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Old 07-23-2006, 09:40 PM
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Hi All,

Can anyone tell me if you must remove The red dot sight whenever you field strip/clean the pistol and will the red dot need to be re-zeroed each time the pistol is cleaned? If so, are there Buck mark models or mount choices to prevent having to do that?

I am thinking of getting a 1995 Buck Mark Standard but want to make sure there isn't anything I am overlooking.

Thanks for your help!
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Old 07-23-2006, 10:14 PM
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You will have to rezero, but it should not be off by more than a click or two.
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Old 07-23-2006, 10:20 PM
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Any Buck Mark with the factory rib or the full-length aftermarket rib would be a good choice. Even the best short ribs can be a tad off after reinstalling the barrel. Best bet is a full rib with the rings kept over the barrel............chim
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Old 07-23-2006, 10:20 PM
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Hi Neeande,

I too have run across the same problem when considering mounting optics. The first thing to keep in mind is that I have heard from several sources that the buckmark does not need to be broken down/field srtipped until approx. 400-500 rounds have been shot through it. Although I think this point is arguable to most people, I would at the very least clean the breach face and bore after every shooting session. To be honest, I break mine down after every shooting session (200-250 rounds), but that is because I may go overboard when it comes to gun cleaning. Truth be told, this is probably a little excessive .

But now to answer your question I have only come across two solutions:

1. Buy a pair of quick release rings. Although I am unfamiliar with these rings, I do believe that they facilitate the quick removal of the optic as the name implies. With this method, you would still most likely need to re-zero after each break-down.

2. The second solution may seem a bit unique and please note that I have not done this myself. But, I have always wondered if someone could cut or grind the short leg of the allen wrench provided so that it would fit underneath the optics and still be used for loosening the screws. This way, you could loosen the screws and remove them with your fingers the rest of the way while keeping the optic mounted. But, you may run into several problems here, first make sure that the screw in back (the longer one) can be installed/removed while the optic is in place. If the optic sits too low for this, then this solution would not work at all. The next point to watch out for would be to make sure the shortened allen wrech-leg is squared-up correctly after it has been cut/grinded. Although this solution may seem a little excessive, I think that if it worked, you would most likely never have to remove the optics during cleaning.

I really hope this helps out somewhat and you find what you're looking for

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Old 07-24-2006, 03:41 PM
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Thanks Guy,

I appreciate all the information!

Hi Chim,

Do you know who might make the full-length aftermarket rib, you mentioned Tactical Solutions having a nice rib in another thread, would that be full size?

Also which Buck Marks come with the Factory rib and can they be found in the older pre-plastic Buck Marks?

Hi CDM,

I'm sort of an all thumbs type, never been the best at DIY stuff. One of the reasons I want the 22 is that I had some extensive hand surgery and 22 target shooting will work as some of my physical therapy (and be a lot more fun than the regular hand exercises I have been needing to do).

Thanks for all the help!!!
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Old 07-24-2006, 04:18 PM
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TacSol makes what I consider the best "short" rib. I believe B-Square is the only one to offer the full-length rib, and I don't think they list it anymore.

The 5.5 Target, 5.5 Field, Varmint and Silhouette were offered prior to the plastic firing pin guide. Browning had discontinued the Varmint and Silhouette, probably before the plastic guide.

I bought a Contour last Winter. and it has the same type of rib as the 5.5 Target and 5.5 Field models. It does lack the OT screw in the trigger.

To kinda expand on what CDM said, it's pretty simple to keep the optics mounted on a Buck Mark with the long rib. That's why I prefer them. Just keep optics forward enough so the rearmost screw isn't blocked. No need to cut down an allen wrench...............chim
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Old 07-24-2006, 05:52 PM
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Hi Chim,

I haven't been able to locate a full-length rib yet. I'm a little concerned about getting the pistol and not being able to find the long rib.

I have talked to two FFL dealers and the best I can figure is the 1995 Buck Mark Standard that starts out at $260.00 will cost $450.00 or more after the FFL dealer fee ($110) plus California fees and taxes.

