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If you are not breaking any laws dispatching said pests then go R7/R9 and have a fine shooter for your grandson.
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Ya make a decision/purchase yet?
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Dual Backyard Problems: From Sparrows to Feral Cats

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Ya make a decision/purchase yet?
Well, I had made a decision - Daisy 853C, HW30S, HW35E, HW97K.
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Guess not
Or, at least I thought so.
Until my wife became adamant about trespassing cats.
And, I have became more mindful of how attention getting BB gun noise can be.
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Moreover, a past problem has reared its ugly head ... once again ... on our property.
I continue to have a feral cat problem.

By the way, this orange cat is a successful graduate of the trap and douse technique.
I haven't seen him in our backyard in over a year - belongs to my neighor across the alley.
They're killing my birds and using the compost I generate as a litter box.
.................................................. Caution: GRAPHIC .....................................................

My Daisy Red Ryder along with trapping and dousing with cold water have not been enough.
Moreover, the cats have learned to avoid the trap regardless of how enticing the bait may be.

My wife has observed one cat in particular stalking our purple martins in their house.
And, on occasion I've seen a male sparrow lurking in and out of a martin house compartment.

Recently, as a consequence of the cat traffic, I believe my dogs may have contracted a skin fungus - ring worm.
At least our Vet thinks it is a real possibility that the cats are the source of the fungus.

But, worse of all, some of our youngster house finches seem to be clueless about cats - or our Pekingese.

So, my initial pellet rifle selection has shifted priority from eradicating sparrows to neutralizing feral cats - quietly.
Actually, I'll be contending with both ... pest birds and feral felines ... with some low sound signature airguns.

In my situation quietness and/or moderation are paramount.
As such, these are the airguns I'm seriously considering:
Weihraush HW25L .177 - sparrows at feeder, 12 meters and less.
Cometa 400 Compact Star .22 - Eurasian dove, grackle, rock dove, pigeons
and other invasive birds at feeder or within backyard.
Cometa Fusion Premeir Star .25 - feral cats and other fur bearing pest animals within the backyard.
Air Arms TX200 MkIII .177 Standard (12fp) - long range sniping for sparrow and other pest birds
beyond the bounds of my backyard where a stand of trees on a vacant lot will serve as a backstop.
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Trap and douse in a large garbage can full of water..... for about 10 minutes. They won't come back. Works great for raccoons. Or cover the trap with a tarp and run a hose to the exhaust pipe of your car. They won't come back. This one works great for skunks.
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Well, I had made a decision - Daisy 853C, HW30S, HW35E, HW97K.

Or, at least I thought so.
Until my wife became adamant about trespassing cats.
And, I have became more mindful of how attention getting BB gun noise can be.

Moreover, a past problem has reared its ugly head ... once again ... on our property.
I continue to have a feral cat problem.

By the way, this orange cat is a successful graduate of the trap and douse technique.
I haven't seen him in our backyard in over a year - belongs to my neighor across the alley.
They're killing my birds and using the compost I generate as a litter box.
.................................................. Caution: GRAPHIC .....................................................

My Daisy Red Ryder along with trapping and dousing with cold water have not been enough.
Moreover, the cats have learned to avoid the trap regardless of how enticing the bait may be.

My wife has observed one cat in particular stalking our purple martins in their house.
And, on occasion I've seen a male sparrow lurking in and out of a martin house compartment.

Recently, as a consequence of the cat traffic, I believe my dogs may have contracted a skin fungus - ring worm.
At least our Vet thinks it is a real possibility that the cats are the source of the fungus.

But, worse of all, some of our youngster house finches seem to be clueless about cats - or our Pekingese.

So, my initial pellet rifle selection has shifted priority from eradicating sparrows to neutralizing feral cats - quietly.
Actually, I'll be contending with both ... pest birds and feral felines ... with some low sound signature airguns.

In my situation quietness and/or moderation are paramount.
As such, these are the airguns I'm seriously considering:
Weihraush HW25L .177 - sparrows at feeder, 12 meters and less.
Cometa 400 Compact Star .22 - Eurasian dove, grackle, rock dove, pigeons
and other invasive birds at feeder or within backyard.
Cometa Fusion Premeir Star .25 - feral cats and other fur bearing pest animals within the backyard.
Air Arms TX200 MkIII .177 Standard (12fp) - long range sniping for sparrow and other pest birds
beyond the bounds of my backyard where a stand of trees on a vacant lot will serve as a backstop.
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Couple of thoughts from a long time air gunner.

