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Old 12-23-2018, 07:24 AM
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PPQ22 , 12 vs 10 round mag internals?



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Does anyone know how the internals of each mag compare? Is it possible to convert a 12 to 10 round mag with mods/parts? I have the opportunity to get some 12 round mags cheap but need 10 for the places I shoot. ( NO, I can't just load 10.) Any advice or pictures greatly appreciated.
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Old 12-23-2018, 10:56 AM
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I'm not familiar with these specific mags but in just about all mags a taller follower will limit the number of rounds you can install. You would want to do this on the bottom of the follower. Devise some sort of plug that limits downward travel of the follower without interfering with the spring. You might be able to obtain spare followers, cut off the amount needed and glue or screw it to the bottom of the existing followers. Perhaps something as simple as a wood dowel fitted inside of the spring and below the follower might solve the overcapacity issue. OF might have some ideas. 1917
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Old 12-23-2018, 06:29 PM
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Thanks, that is (all ) what I'm thinking. It shouldn't be hard to cure with a little ingenuity but I'm wondering if I can just buy followers rather than alter the originals. . (So far, no reply from Walther.).
What I'd love to see is a side by side comparison of the 10 and 12 round internals. The engineer in me is curious.
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Old 12-24-2018, 12:42 PM
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https://1drv.ms/u/s!ArlWGcFYuZQ4kiAEJ6E3JIwdibaT

This is what's inside a 10 round PPQ .22lr magazine, it is hot glued in, and the mag base is glued also. You will not get these fron Walther, however Taylor Tactical has them, and you can install in your own mags to reduce capacity. Unless they are glued shut, not legal in 10 round limit states.

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Old 12-24-2018, 10:14 PM
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This is what's inside a 10 round PPQ .22lr magazine, it is hot glued in, and the mag base is glued also. You will not get these fron Walther, however Taylor Tactical has them, and you can install in your own mags to reduce capacity. Unless they are glued shut, not legal in 10 round limit states.
Thanks much! Just the info I was looking for.
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Old 12-25-2018, 01:42 PM
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I have a number of whacked up P22 followers. If they are similar in size I'd be glad to throw you some in the mail, you can sand or cut to the right angle and glue them on the bottom of your mags. I have no use for them. I'll put up a photo and dimensions if it will help. Bet they aren't that much different size wize. Plugs are legal in shotguns...should be legal in a pistol especially if glued to teh bottom of the existing follower. 1917
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Old 12-25-2018, 01:55 PM
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The Carl-Walther part number for the actual spacers is 517.601.03.1

But I doubt you'll find them, looks like the taylor-tactical ones, (actually for the Colt 1911-22) are out of stock too. Maybe just have to order some 10 rounder mags from walther or ebay, and bite the cost.
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Old 12-25-2018, 01:58 PM
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Personally, other than polishing feed ramps and internal parts for smoother operation, I don't do any non-reversable mods on my guns. I buy extra parts to do the mods to, and can put all back to factory at any time if needed.
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Happy New Year! 1917

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Old 12-28-2018, 05:38 PM
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I have a number of whacked up P22 followers. If they are similar in size I'd be glad to throw you some in the mail, you can sand or cut to the right angle and glue them on the bottom of your mags. I have no use for them. I'll put up a photo and dimensions if it will help. Bet they aren't that much different size wize. Plugs are legal in shotguns...should be legal in a pistol especially if glued to teh bottom of the existing follower. 1917
Thank you Sir! Very kind offer. I have a couple of 10 round mags coming in this week. I'll take a look at them (and maybe compare them to a P22 mag at teh shop I work at.) If I can get them to work, I'd be happy to to take your followers. Let me see what I find out.

Oddly, CS at Walther responded to my email and said that the 10 round mag uses the same internals as the 12 rounder but the mag body itself is pinched. I'm looking at pictures and don't see it. I guess I'll know shortly!
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Old 12-28-2018, 05:41 PM
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Thanks to the rest of you for your detailed info as well. I'll keep you posted (and maybe post some pictures) once my new mags come in . I'm hopeful to get an d cure the 12's if I can. ( Still aggravates me that I need too though) Hoping to have them in a day or two.
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Old 12-28-2018, 10:14 PM
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This is what's inside a 10 round PPQ .22lr magazine, it is hot glued in, and the mag base is glued also. You will not get these fron Walther, however Taylor Tactical has them, and you can install in your own mags to reduce capacity. Unless they are glued shut, not legal in 10 round limit states.
Found the parts at Taylor Tactical. (CHEAP!) Wish I was converting the other way to 15 rounds but...
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Old 12-29-2018, 10:21 AM
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Oddly, CS at Walther responded to my email and said that the 10 round mag uses the same internals as the 12 rounder but the mag body itself is pinched. I'm looking at pictures and don't see it. I guess I'll know shortly!
I wouldn't doubt that, might be possible to pinch in the 12 round mags yourself ( a punch) but it would certainly have to be done in a manner that would not allow the follower to jam against the pinched area. I think I will go down and rummage around in the parts bags and see what I have....put up a photo. There have been all kinds of mods to the P22 mags. I have one someone sent me that holds 15 rounds ( that requires modifying everything) and simply lowering the hole for the follower button one round lower allows 11 rounds to be installed but I recommend leaving them alone.

I can see your issue of a ten round limit to meet requirements of the law. Should be an easy fix. I don't know about that Taylor Tactical fix.....3d printing should create any follower a person might need. 1917
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Old 12-29-2018, 11:00 AM
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Are the 12+ rounders allowed in your state/city, or is it just the ranges policy?
I wouldn't pinch the 12's body. Better to keep them as is and just buy a couple of 10's.
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Old 12-29-2018, 06:37 PM
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I shoot in two states. One allows them. One doesn't. Since I only load 10 rounds anyway, I'd just as soon make sure I stay out of trouble.

So that said, I got the 10 rounders in last night. They are NOT pinched as CS told me (twice.). I'm not sure what they were thinking but there is no pinching. In fact, other than part number, the mags appear identical. What is different is that the 10 rounders have a glued on base and (I can just get a glimpse of it inside) metal spacer between the base plate and follower. ( See the good info in Post #4 above.)
I'm going to get and mod the 12's by installing the spacer ( @$2ea w free shipping) That will give me six uniform (and legal anywhere) mags. I have to think that this pistol is going to see some extensive use!


p.s. For those owning the PPQ 22. , What mag loader do you find to work? Seems my Hiljack (and similar) loaders are too small to fit these mags.

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