Think this is a good deal or am I better off with the new target model with plastic sleeve pin but built in mount (the 1995 is supposed to be in as new condition)? I read in another thread, I think it was you stating that it was best to use a dental pick to get at the firing pin. It sounded a bit intimidating to a non-tech type like me...

Thanks
Ernie
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Old 07-24-2006, 06:08 PM
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I have a Hakko panaramic dot sight on mine and it is short enough to fit between the two top mount screws.The are several similiar sights but stay away from the Sportsmans Guide version.It just falls apart. It stays on the top plate when I remove it to clean and if it needs rezeroeing it's just 1-2 clicks. See this ebay listing as an example(I know nothing of this seller)
http://cgi.ebay.com/4-patterns-refle...QQcmdZViewItem
Good luck
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I have a Hakko panaramic dot sight on mine and it is short enough to fit between the two top mount screws.The are several similiar sights but stay away from the Sportsmans Guide version.It just falls apart. It stays on the top plate when I remove it to clean and if it needs rezeroeing it's just 1-2 clicks. See this ebay listing as an example(I know nothing of this seller)
http://cgi.ebay.com/4-patterns-refle...QQcmdZViewItem
Good luck
This isn't a Hakko sight. It is a Hakko copy which may not be of the same quality. I use the Hakko sight on my Challenger and S&W 41 because they are great sights.
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I have a Hakko panaramic dot sight on mine and it is short enough to fit between the two top mount screws.The are several similiar sights but stay away from the Sportsmans Guide version.It just falls apart. It stays on the top plate when I remove it to clean and if it needs rezeroeing it's just 1-2 clicks. See this ebay listing as an example(I know nothing of this seller)
http://cgi.ebay.com/4-patterns-refle...QQcmdZViewItem
Good luck
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...B/DSC00515.jpg

The Challenger is nice because you don't have to mess with the sight to remove the barrel.
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$450 for an 11 year old buckmark???

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Hi Chim,

I haven't been able to locate a full-length rib yet. I'm a little concerned about getting the pistol and not being able to find the long rib.

I have talked to two FFL dealers and the best I can figure is the 1995 Buck Mark Standard that starts out at $260.00 will cost $450.00 or more after the FFL dealer fee ($110) plus California fees and taxes.

Think this is a good deal or am I better off with the new target model with plastic sleeve pin but built in mount (the 1995 is supposed to be in as new condition)? I read in another thread, I think it was you stating that it was best to use a dental pick to get at the firing pin. It sounded a bit intimidating to a non-tech type like me...

Thanks
Ernie
neeande,

would you mind breaking down the numbers so i can BEGIN to understand how you ended up with $450??? is the gun coming from out of state?

why not find a new BM Std. from a dealer and then call Browning to order the "older" style slide ($48) that's all metal (no plastic insert)? only thing with the older slide is that it won't have the "ears" like the new ones do. you might break even by selling your new slide either here on RFC or ebay.

don't know what part of cali you're in, but $110 for ffl transfer fee sounds a tad bit high. here in socal, $75 is average and often includes the $19 DROS fee. the only ones that i know charge that much is turners outdoorsman.

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Old 07-24-2006, 10:59 PM
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neeande,

would you mind breaking down the numbers so i can BEGIN to understand how you ended up with $450??? is the gun coming from out of state?

why not find a new BM Std. from a dealer and then call Browning to order the "older" style slide ($48) that's all metal (no plastic insert)? only thing with the older slide is that it won't have the "ears" like the new ones do. you might break even by selling your new slide either here on RFC or ebay.

don't know what part of cali you're in, but $110 for ffl transfer fee sounds a tad bit high. here in socal, $75 is average and often includes the $19 DROS fee. the only ones that i know charge that much is turners outdoorsman.

-rusty22
Hi rusty22,

The gun is comins from out of state.

I found a listing of FFL dealers on the web and called one close by, it was a target range that gave me a phone# for Gun World. I was quoted $110.00 + taxes and any fees. I asked how high could it total up to be and he said maybe $200.00. I thought I was being optimistic at $450.00

I called Turners after seeing your post tonight and they said $75.00 and a Calif. fee of $30, so $105.00 but the guy I talked to didn't think I would be able to bring a 1995 pistol into California. He had me check out a DOJ Roster of Certified Firearms web site and they didn't have dates by the guns.