First, of the selection you put forward, I'd vote the TX200 hands down for quality and accuracy. That said, if your looking to take out cat's cleanly, I'd want more than 12ft-lbs of ME and I'd want a bigger cal than .177. IMHO, you should be looking at a .22 cal rated in the 900-1000 fps range.
You also mentioned you wanted quiet, something PCP's arn't unless you moderate them.

You might look at the Crosman/Remington/Benjamin Nitro /NP/NPSS offerings. Several models have a shrouded barrel that does make the rifle quiet. Stoeger also makes a full supressed model (x20S) . All these models will deliver an honest 16 ft-lbs of ME and have a managable cocking force. ( THe Stoeger actually is VERY easy to [email protected]# and claims to be the quietest.) I'm waiting on my sound decible meter in order to run comparison tests soon.

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Old 08-01-2011, 01:03 PM
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Benjamin Marauder will take care of your feral cats, and its real quiet.

They were once plentiful around my area as well, but no more. I have had to removed 3 feral dogs this year as well, but they needed a bit more gun to do the job.
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Big Medicine: VORTEK Custom Tuned Diana M48 .25 Cal

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So, my initial pellet rifle selection has shifted priority from eradicating sparrows to neutralizing feral cats - quietly.
Unfortunately, the feral/stray cat problem has taken priority.
The final straw ... besides the incessant nagging of my wife ... I found the remains of what I believe is a Mockingbird
by the east side of our home.
.................................................. Caution: GRAPHIC ..................................................

Note only the head, wings and some feathers remain ... entire mid-section is missing.
Most likely a subsistence kill ... not done for sport.
Backyard Pests: Feral Cats and Other Fur-bearing Varmints
Solution: VORTEK Tuned Diana Model 48 .25 Caliber
As such, I just finished finalizing the deal for a 3rd-hand VORTEK Custom tuned .25 cal Diana M48.
And, I am happy camper.
She should be in-route in the next day or so.

The following photos taken by the former owner clinched the deal:


Hawke 4-12x40 Air Max EV with Map 6 Reticle
1-inch, 1-piece, Medium Height, RWS Lock-Down Drooper Mount




Muzzle Mack Brake - installed by 2nd owner


RWS, Hawke and VORTEK Documentation


BEFORE Velocity: Factory Stock State & AFTER Velocity: VORTEK Tune ... kinda says it all

For performance and quietness the tuner replaced the OEM spring and seal with a Vortek PG2 kit.
In-addition, I'm considering installing a slip-on moderator of the type Neil Clague fabricates.

Zero Group at 12.3 yards as indicated by ChairPro.

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Old 01-03-2012, 09:28 PM
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I just got a 46M. This post makes me want to order up some sparrows.
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12-Meter Sparrow Medicine ... Diana 240 Schütze

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Ya make a decision/purchase yet?
Yes, I did.
Happened to come across a Diana 240 ... by pure luck.
It was too good of a deal to pass-up.
Nearly new, professionally tuned for $170.00 - what a bargain.

John in PA had tuned this Schütze for his wife - no less.
Unfortunately for John, his wife began to covet a Crosman pistol he had converted to a carbine - for himself.

John in PA wife's 240 on the tuning bench ... now, mine.
FS - RWS Schutze
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So heres a brand new Schutze that I tore down,
Buttoned the piston,
Replaced the seal with a Macarri Hornet seal and did a trigger tune.
Really does have a nice firing cycle,cocks easy and fires Falcon 7.3 gr at 500 fps.
Trigger is set at a clean breaking one pound right now but can be adjusted higher.
Did I mention, my 240 comes standard with an adjustable T05 trigger.
It is a two-stage unit that that has a long 1st-stage with a soft set and a 2 lb final let-off.
Not exactly a military style two-stage trigger which I prefer.
But, more than adequate considering the cost constraints of an entry-level air gun and the design limitations
of the T05 trigger unit.

Initially, I had decided on an HW25L for sparrow suppression at the bird feeder.
However, it is a very small rifle ... too small - I think.
And, out-of-the-box it comes with a heavy single-stage trigger.

The Diana Schütze solves all of these issues.
It is more adult-sized.
But, most important to me ... it comes with a superior 2-stage trigger.
Moreover, it costs less and was professionally tuned - to boot.
What's not to like?

27 Jan 2012 ... This afternoon I was casually shooting my 240 in the backyard.
This time I was concentrating on the report of my air rifle.

