they had high schools, back in the day...
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Old 06-13-2010, 05:27 PM
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I was going to ask him if they had high schools, back in the day...
We called them "Consolidated's", grade and high schools in one building. Small towns in New Hampshire.

Hey, My Mom fresh out of teacher's college taught grades 1 thru 6 in a one room school house. Not kidding, a little red school house at that.
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Old 06-13-2010, 07:37 PM
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Manufacturer: Savage Model 6
Factory: Utica
Patents: 2094577 OTHERS PENDING
Receiver and sights: round plug, no gills and obround ejection port and fixed rectangular bumper, standard sights with early style rear with screwed on dovetail, D&T for scope,
Barrel: 24, “CAL. 22 LONG RIFLE SMOKLESS GREASED ONLY”
Charging handle: large dia. Flat face.
Trigger mechanism: short
Lifter: wire with odd shaped flat spring, other parts have been changed to newer versions
Stock: walnut, plain
Trigger guard: formed sheetmetal, not inletted
Magazine: tube with aluminun replacement inner.

Manufacturer: Savage Model 602
Factory: Utica
Patents: 2094577 OTHERS PENDING
Receiver and sights: Round plug, gills – 1R & 7L (openings), ejection port is 3/16 shorter than a 6A and the action has a shorted stroke, barrel pins close together, standard sights
Barrel: 24, 22 SHORT SMOKLESS GREASED ONLY
Charging handle: light weigh, dished out.
Trigger mechanism: long
Lifter: solid, special version for short with longer ears because it sits farther forward
Stock: walnut, checkered (recoil pad added by previous owner to soften blow with high speed shorts)
Trigger guard: cast, inletted, rear above wood
Magazine: tube

Manufacturer: Savage Model 6A
Factory: Utica
Patents: 2094577, 2223093
Receiver and sights. round plug, gills – 1R & 8L (openings), standard sights, D&T for scope
Barrel: 23, ".22 Short Long Or Long Rifle Long Rifle Only As Automatic”
Charging handle: large grooved dia.
Trigger mechanism: long
Lifter: solid
Stock: walnut, checkered
Trigger guard: cast, inletted, rear is below wood
Magazine: tube

Manufacturer: Savage Model 7 (7S, special sight set)
Factory: Utica
Patents: 2094577 OTHERS PENDING
Receiver and sights: round plug, gills – 1R & 8L (openings), D&T for scope, barrel pins close together, early special sight set with No 100 hooded front with inserts, No 19 folding windage rear and No. 105A receiver sight.
Barrel: 24
Charging handle: large grooved dia.
Trigger mechanism: long
Lifter: N/A
Stock: walnut, checkered
Trigger guard: cast, inletted, rear above wood
Magazine: removable box, 5 or 10 shot






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Old 06-13-2010, 07:54 PM
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Wonderful collection Sav, and thanks for posting those pictures. It will take me a while to digest them..

I had forgotten to mention that unspringed buffer block on mine, will have to add it.

Wow, a 602 in short only, nice find. I get a kick out of the recoil pad.

Looks like you keep them in "as found" condition. Not a bad policy as long as you keep the tin worm away.

An education on the sights too. Utica guns too, you must live right.

I have a Western Field model 58 (Savage model 7) box magazine rifle coming.
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Old 06-13-2010, 08:17 PM
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The one I have also has the fixed rectangular bumper.
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