So your idea is sounding very good at the moment!

My luck (except for the this forum) hasn't been very good today. I called Browning to ask some questions and they are closed today for a state holiday and the store I tried first was King's Gun Works but they didn't answer the phone.

I haven't bought a gun since probably the late 70's, had a High Standard that I stupidly sold in the mid 70's to get something else I wanted at the time.

I had hand surgery and decided, with doctor approval, that I wanted a 22 to shoot targets, maybe Bullseye. Finding this forum and a thread called Buckmark Porn as well of a thread of Ruger Mark I, II, and III pix sent my wanting over the top. Therefore the sorry neurotic state I've come to be in!

Please let me know when I've used up my quota of questions and I'll stop...

I really am grateful for everyones help, Thanks!
Ernie
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Old 07-25-2006, 06:50 AM
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Ernie, availability of the full rib might be a problem. That "dealer's fee" seems pretty high. What would it cost you to get a Cali-approved model with a factory rib? I have a feeling you would like the balance better anyway.

I only have one Buck Mark with the plastic insert slide. It has worked just fine for me, and it wouldn't scare me away from a gun. This particular gun also has a mag disconnect that I made go away.

There is no question quota. Ask away. There are a lot of helpful people here........chim
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Old 07-27-2006, 12:09 AM
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Hi Guys,

California doesn't allow me to bring in the Buck Mark Standard 95'. So I have some more questions.

Chim,
I went to a local gun store and checked out the Standard slabside, thought it balanced well but they only had that one model and the other store I called only had the Standard model also. They had two Ruger MarkIII's that I also checked out, the Gov. Competition was a bit heavy for me, but the 5.5 bull barrel seemed to balance well, but I really do prefer the looks of the Buck Marks. Do you think the Browning's and Ruger's are equally accurate?

Which Buck Mark w/factory rib did you thing might balance better. I went to the Browning site and looked at their choices, Field and Target w/5.5" bull barrel, Bullseye Target SS w/7.25" fluted bull, Hunter w/7.25" tapered round bull, FLD Plus w/5.5" slabside. Do you think these models are equally accurate? I checked the Buckmark Porn thread; your photos no longer show up. You mentioned the Contour, which other models do you have?

M2HB, cstuard, anybody,
I checked the Hakko Panoramic on the web, what are the positives and negatives of a red dot that doesn't have a tube shaped scope?

rusty22,
Any recommendations of gun stores in Southern Cal? The store I used most, B&B Sales, isn't around anymore.

I have $650.00 to spend and want it to include a red dot, my eyes aren't what they used to be. So if one model is as accurate as the next, I would like to go with the least expensive, as long as it balances well. I can pick up the customized grips later when I save up some extra cash.

Thanks again for all your help!
Ernie
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Hi Guys,

California doesn't allow me to bring in the Buck Mark Standard 95'. So I have some more questions.
Man Ernie, I knew it was bad but I obviously haven't kept up on the Republic of Kalifornia's laws....OUCH! That is sooo crazy and sooo expensive. Anyway...

I will admit I know little of the latest developments and the plastic parts of the Buckmarks; I only know the older ones a bit. That said, I posted most of this recently in a different thread but maybe this will be helpful to you. About 12 years ago, I went through a few different models of Buckmarks until got a "5.5 Field" has the scope rail, very ergonomic and comfortable walnut contoured factory grips, adjustable sights and adjustable trigger with the full heavy barrel. I loved it so much that I just recently bought another off a fellow RFC'er except this one is a "5.5 Target". What is nice on these grips is the thumb rest not rally shown on the factory photos but kind of visible on the smaller photo.

FS: Browning Buckmark 5.5 Target

5.5 Target (Identical to the "5.5 Field" except has sight hoods...no other differences.)


5.5 Field


I think there is very little difference in accuracy in these ones and the standard models...it's just, nicer, better adaptable and easier to be accurate with. For me the is balance better.

On the Rugers, I think accuracy is very similar but as handguns are such a personal fit and feel...they just never fit or felt right in my hand. Nothing against them...just that they didn't work for me. Same went for a Glock 22 I once owned...and sold shortly there after.

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