Two sounds seem to predominate ... a tahat from the muzzle.
Instantaneously followed by an inseparable unk from the action that persists and ends
with an almost imperceivable ting.
Nothing objectionable at all.
A ghost-like ting that's almost endearing to me.
Reminds me of the ... very subdued ... latent ring I occasionally have the impression
of perceiving after firing a rimfire rifle.

However, when shooting up towards the top of our pecan tree.
This keeps the report from reflecting off the privacy fence.
In this firing scenario, a solid subdued tunnk is all I can hear and feel - very nice.

In fact, I'm more comfortable with the noise produced by the 240, than the report of my Red Ryder.
Backyard friendly ... for certain.

Reference: My Diana 240 Schütze ... Tuned by John in PA
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Sparrow Medicine for Beyond 12-Meters ... BSA Lighting XL .177

What about sparrows that present themselves beyond 12-meters?
Well, I've found a cost-effective solution.
I was able to find a BSA Lightning XL .177 in better-than-excellent condition.
Once again, by pure luck, I can across a like-new example.
BSA Lightning XL .177

If you have followed this thread, it shouldn't ba a secret that I've admired the Lightning series for quite sometime.
However, I also felt, all-a-long, that an XL was really too powerful for my specific applications.
But, I think I have a practical solution.
My XL is going to Airgunwerks for the installation of a Theoben gas strut.

According to my discussions with Mr. David Slade, a replacement strut is engineered to produce 12-fps energy.
Moreover, it somewhat tunable ... a 10-fpe strut might be a near perfect power match for my purposes.
Essentially duplicating an HW50S in performance.

With the added bonus of being factory moderated.
Moreover, the Theoben gas strut should further reduce the noise factor.
As Charlie Sheen might say ... a win-win modification.

Reference: My BSA Lightning XL .177 Beech Stock
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Big Medicine for Bigger Birds ... BSA Lightning XL, .22 Cal, Factory Walnut Stock

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I ... did
And, YES ... I, finally, made another decision.
Probably the best decision ... so far - I think.

I came across a Lightning XL in .22 caliber.
Nothing special ... you're thinking.
BSA Lightning XL, .22 Caliber, Theoben Gas Strut Conversion, Factory Walnut Stock

But, this particular XL came with a factory walnut.
The trigger has been professionally tuned.
And, most surprising of all ... a Theoben gas strut conversion has been performed
by Mr. David Slade of Airgunwerk.
How is this for pure luck!!!

The gas strut should be a 12-fpe unit.
According to Airgunwerks, all the gas strut conversions are 12-fpe units.
This is less power than the factory metallic spring produces ... 14-fpe, 665-fps.

And, if you have a closer look at the first photo ... you'll note the original factory spring - upper right end.
I can revert to a metallic spring - if I so chose.
In a way, I can have my British walnut cake ... and, eat it - too.

However, for my purposes ... a U.K. spec Lightning will work-out just fine.
My backyard encompasses a perimeter that allows for a longest-shot of less than 25-yards.
Within the confines of my property, a 12-fpe .22 will be almost perfect for humanly dispatching
eurasian dove, grackles and the occasional pigeon.

Reference: My BSA Lightning XL, .22 Caliber, Factory Walnut Stock, Theoben Gas Strut Conversion
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I have to agree with the IZH 46. I have one and it will drop small birds without noise and is perfectly accurate. A more viable option would be a Feinwerkbau S300 target rifle. It's a springer but recoilless. Literally no noise and you won't need a scope. The open sights are good to 40 yards but you can mount a scope. They can be purchased in fair condition for around $500. I happen to have one for sale in mint condition for $700 with highly figured walnut. You'll never miss another sparrow with an S300.
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When I was a kid ... so did I - including mice, lizards, large grasshoppers,
_ wasp, spiders, cicadas, beetles, snails ... ad infinitum.
I was much smaller, very limber and sneaky.
But, my BB gun was not a Red Ryder.

I owned a similar Daisy model - can't remember the designation.
A step above the Model 105 - if I remember correctly.
Then, I bought a Daisy Model 1894.
And, later a Model 25.

All my life I've held the impression my old BB guns were reasonably accurate.
How else to explain why so many sparrows fall prey to my Daisy rifles.
I guess ... being stealthy helped more than I thought.
I've maybe so many bird kills with my Red Ryder (and my big Bro with his wood stock 95) bb gun too. We contribute it to shooting hundreds of bbs a week. We'd burn threw a box of bbs in no time. We shot so much that we knew where the bb was going everytime (without thinking about it at that age)
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